EPTOn October 03 2011 15:55 Seuss wrote:
o.O What happened? I mean, beyond him being #1 forum MVP.
o.O What happened? I mean, beyond him being #1 forum MVP.
He got a shoutout from Zenon on stream with 15000 people watching.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
He got a shoutout from Zenon on stream with 15000 people watching. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On October 03 2011 12:52 Craton wrote: Maybe you should stop KSing them. this is lane phase | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 03 2011 15:54 Lorken wrote: I see people who have like 200 bonus mana on it stacking archangle's staffs, (When I upgrade tears I have like 800) and I tell them they aren't using it effectively but I get called a noob . Do you guys stack them as well? Sorry for making a thread :/ I wasn't thinking at the time. Stats done with Annie since she's supposed to be the baseline mage: Three Archangel's assuming you have max Tear = 436 AP. Rabadon's, Void Staff, and Zhonya's Hourglass = 403 AP. If you just want raw AP stacking Archangel's is pretty decent assuming you can get a full Tear. With no stacked mana on Tear you only have 346.5 AP. You should have a fully charged Tear though by the time you get enough gold for two extra Archangel's. I don't stack AA by the way. Mostly cause Rabadon's alone gives more AP than AA and Void Staff is going to make you do more damage than just straight stacking AA because of the spell pen. Zhonya's is going to give you utility that stacking AA doesn't. If you don't want Zhonya's you can get Rylai, Morello's, etc. I don't play a ton of AP carries as I prefer ranged AD but I honestly don't think stacking AA is worth it. Yeah you get lots of AP but you won't have as much spell pen (or at least not as soon as you would if you built standard), your extra AP kicks in later than a standard build, and you lack the utility you'd get with a RoA, Zhonyas, Rylais, w/e. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote: If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it I would hope(assume?) that part of the eventual jungle rework will be massive devaluing of the buffs, which allows for a complete rework of the strength/xp+gold rewards of the creeps, which will then lead to the ability for teams to consider whether a jungler is what they want or not, because there won't be red buff ganks or blue buffs to hand off seemlessly. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote: If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it I could see that happening, but I doubt people will start stacking it. | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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esotericc
449 Posts
Stuff like at IEM with no pause and tons of disconnects leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:26 Lorken wrote: For pure ap build I like going tears > rabadon's > void staff > AA and usually you have a full tears by that time. IMO this lets you get cooldown boots instead of sorcerer ones during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote: If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it Even if Blue Buff got nerfed, it'd still be hard to justify AA staff until you have at least 1 Rod of Ages (and as far as stacking them goes, I'd rather have multiple Rods of Ages than multiple AA Staves). On October 03 2011 17:04 gtrsrs wrote: during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage. Not to mention that there's very little reason to get Tear over Catalyst. Catalyst gives you superior sustain in lane (esp since it buffers your HP and your mana), and AA simply isn't cost-effective in comparison to Rod of Ages until you already have other significant mana sources (such as, guess what? Rod of Ages). Even with a fully charged Tear, AA Staff needs outside mana sources to be a cost-effective AP source. Also, you really shouldn't ever get CDR boots on mana-using AP carries while blue buff exists as it does (and even on the non-mana AP carries it's a tossup--Kennen and Rumble aren't primarily cooldown-limited, so CDR boots don't make much sense on them either, making Vlad the only non-mana AP carry that uses CDR boots). | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
On October 03 2011 17:04 gtrsrs wrote: during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage. Woops, I forgot to mention I only do that with Viegar, AP is never a problem on him at all. But even with casters like Kassadin/ Morgana I rely only on runes (and Doran ring on Morg) for ap until RoA is complete. On October 03 2011 17:08 TheYango wrote: Even if Blue Buff got nerfed, it'd still be hard to justify AA staff until you have at least 1 Rod of Ages (and as far as stacking them goes, I'd rather have multiple Rods of Ages than multiple AA Staves). Not to mention that there's very little reason to get Tear over Catalyst. Catalyst gives you superior sustain in lane (esp since it buffers your HP and your mana), and AA simply isn't cost-effective in comparison to Rod of Ages until you already have other significant mana sources (such as, guess what? Rod of Ages). Even with a fully charged Tear, AA Staff needs outside mana sources to be a cost-effective AP source. Also, you really shouldn't ever get CDR boots on mana-using AP carries while blue buff exists as it does (and even on the non-mana AP carries it's a tossup--Kennen and Rumble aren't primarily cooldown-limited, so CDR boots don't make much sense on them either, making Vlad the only non-mana AP carry that uses CDR boots). When you're playing a squishy, killing blue is rather hard (without losing much health) until you are at least level 11-12 and all games don't have junglers to help you get it or someone else could also take it as well. Another thing is that blue buff doesn't last forever and dying doesn't help it either. On October 03 2011 17:22 ArC_man wrote: I think Morellos would see more usage if blue buff was nerfed. This is true, blue buff is way too strong, so is red buff vs Frozen mallet when playing ad carry | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
Don't say that as if you aren't ksing from across lane. + Show Spoiler + sarcasm over the internet, etc. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 03 2011 17:39 Lorken wrote: Woops, I forgot to mention I only do that with Viegar, AP is never a problem on him at all. That still begs the question why you're getting Tear instead of Catalyst or Codex->DFG. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:59 esotericc wrote: Is riot actually going to do something about the bad client structure/lack of esport features to catch up with its rising popularity? seems like a smart idea as it will almost decide the length the game goes in terms of rising popularity. Stuff like at IEM with no pause and tons of disconnects leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Well, it's not Riot fault most of the time. The IEM fiasco come from the chinese launcher, which was made by the compagny who own LoL in China ( don't remember the name ) and they had the good idea to make it unusable on Window 64 bits. And IEM was full of... ye you get it, Window 64 bits computer. They had problems with the launcher being one patch behind too i think. | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:59 esotericc wrote: Is riot actually going to do something about the bad client structure/lack of esport features to catch up with its rising popularity? seems like a smart idea as it will almost decide the length the game goes in terms of rising popularity. Stuff like at IEM with no pause and tons of disconnects leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Soon(tm) | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On October 03 2011 18:30 JackDino wrote: Tear is still better than catalyst on kassa, and bluebuff doesn't give 40% cdr so cdr boots aren't all that bad even with blue buff since blue doesn't have 100% uptime either. blue buff + blue pot +masteries =40 | ||
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