minion aggro triggers as an on-hit. In other words, Mystic Shot, Parrrrley, and Double up all draw minion aggro because they all trigger on-hit effects. Spear shot on the other hand does not because it does not apply on-hit effects. The rules on minion aggro are stupid and should be looked at IMHO, no reason spells shouldn't draw aggro.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

September 16 2011 17:24 GMT

#882

Do you think the burst of Q is worth losing the CDR from leveling W or E? +60 per level seems like a lot, but it isn't every time that you land all 3 on a target.

Then again, like you said, it's much easier at 6 with the ult. Can't wait for work to be over to test :\

Southlight

United States11761 Posts

September 16 2011 17:25 GMT

#883

Ahhhh, I see. But IIRC Volley applies Frost but doesn't trigger O_o; Le confuze.

MoonBear

Straight outta Johto18973 Posts

September 16 2011 17:27 GMT

#884

On September 17 2011 02:20 Southlight wrote:
I believe all? physical damage skills draw aggro. This includes stuff like GP's Parrley, MF's double-up, and I think Pantheon's cane-chuck.

Edit:
Targeted ones I mean. Volley and other such AoE ones obviously don't.

I thought it was only spells that apply on-hit effects. But then that covers most of the physical non-AoE point-and-click nukes.

Volley is different because it doesn't consider the slow as an on-hit effect I believe. It's considered as part of the spell. The same rule applies for any other dual-condition spell. The easiest way to check for this is to see if Red Buff or Phage applies to the spell.

EDIT: Ninja'd!

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 16 2011 17:27 GMT

#885

On September 17 2011 02:25 Southlight wrote:
Ahhhh, I see. But IIRC Volley applies Frost but doesn't trigger O_o; Le confuze.

that's a special effect of Volley, not an application of an on-hit effect. if I have red buff and I hit a volley, it doesn't apply the red buff. in other words, it's coded to just check for frost shot, not for on-hit effects, whereas the other abilities I described all apply all on-hit effects.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

September 16 2011 17:27 GMT

#886

On September 17 2011 02:25 Southlight wrote:
Ahhhh, I see. But IIRC Volley applies Frost but doesn't trigger O_o; Le confuze.

It doesn't apply on hit effects, only frost shot, even when it's turned off. Part of the spell.

Southlight

United States11761 Posts

September 16 2011 17:29 GMT

#887

I see.

Edit:
Can't let this get off without a quip about Riot actually coding a skill to work uniquely and not have it break the game engine! Oh mah gahd!

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 16 2011 17:32 GMT

#888

On September 17 2011 02:29 Southlight wrote:
I see.

Edit:
Can't let this get off without a quip about Riot actually coding a skill to work uniquely and not have it break the game engine! Oh mah gahd!

Can't let you get off without a quip about how your quip doesn't make any sense. What are you even quipping about you quippy young lad?

739

Bearded Elder29903 Posts

September 16 2011 17:36 GMT

#889

Solo Q.
First pick says he's a roamer.
Picks Evelynn, insta locks.

Trollfest begins.

MoonBear

Straight outta Johto18973 Posts

September 16 2011 17:36 GMT

#890

Herro everynyan, how arrr you? Fine, sank you.

So a question, TL. When do you want to pick Cait, Trist, Ashe, Vayne, etc. in solo queue? Is it based around who the other AD will be bot lane, or is is better to just go with what you're more comfortable with? Are they any particular traits that you should emphasise when choosing your AD Carry?

On September 17 2011 02:32 Mogwai wrote:

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Can't let you get off without a quip about how your quip doesn't make any sense. What are you even quipping about you quippy young lad?

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Southlight

United States11761 Posts

September 16 2011 17:37 GMT

#891

I figured Volley was just a skill that procced only its own on-hit (like Parrley before it procced on-hits but applied Groggy), didn't actually think Riot had managed to do something not-that, on such an early hero.

Then again in retrospect I guess they can just code Volley to be a skillshot snare with hit collision, so I just looked at the skill the wrong way :<

Edit:

So a question, TL. When do you want to pick Cait, Trist, Ashe, Vayne, etc. in solo queue? Is it based around who the other AD will be bot lane, or is is better to just go with what you're more comfortable with? Are they any particular traits that you should emphasise when choosing your AD Carry?

I think Cait is the most pubstomp, and more newbie friendly, as she makes you look really pro. She's also very good at bot lane.

Trist needs more coordination with teammate if you want to get anything done, although she can still play like Cait.

Ashe is horrible bot lane so you rarely wanna pick her.
Vayne is ok with good matchup but I still hate on her as a hero.
MF and Corki are both heroes similar to Ashe in that I think they're simply better in a solo lane, even if no one wants to give them a solo lane anymore.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

September 16 2011 17:39 GMT

#892

On September 17 2011 02:37 Southlight wrote:
I figured Volley was just a skill that procced only its own on-hit (like Parrley before it procced on-hits but applied Groggy), didn't actually think Riot had managed to do something not-that, on such an early hero.

Then again in retrospect I guess they can just code Volley to be a skillshot snare with hit collision, so I just looked at the skill the wrong way :<

Edit:

Show nested quote +

Parrley used to apply on hit effects but not it's passive, the other way around of what you said.

Southlight

United States11761 Posts

September 16 2011 17:41 GMT

#893

Oh yeah, they added the Groggy at one point, not replaced, mb.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 16 2011 17:51 GMT

#894

dealing with it as proccing only it's own hit is more of a pain in the ass than just:

if(frostShot.level > 0)
{
guyGettingHit.Slowed = frostShot.SlowValue;
}

but even if we assume it only procced it's own on-hit effect, the simplest way to do that would be to ignore all other on-hit effects and only proc the slow. drawing minion aggro is coded as an on-hit effect and since it's not the frost shot, it would still interact the same way unless you went out of your way to make it not act that way.

rwrzr

United States1980 Posts

September 16 2011 17:53 GMT

#895

Incoming Ashe Fix

Southlight

United States11761 Posts

September 16 2011 17:54 GMT

#896

Well I mean if the game were to read each arrow as like an attack arrow and proc an on-hit on each one (similar to how MF's Q looks) then it'd proc minion aggro unless, as you said, you go out of the way to code that Volley's on-hit proc of frost does NOT draw aggro.

It just didn't occur to me until after the post that that's a complicated way to code what ends up just looking like a 8 (now 6) pronged hit-box spell that happens to have an ice effect, similar to Anivia FF, lol.