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Well, i guess its time for me to put Galio aside for a bit and start WHOOPING SOME RANKED ASS WITH NORTHERN FRONT SWAIN and/or HILLBILLY GRAGAS
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On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E.
D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output.
Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun).
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On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun).
except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps.
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On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps.
No one said you can't get both.
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Gragas mid / Jax top are the champs I carry myself in solo Q.
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On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both.
Not to sound too snobbish or whatever, but it's inefficient. The Sheen proc is nice, but her base AD is bad (54 @1, +2.75 per level), and the stats on Sheen otherwise are useless for her. She gets nothing from AP and uses no mana. At max level, yeah the proc will give you 100 more damage per proc, but that's 1260g that could have gone anywhere else and been more effective. Bruta, Phage, and BFS are more bang for your buck damage wise by a long shot.
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On September 17 2011 00:31 Craton wrote:
Those 4 people in the top 100 with under 100 ranked games are just fuckin' everything up, man.
Like you're saying, in the long run it doesn't matter. It's just strange that this "reset" isn't an actual reset. I feel dirty saying this but WoW's season resets made a lot more sense - everyone got set back to the same rating, accelerated gains were turned on, and the best players consistently rose to the top. Hell, I played a few different classes over 6 seasons and my final rating was consistently within the same 100 point band.
So is it all moot? Sure. Either way I'll end up at whatever Elo I deserve to be at. Doesn't make the system any less bizarre though.
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On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both.
She has 0 AP ratios
She has 0 mana
She has low base AD (sheen/triforce use base AD value)
She has a passive that works like sheen but actually scales with AD. Meaning, it's a sheen proc that scales with AD items
Build AD not sheen.
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On September 17 2011 01:19 Bluebush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 00:31 Craton wrote:
Those 4 people in the top 100 with under 100 ranked games are just fuckin' everything up, man. Like you're saying, in the long run it doesn't matter. It's just strange that this "reset" isn't an actual reset. I feel dirty saying this but WoW's season resets made a lot more sense - everyone got set back to the same rating, accelerated gains were turned on, and the best players consistently rose to the top. Hell, I played a few different classes over 6 seasons and my final rating was consistently within the same 100 point band. So is it all moot? Sure. Either way I'll end up at whatever Elo I deserve to be at. Doesn't make the system any less bizarre though.
Except they really didn't, because WoW used your matchmaking rating to determine who you fought, which never reset. WoW didn't have accelerated gains. When your MMR was significantly different from your team rating, win and loss amounts were heavily skewed for your team rating, but your MMR rating moved at the same pace always.
WoW resets were a joke because everyone would just instantly shoot back to high rating thanks to the flawed gains/losses when the two ratings were so disparate.
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On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both.
any other ad item is better than it, too because ad adds its dmg to autoattack, the passive and each skill she uses, plus ultimate multiplies the bonus ad.
sheen gives only some dmg after every skill.
i cant be bothered to do the math since this is very obvious.
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On September 17 2011 01:20 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both. any other ad item is better than it, too because ad adds its dmg to autoattack, the passive and each skill she uses, plus ultimate multiplies the bonus ad. sheen gives only some dmg after every skill. i cant be bothered to do the math since this is very obvious.
Early sheen may be bad but late triforce still works, everything is good bar the ap/mana.
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On September 17 2011 01:36 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:20 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both. any other ad item is better than it, too because ad adds its dmg to autoattack, the passive and each skill she uses, plus ultimate multiplies the bonus ad. sheen gives only some dmg after every skill. i cant be bothered to do the math since this is very obvious. Early sheen may be bad but late triforce still works, everything is good bar the ap/mana.
Eeh, AS isn't that great on her either, since you're going to be weaving your autos like Q - auto - Q - auto - W - auto - Q. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think her abilities can crit as it is, so crit's not amazing either. You're better just building your Phage into FM if you get it, and going for something like BT if you want more damage.
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On September 17 2011 01:44 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:36 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:20 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both. any other ad item is better than it, too because ad adds its dmg to autoattack, the passive and each skill she uses, plus ultimate multiplies the bonus ad. sheen gives only some dmg after every skill. i cant be bothered to do the math since this is very obvious. Early sheen may be bad but late triforce still works, everything is good bar the ap/mana. Eeh, AS isn't that great on her either, since you're going to be weaving your autos like Q - auto - Q - auto - W - auto - Q. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think her abilities can crit as it is, so crit's not amazing either. You're better just building your Phage into FM if you get it, and going for something like BT if you want more damage.
Crit is always good when autoattacking, and attackspeed helps your biggest issue:
On September 17 2011 01:44 Requizen wrote:I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
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On September 17 2011 01:59 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:44 Requizen wrote:On September 17 2011 01:36 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:20 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both. any other ad item is better than it, too because ad adds its dmg to autoattack, the passive and each skill she uses, plus ultimate multiplies the bonus ad. sheen gives only some dmg after every skill. i cant be bothered to do the math since this is very obvious. Early sheen may be bad but late triforce still works, everything is good bar the ap/mana. Eeh, AS isn't that great on her either, since you're going to be weaving your autos like Q - auto - Q - auto - W - auto - Q. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think her abilities can crit as it is, so crit's not amazing either. You're better just building your Phage into FM if you get it, and going for something like BT if you want more damage. Crit is always good when autoattacking, and attackspeed helps your biggest issue: Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:44 Requizen wrote:I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
Lol yeah there's that  I just think she scales so much better from AD than Crit or AS that 15% Crit and 30% AS isn't worth sacrificing a spot to something else that she could get more from.
Edit: I'm fairly certain that if you have Atma's, making that Phage into a FHammer instead will give you more damage than you can make up for with Trinity.
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On September 17 2011 02:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 01:59 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:44 Requizen wrote:On September 17 2011 01:36 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:20 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 01:09 JackDino wrote:On September 17 2011 01:06 LaNague wrote:On September 17 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:On September 16 2011 23:58 Requizen wrote:
Further analysis on Riven:
- I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\
- Wriggles is honestly like the best starting item on her, jungling or not. Then again, I've never played a melee AD in any serious capacity before, so I never really bought it. It's tight.
- I honestly still think E over W for leveling. That shield-dash has saved my skin so many times, and the W is just too hard to land until you're on top of them anyway. Her strength lies in mobility and hopping around, so having it on a lower CD is stronger, I feel. Q's scaling with level is just a wee bit too weak to justify any points in it before W or E. D-blade/bruta into atmogs is fine too, still think sheen/triforce is great on her since you should autoattack a lot inbetween skills for max dmg output. Maxing W gives you moar dmg and more surv too(lower cd on stun). except she has a build in sheen proc that scales with bonus AD, so getting bruta instead of sheen gives you more dps. No one said you can't get both. any other ad item is better than it, too because ad adds its dmg to autoattack, the passive and each skill she uses, plus ultimate multiplies the bonus ad. sheen gives only some dmg after every skill. i cant be bothered to do the math since this is very obvious. Early sheen may be bad but late triforce still works, everything is good bar the ap/mana. Eeh, AS isn't that great on her either, since you're going to be weaving your autos like Q - auto - Q - auto - W - auto - Q. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think her abilities can crit as it is, so crit's not amazing either. You're better just building your Phage into FM if you get it, and going for something like BT if you want more damage. Crit is always good when autoattacking, and attackspeed helps your biggest issue: On September 17 2011 01:44 Requizen wrote:I'm fucking terrible at landing auto attacks, so I'm getting no damage output :\ Lol yeah there's that I just think she scales so much better from AD than Crit or AS that 15% Crit and 30% AS isn't worth sacrificing a spot to something else that she could get more from.
Yeah she does but triforce gives you some surv, has 100% uptime and every high elo player used to get 3force so you have to get one too on everything.
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fudge it i realized why im doing bad in ranked games
its because im giving a shit
k tiamat riven time
<no more shits given>
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Does her Q draw minion agro? If it doesn't, then EWQQQ walk away harass would be really strong, especially if you level Q (it's +60 damage per level if you hit all 3, vs +40 damage per level W). Of course, that's gonna push the lane because of the W and Q AE.
Also, leveling Q will give a stronger level 6, because you're really just looking to get that big burst at 6, which is easier to use with increased range. You not only get some more flat damage out of leveling Q, but you get an extra .8 bonus damage.
After doing several lane matchups, I think such a build would be good for some of them. And maybe good for going bot.
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On September 17 2011 02:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Does her Q draw minion agro? If it doesn't, then EWQQQ walk away harass would be really strong, especially if you level Q (it's +60 damage per level if you hit all 3, vs +40 damage per level W). Of course, that's gonna push the lane because of the W and Q AE.
Also, leveling Q will give a stronger level 6, because you're really just looking to get that big burst at 6, which is easier to use with increased range. You not only get some more flat damage out of leveling Q, but you get an extra .8 bonus damage.
After doing several lane matchups, I think such a build would be good for some of them. And maybe good for going bot.
Q should be considered a spell but very frequently Riven will try to auto attack in between the hits so you might end up pulling minion aggro anyway by accident.
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I believe all? physical damage skills draw aggro. This includes stuff like GP's Parrley, MF's double-up, and I think Pantheon's cane-chuck.
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Targeted ones I mean. Volley and other such AoE ones obviously don't.
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