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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:29:43
September 15 2011 14:28 GMT
#541
On September 15 2011 23:22 Hadraziel wrote:
New character, new wallpaper

[image loading]


Riven was a bit awkward to play also.


edit - included reference. Hate starting a new page with just a one line post. My apologies to you all.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7583 Posts
September 15 2011 14:31 GMT
#542
On September 15 2011 23:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
Can someone with access to the us client tell me what runes/masteries jiji is running on cass? Im at work atm so I cant check.

He levels e first, so I want to know if there is anything else he does differently from me.


If he is running 'bananas' for Cass, it's 9.7 mpen ms quints and rest AP/l.
Stuck.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:33:19
September 15 2011 14:32 GMT
#543
On September 15 2011 23:31 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
Can someone with access to the us client tell me what runes/masteries jiji is running on cass? Im at work atm so I cant check.

He levels e first, so I want to know if there is anything else he does differently from me.


If he is running 'bananas' for Cass, it's 9.7 mpen ms quints and rest AP/l.

He has 2 MPen Blues though, oddly enough.

Masteries are standard 9/0/21, skipping Greed for an extra point in MP5.

On September 15 2011 23:13 BouBou.865 wrote:
So if I had gold ELO, I can now safely go and play ranked without fear of getting jewed out of my Jarvan skin? Would just check, but login Q 45 mins

Yes, rewards have been locked in. They just need distributing. Fear not. Go ahead and lose all that Elo.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:36:32
September 15 2011 14:35 GMT
#544
On September 15 2011 23:28 Requizen wrote:
I'm starting to think that Wriggles is a good early item for Riven. I usually don't get it on a lot of characters, but her big problem early game is getting in/out of range to farm, since she doesn't have a poke or anything like that. Once you level up E a bunch, it becomes a lot easier.

I'm starting to hold off getting my first ability until I see who I'm laning against. If I feel safe, I'll start Q to farm (because it farms so well with dat AoE), but against ranged or someone like Talon who dominates early game, I feel that E is so much more useful.

Honestly though, as far as fighters go, she's, like, high middle of the road. Better than middling fighters like Garen, but not as good as Lee Sin or Irelia, both of whom are just so strong. She feels about Renekton's level, maybe a bit higher. A viable pick if you're determined to make her work. She actually feels pretty good with a support as well.


Don't level up E first, l0l. You pretty much always want to take Q at level 1 since you can harass pretty well with it, and then max W first (the AoE stun thing).

Whether you take E second or Q second depends on what item pathing you go. If you went warmogs, you need to level up Q second or your damage will be wet noodles. If you went bloodthister second you need to get that E leveled up.

But yeah.. for me right now it's wriggels -> atmogs -> last whisper. Works the best.

Problem overall for me is that if I want someone to whore top lane for 20 minutes I'd rather take Jax, but I guess Riven is less likely to get shut down in lane.
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
September 15 2011 14:35 GMT
#545
Anybody else got Kayle? Riot is a fancy restaurant, you pay way too much but then they give you fancy shit you never asked for for 'free'.
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 15 2011 14:36 GMT
#546
On September 15 2011 23:35 BouBou.865 wrote:
Anybody else got Kayle? Riot is a fancy restaurant, you pay way too much but then they give you fancy shit you never asked for for 'free'.

Everyone who had 10 ranked games played (regardless of Elo) got the Judgement Kayle skin. If you did not own Kayle, you also got her for free.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 15 2011 14:37 GMT
#547
Wait so what is it? Its hard for me to visualize without someone breaking it down for me.

mpen reds, ap/lvl blues and what on yellows and quints?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
September 15 2011 14:39 GMT
#548
I can't check but from the sound of it:

3 MS quints
9 Mpen red
9 AP/level yellows
7 AP/level blues
2 mpen blues

2 mpen blue is for exactly 30 mpen with sorc boots, which is everybody's base magic resistance.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 15 2011 14:42 GMT
#549
On September 15 2011 23:39 Juicyfruit wrote:
I can't check but from the sound of it:

3 MS quints
9 Mpen red
9 AP/level yellows
7 AP/level blues
2 mpen blues

2 mpen blue is for exactly 30 mpen with sorc boots, which is everybody's base magic resistance.

Huh. That actually kinda sounds like the caster page I was starting to think about creating. Ms quints and such. I guess there is a reason jiji is better than me. He's about a month ahead of when I would have come up with that page.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:51:54
September 15 2011 14:44 GMT
#550
On September 15 2011 23:22 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 22:05 EatMySpell wrote:
Played Orianna, that small nerf hurts a little I admit but she's still decent.

Can't play ranked anymore, played 5, won 2, shoulda win 4 without any problems if ppl weren't retarded to run into 1v3 as taric or shit like this.

Need to duo and totally rape Your lanes, solo/top preferably or mid/jungle.


2 games where i was just flat out pwning my lanes/ganking as jungler and getting insanely fed, then other teammates just go retard mode and drag game for 40-50 mins and i have to hard carry and barely win from a baron fight

1st game had janna who didn't know how to use cv and had heal instead. just kept autoing minions

i'm definitely not going to play support/tanks until i get out of this cesspool of downies

was watching hotshotgg last night playing kass against doublelift's anivia. looks like kass will become the new fotm after this buff


Kass was top ban and top pick in UE for a looooong time before we started to see so many new AP mid who have such rafined kit. Brand orianna, even buffed annie were too much for Kass to handle, whle he was the anti AP to put mid.

I hope he will come back to his prevous glory, he's hella fun to play.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 15 2011 14:49 GMT
#551
On September 15 2011 23:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:28 Requizen wrote:
I'm starting to think that Wriggles is a good early item for Riven. I usually don't get it on a lot of characters, but her big problem early game is getting in/out of range to farm, since she doesn't have a poke or anything like that. Once you level up E a bunch, it becomes a lot easier.

I'm starting to hold off getting my first ability until I see who I'm laning against. If I feel safe, I'll start Q to farm (because it farms so well with dat AoE), but against ranged or someone like Talon who dominates early game, I feel that E is so much more useful.

Honestly though, as far as fighters go, she's, like, high middle of the road. Better than middling fighters like Garen, but not as good as Lee Sin or Irelia, both of whom are just so strong. She feels about Renekton's level, maybe a bit higher. A viable pick if you're determined to make her work. She actually feels pretty good with a support as well.


Don't level up E first, l0l. You pretty much always want to take Q at level 1 since you can harass pretty well with it, and then max W first (the AoE stun thing).

Whether you take E second or Q second depends on what item pathing you go. If you went warmogs, you need to level up Q second or your damage will be wet noodles. If you went bloodthister second you need to get that E leveled up.

But yeah.. for me right now it's wriggels -> atmogs -> last whisper. Works the best.

Problem overall for me is that if I want someone to whore top lane for 20 minutes I'd rather take Jax, but I guess Riven is less likely to get shut down in lane.


Honestly, I don't level Q until last no matter what. The only thing leveling Q does is increase the base damage, which isn't that great to begin with. It scales with AD the same at all levels.

Leveling W and E is way better, but I feel E is more versatile. To note, both give 1 second CDR with each level they get. W gives you more straight damage, yes. It helps secure kills and clear mobs stupidly fast. However, E gives more shield (increasing your survivability by a LOT), and the dash is way more useful than the stun or AoE. You can use it to get in to fights, out of them, chase or run. The shield can even tank a turret shot or two if you tower dive.

You can't really harass with Q (or at all) against some characters. A poster above said Talon destroys her, which is true. He has about your toughness in the beginning, plus an AoE poke with rake that also slows, so you never even get close to being able to fight him at 1. Only squishier chars without escapes make good targets for your Q.


Also, I need to start using her R every single fight it's up. That 20% AD is so massive, and if you can land the Wave it secures kills like a boss.
It's your boy Guzma!
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:02:57
September 15 2011 14:55 GMT
#552
Fuck, the forum ate my post CBA rewriting to its full extent.

Preliminary thoughts on Riven after some games. Feel free to critique.

MS quints, flat CDR blue. Arpen red, flat armour yellow. 21/9/0 with nimbleness and maxed CDR mastery in offense. CDR boots, Iedge, LW, Force of Atmog. Atma, Warmog, CDR boots first, then add as needed. If you build everything, use all pots that you can. Blue's ap is wasted, but the CDR is pretty nice.

Skill order QWEEEREWEWRWWQQRQQ

Hog red buff and come from the side or from behind for maximum penetration. She's kinda squishy (even with atma, warmog and fon, her armour and resists are kinda low ~120-130) and her dash, albeit decent, is split in four (EQQQ), so initiating can be a bit tricky. Also, if you initiate, you're can find yourself in a whole lot of trouble. Start up fights by activating R, then using it again after you've unloaded the rest of your combo. Past level 16, given that you have enough CDR, R's cooldown is pretty much nonexistant and you have it up every fight (18% cdr gives you 36 sec cooldown).

Also, try out laning bottom with Taric and/or Alistar.

Oh yeah, feel free to critique.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 15 2011 14:56 GMT
#553
On September 15 2011 23:36 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:35 BouBou.865 wrote:
Anybody else got Kayle? Riot is a fancy restaurant, you pay way too much but then they give you fancy shit you never asked for for 'free'.

Everyone who had 10 ranked games played (regardless of Elo) got the Judgement Kayle skin. If you did not own Kayle, you also got her for free.


Well... maybe I shouldn't say this... but it SEEMS like I've gotten Kayle, and I'm still level 11... Haven't touched a ranked game, you know, EVER. So uhhhh... don't take away my free stuff, kthx? I need all the heroes I can get. =)
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 15 2011 15:01 GMT
#554
On September 15 2011 23:36 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:35 BouBou.865 wrote:
Anybody else got Kayle? Riot is a fancy restaurant, you pay way too much but then they give you fancy shit you never asked for for 'free'.

Everyone who had 10 ranked games played (regardless of Elo) got the Judgement Kayle skin. If you did not own Kayle, you also got her for free.


Not just ranked, 10 games of any kind.
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 15 2011 15:03 GMT
#555
On September 16 2011 00:01 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:36 MoonBear wrote:
On September 15 2011 23:35 BouBou.865 wrote:
Anybody else got Kayle? Riot is a fancy restaurant, you pay way too much but then they give you fancy shit you never asked for for 'free'.

Everyone who had 10 ranked games played (regardless of Elo) got the Judgement Kayle skin. If you did not own Kayle, you also got her for free.


Not just ranked, 10 games of any kind.

I just checked me NA account. Indeed, it does seem to be 10 games of any kind. Even if it's just 10 Co-op v AI games.

I am now kinda glad I actually played a few games on it, haha.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:07:40
September 15 2011 15:06 GMT
#556
Wut ? Means I got her skin also ?
Good news then, that's 450 IP I'll spend in runes since I wanted to try her.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:12:46
September 15 2011 15:09 GMT
#557
On September 15 2011 23:49 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
On September 15 2011 23:28 Requizen wrote:
I'm starting to think that Wriggles is a good early item for Riven. I usually don't get it on a lot of characters, but her big problem early game is getting in/out of range to farm, since she doesn't have a poke or anything like that. Once you level up E a bunch, it becomes a lot easier.

I'm starting to hold off getting my first ability until I see who I'm laning against. If I feel safe, I'll start Q to farm (because it farms so well with dat AoE), but against ranged or someone like Talon who dominates early game, I feel that E is so much more useful.

Honestly though, as far as fighters go, she's, like, high middle of the road. Better than middling fighters like Garen, but not as good as Lee Sin or Irelia, both of whom are just so strong. She feels about Renekton's level, maybe a bit higher. A viable pick if you're determined to make her work. She actually feels pretty good with a support as well.


Don't level up E first, l0l. You pretty much always want to take Q at level 1 since you can harass pretty well with it, and then max W first (the AoE stun thing).

Whether you take E second or Q second depends on what item pathing you go. If you went warmogs, you need to level up Q second or your damage will be wet noodles. If you went bloodthister second you need to get that E leveled up.

But yeah.. for me right now it's wriggels -> atmogs -> last whisper. Works the best.

Problem overall for me is that if I want someone to whore top lane for 20 minutes I'd rather take Jax, but I guess Riven is less likely to get shut down in lane.


Honestly, I don't level Q until last no matter what. The only thing leveling Q does is increase the base damage, which isn't that great to begin with. It scales with AD the same at all levels.

Leveling W and E is way better, but I feel E is more versatile. To note, both give 1 second CDR with each level they get. W gives you more straight damage, yes. It helps secure kills and clear mobs stupidly fast. However, E gives more shield (increasing your survivability by a LOT), and the dash is way more useful than the stun or AoE. You can use it to get in to fights, out of them, chase or run. The shield can even tank a turret shot or two if you tower dive.

You can't really harass with Q (or at all) against some characters. A poster above said Talon destroys her, which is true. He has about your toughness in the beginning, plus an AoE poke with rake that also slows, so you never even get close to being able to fight him at 1. Only squishier chars without escapes make good targets for your Q.


Also, I need to start using her R every single fight it's up. That 20% AD is so massive, and if you can land the Wave it secures kills like a boss.


Wait, Talon can beat Riven at level 1? I feel like that's impossible. Talon might eventually be a bursting* asshole but Riven's level 1 is VERY strong and Talon's level 1 is VERY weak.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 15 2011 15:10 GMT
#558
On September 15 2011 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:39 Juicyfruit wrote:
I can't check but from the sound of it:

3 MS quints
9 Mpen red
9 AP/level yellows
7 AP/level blues
2 mpen blues

2 mpen blue is for exactly 30 mpen with sorc boots, which is everybody's base magic resistance.

Huh. That actually kinda sounds like the caster page I was starting to think about creating. Ms quints and such. I guess there is a reason jiji is better than me. He's about a month ahead of when I would have come up with that page.

Aside from AP/lvl yellows, (And the mpen blues?) that's my Cass page. And I've been levelling up E 1st since I got her.

Wave > jiji?
You decide.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
September 15 2011 15:11 GMT
#559
I'm so waiting a day before I start grinding ranked. Huehue.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 15 2011 15:11 GMT
#560
As a side note, I also tried out Singed last night while a friend played Riven. I kept dying, then I realized that you're just supposed to run around like a dumbass and throw people rather than fighting straight up. Pretty fun just steaming along like a derp train and wrecking people's health.
It's your boy Guzma!
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