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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 03 2011 09:38 GMT
#3961
Whats the most underused item cus its too crap?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 03 2011 09:39 GMT
#3962
There's still the time you don't have blue buff~~.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 03 2011 09:43 GMT
#3963
On October 03 2011 18:38 RogerX wrote:
Whats the most underused item cus its too crap?


nashor's tooth
executor's calling
And all is illuminated.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
October 03 2011 09:53 GMT
#3964
[image loading]
plat is kewl
renek op top
noc op jungle
cant play ad in solo q games supports too retarded
ill only ad if im duoing with madlife
i wish riot would give me better ping
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
October 03 2011 10:01 GMT
#3965
On October 03 2011 18:43 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:38 RogerX wrote:
Whats the most underused item cus its too crap?


nashor's tooth
executor's calling

And Leviathan
wat
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 03 2011 10:03 GMT
#3966
On October 03 2011 19:01 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:43 freelander wrote:
On October 03 2011 18:38 RogerX wrote:
Whats the most underused item cus its too crap?


nashor's tooth
executor's calling

And Leviathan

How is leviathan trash, it's the only snowball item that makes you harder to kill.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 03 2011 10:06 GMT
#3967
On October 03 2011 18:53 locodoco wrote:
[image loading]
plat is kewl
renek op top
noc op jungle
cant play ad in solo q games supports too retarded
ill only ad if im duoing with madlife

Hey want to trade accounts?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 10:46:16
October 03 2011 10:43 GMT
#3968
On October 03 2011 19:03 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 19:01 EquilasH wrote:
On October 03 2011 18:43 freelander wrote:
On October 03 2011 18:38 RogerX wrote:
Whats the most underused item cus its too crap?


nashor's tooth
executor's calling

And Leviathan

How is leviathan trash, it's the only snowball item that makes you harder to kill.

The same argument could be made for Executioner's Calling ("Hey, it's the only item that reduces healing done to a target").

Personally I believe Leviathan is trash because most of the time snowball items aren't very effective, since if you get them when you start winning then you'll just win a bit harder, which is cool and all, but if you're losing, then you need to be outperforming your teammates enormously for your Leviathan to stay above 10 stacks (10 stacks is when it's cost efficient, but it should be higher than that imo, otherwise you could've just as well bought a giant's belt).

The reason I don't think Soto and Mejai are as bad Leviathan is because they become cost effective around 5-6 stacks while Leviathan needs a grand total of 10 stacks just to be as cost effective as a giant's belt.
Also Soto and Mejai's should mostly be used for champions that die very little (Kassadin etc.), but as a tank with Leviathan you mostly want to dive into the other team, in which case it's very likely that you'll lose some stacks from diving unless you have 20 stacks in which case Leviathan is absolutely godmode.
wat
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
October 03 2011 10:57 GMT
#3969
A case can be made for scaling items when playing champs that can escape with great ease but even then if you get them early (and you should) you are often still in the lane phase. A good opponent will not let you get away with wasting that much gold.


In my opinion the items are bad for two reasons.

1) They don't serve a purpose in higher skill gameplay
2) They dominate lower skill gameplay

And they ruin a lot of games for new players. What do you learn when an enemy has 20 mejai stacks? Uh you don't learn shit you just your face stomped and you can't figure out how to counter it when you are still new to the game.

People learn a little bit every game but you can't learn anything from scale items like mejai because they are just so ridiculously strong when stacked to 20 that they remove any chance to fight back.


In the end people finally learn to handle scale items and then they learned a lesson that they won't ever find themselves using since it's a shit item at the end of the road.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 03 2011 12:03 GMT
#3970
I actually use meja's to dump gold when playing sona. I'ts decent on her because you either get free stacks or they focus you which is good as well.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
October 03 2011 12:15 GMT
#3971
If you can afford Mejai on Sona you're not buying enough wards.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
October 03 2011 12:15 GMT
#3972
On October 03 2011 18:43 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:38 RogerX wrote:
Whats the most underused item cus its too crap?


nashor's tooth
executor's calling

Where's ma Tiamat.
The legend of Darien lives on
Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1017 Posts
October 03 2011 12:24 GMT
#3973
On the 'getting tear/archangels on caster debate', I'm finding it useful with my new account in China. I just bought Malzahar, but kept running out of mana at key times, which is a shame because of his long range spells, and benefit he gets from spamming them.
Without masteries/runes and with level 12 unreliable team mates who you can't count on for blue buff, I think rushing a tear is a good choice. It allows me to make life hard for my laning opponents, do great poking pre-team fights, and build into a decent item late game.
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
October 03 2011 12:36 GMT
#3974
On October 03 2011 18:53 locodoco wrote:
[image loading]
plat is kewl
renek op top
noc op jungle
cant play ad in solo q games supports too retarded
ill only ad if im duoing with madlife


How do yo build Renek?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
October 03 2011 13:02 GMT
#3975
On October 03 2011 21:15 Therealdevil wrote:
If you can afford Mejai on Sona you're not buying enough wards.

If you can't afford Mejai on Sona, you're a bad Sona.

It's just better to buy things like Shurelya's Reverie in almost every scenario.
twitch.tv/cratonz
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
October 03 2011 13:03 GMT
#3976
On October 03 2011 21:36 -Kato- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:53 locodoco wrote:
[image loading]
plat is kewl
renek op top
noc op jungle
cant play ad in solo q games supports too retarded
ill only ad if im duoing with madlife


How do yo build Renek?

solo mid guide inc
mind waiting a day or 2 for a full guide?
:>
i wish riot would give me better ping
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 03 2011 13:18 GMT
#3977
I just realized you were at a net cafe, loco, good man, getting it done.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 03 2011 13:48 GMT
#3978
OK, for future reference, if I ever play with TL members, do not let me play any of these roles/chars:

Corki
Ezreal
Ranged AD
Jungle
Support (Except Taric)
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
October 03 2011 13:53 GMT
#3979
Can someone explain to me why Trynd is considered trash in higher levels? He's tough, has an invincibility button, sustain with a lifesteal, and does silly high damage when built even part way. Why don't we see more of him?
Whatevs
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 14:01:52
October 03 2011 14:00 GMT
#3980
Exhaust, ignite and a possibly weak laning phase (and yet there are plenty of people who fuck up vs trynd and let him win), but he's perfectly viable in solo Q because of his ridiculous potential to screw up the game from the getgo if he becomes dominant solo top since you won't be able to stop him farming up.

I don't think too many people consider trynd trash tier tbh. There are some people out there who play ONLY tryndamere and they get good results.
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