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On October 03 2011 23:33 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 23:29 57 Corvette wrote:
So, what is TL's general opinion of Elementz Tier List? Good? Bad? Do we need a TL Tier List? No. Tier lists are stupid. There are viable champs and ones who are not viable. And the total list of not viable champs is incredibly small. At any level below CLG/TSM/Dignitas ect it just comes down to what people play the best. Any viable champ for a role that someone can play well will work better than any "tier 1" champ that they dont specialize in.
That the exact same thing Elementz says about his tierlist. The thing is very accurate and informative. Just read/listen to the comments he makes and see that his list makes alot of sense. For example saying that the higher Tier champs are more flexible picks that fit into alot of comps is more accurate than saying they are flat out better. He specifically mentions that alot of the lower tier champs are just as strong as most others when in hands of a specialyst and picked into a fitting team.
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Gabon6219 Posts
People who follow elementz tierlist are retarded anyways, it's what 1 player thinks and lets be honest, have you seen his bear tibbers @ dreamhack. Tierlists are dumb because there are retards out there who will flame anyone to death for playing something that isn't Tier 1 or 2. So annoying so annoying. Not to mention elementz' tier list is heavily influenced by emotions lol.
Tier lists are only good if everyone plays perfect.
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Honestly I've never had someone bitch about a champ pick because of his tier list. I've only even heard it mentioned a handful of times at champ select and I've got like 1600 games played.
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On October 04 2011 01:03 JackDino wrote:
People who follow elementz tierlist are retarded anyways, it's what 1 player thinks and lets be honest, have you seen his bear tibbers @ dreamhack. Tierlists are dumb because there are retards out there who will flame anyone to death for playing something that isn't Tier 1 or 2. So annoying so annoying. Not to mention elementz' tier list is heavily influenced by emotions lol.
Tier lists are only good if everyone plays perfect.
the list isnt something to "follow". It's an analysis to think and discuss about.
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Elementz gets the opinion of other top players before he places the champ into tiers.
It's a good list to create discussion, but many misguided players don't really discuss and think it's written in stone.
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Gabon6219 Posts
On October 04 2011 01:12 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 01:03 JackDino wrote:
People who follow elementz tierlist are retarded anyways, it's what 1 player thinks and lets be honest, have you seen his bear tibbers @ dreamhack. Tierlists are dumb because there are retards out there who will flame anyone to death for playing something that isn't Tier 1 or 2. So annoying so annoying. Not to mention elementz' tier list is heavily influenced by emotions lol.
Tier lists are only good if everyone plays perfect. the list isnt something to "follow". It's an analysis to think and discuss about.
Yes except there are too many idiots out there that actually follow it. OMG [random T4 champ] SUCKS DONT PICK IT HES BAD etc etc, that's the kind of stuff I see because of stuff like elementz tier list(which is garbage anyways).
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I don't know if anyone else is suffering from this but every now and then I get these random disconnects for no reason whatsoever (my net is working just fine especially at that moment). And with this I also get these weird spikes where Units don't move and I can't see animations taking place at all. It used to happen alot a while back but it got resolved somehow, but now it has started again. Really retarded.
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Never heard someone bitch about Elementz tier list, I have had complains about picks (Eve) though.
Really the downright terrible champs currently are imo: Karma, Eve and Mundo.
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On October 04 2011 01:38 Eppa! wrote:
Really the downright terrible champs currently are imo: Karma
please keep thinking that
i like that she's still a secret
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On October 04 2011 01:38 Eppa! wrote:
Never heard someone bitch about Elementz tier list, I have had complains about picks (Eve) though.
Really the downright terrible champs currently are imo: Karma, Eve and Mundo.
I STRONGLY disagree with Karma being terrible.
Karma is the best bait in the game and xin/karma bot is OP,people just don't know it.
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On October 04 2011 01:50 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 01:38 Eppa! wrote:
Never heard someone bitch about Elementz tier list, I have had complains about picks (Eve) though.
Really the downright terrible champs currently are imo: Karma, Eve and Mundo. I STRONGLY dissagree with Karma being terrible. Karma is the best bait in the game and xin/karma bot is OP,people just don't know it.
bot lane Karma is so sad come mid game.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 03 2011 18:53 locodoco wrote:![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/2zhjw39.jpg) plat is kewl renek op top noc op jungle cant play ad in solo q games supports too retarded ill only ad if im duoing with madlife
lol ya renek really is op thanks for the runes/masteries. although i use armor over dodge
hasnt been a single game where i dont get fed out the ass, just depends on how bad my team is. he turns ganks into double kills lawl
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If I'm going to run a cheesy support mid, I'd go AP Janna over Karma any day ggggg
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Karma is one of those champions who really feels like you need a solo because of farm dependence and also high level dependence since range is short and you need level 6 shield and fans asap or they do no damage.
The only problem is there are ~10 brokenly op AP carries that make it seem like karma is underwhelming.
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I hate that after clawing my way to .500 my Elo is still 150 points below the starting 1200.
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I'm interested in something though.Anyone here that plays Karma,do you take gp5 items?
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On October 04 2011 01:56 Slaughter wrote:
I hate that after clawing my way to .500 my Elo is still 150 points below the starting 1200.
what, dude that sucks lol
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On October 04 2011 01:59 TheKefka wrote:
I'm interested in something though.Anyone here that plays Karma,do you take gp5 items?
When I've been watching Smash he doesn't take gp5 items, and he plays a pretty mean Karma.
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This might sound crazy but I found the best way to set up karma is to simply use full ap/level runes.
You get ~86 ap with it by level 18 with about 50 or so by level 9 with a dorans ring, which keeps you relevant while you build up a catalyst and deathcap. You really don't need magic pen since you are half a support and it would not affect shield or heal.
The biggest problem with karma is that you are a support type champ that needs gold to stay relevant since you are also half a mage.
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On October 04 2011 01:59 TheKefka wrote:
I'm interested in something though.Anyone here that plays Karma,do you take gp5 items?
Solo lane: Sometimes get a philo.
Support karma (when i wanna play karma but they dont give me mid) TRIPLE gold/5 items because you need to steal as much farm as possible to be useful.
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