• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:13
CEST 00:13
KST 07:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)0Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer8Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Lessons Written in Turbulent Skies Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Which UAE App Developers Are Leading the Innovatio
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Tomorrow's War Was Written Yesterday Echoes of Revolution and Separation UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 33653 users

[Patch 1.0.0.125: Riven] General Discussion - Page 198

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 196 197 198 199 200 218 Next
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2011 06:57 GMT
#3941
On October 03 2011 15:55 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 15:02 Lanzoma wrote:
Congratz Moonbear, you're e-famous now.


o.O What happened? I mean, beyond him being #1 forum MVP.

He got a shoutout from Zenon on stream with 15000 people watching.
Moderator
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 03 2011 07:04 GMT
#3942
On October 03 2011 12:52 Craton wrote:
Maybe you should stop KSing them.

this is lane phase
GANDHISAUCE
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 07:09:52
October 03 2011 07:09 GMT
#3943
On October 03 2011 15:54 Lorken wrote:
I see people who have like 200 bonus mana on it stacking archangle's staffs, (When I upgrade tears I have like 800) and I tell them they aren't using it effectively but I get called a noob . Do you guys stack them as well?

Sorry for making a thread :/ I wasn't thinking at the time.


Stats done with Annie since she's supposed to be the baseline mage:

Three Archangel's assuming you have max Tear = 436 AP.

Rabadon's, Void Staff, and Zhonya's Hourglass = 403 AP.

If you just want raw AP stacking Archangel's is pretty decent assuming you can get a full Tear. With no stacked mana on Tear you only have 346.5 AP. You should have a fully charged Tear though by the time you get enough gold for two extra Archangel's.

I don't stack AA by the way. Mostly cause Rabadon's alone gives more AP than AA and Void Staff is going to make you do more damage than just straight stacking AA because of the spell pen. Zhonya's is going to give you utility that stacking AA doesn't. If you don't want Zhonya's you can get Rylai, Morello's, etc.

I don't play a ton of AP carries as I prefer ranged AD but I honestly don't think stacking AA is worth it. Yeah you get lots of AP but you won't have as much spell pen (or at least not as soon as you would if you built standard), your extra AP kicks in later than a standard build, and you lack the utility you'd get with a RoA, Zhonyas, Rylais, w/e.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 03 2011 07:11 GMT
#3944
If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it
Brees on in
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 03 2011 07:15 GMT
#3945
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote:
If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it


I would hope(assume?) that part of the eventual jungle rework will be massive devaluing of the buffs, which allows for a complete rework of the strength/xp+gold rewards of the creeps, which will then lead to the ability for teams to consider whether a jungler is what they want or not, because there won't be red buff ganks or blue buffs to hand off seemlessly.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 03 2011 07:21 GMT
#3946
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote:
If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it


I could see that happening, but I doubt people will start stacking it.
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
October 03 2011 07:26 GMT
#3947
For pure ap build I like going tears > rabadon's > void staff > AA and usually you have a full tears by that time. IMO this lets you get cooldown boots instead of sorcerer ones
LOUD NOISES!!!
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
October 03 2011 07:44 GMT
#3948
Everyone goes AD Kog'maw these days. Are AP builds really not viable on him anymore?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 03 2011 07:56 GMT
#3949
Just me or did NA servers just explode?
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
October 03 2011 07:59 GMT
#3950
Is riot actually going to do something about the bad client structure/lack of esport features to catch up with its rising popularity? seems like a smart idea as it will almost decide the length the game goes in terms of rising popularity.

Stuff like at IEM with no pause and tons of disconnects leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 03 2011 08:04 GMT
#3951
On October 03 2011 16:26 Lorken wrote:
For pure ap build I like going tears > rabadon's > void staff > AA and usually you have a full tears by that time. IMO this lets you get cooldown boots instead of sorcerer ones


during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 08:17:16
October 03 2011 08:08 GMT
#3952
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote:
If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it

Even if Blue Buff got nerfed, it'd still be hard to justify AA staff until you have at least 1 Rod of Ages (and as far as stacking them goes, I'd rather have multiple Rods of Ages than multiple AA Staves).

On October 03 2011 17:04 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 16:26 Lorken wrote:
For pure ap build I like going tears > rabadon's > void staff > AA and usually you have a full tears by that time. IMO this lets you get cooldown boots instead of sorcerer ones


during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage.

Not to mention that there's very little reason to get Tear over Catalyst. Catalyst gives you superior sustain in lane (esp since it buffers your HP and your mana), and AA simply isn't cost-effective in comparison to Rod of Ages until you already have other significant mana sources (such as, guess what? Rod of Ages). Even with a fully charged Tear, AA Staff needs outside mana sources to be a cost-effective AP source.

Also, you really shouldn't ever get CDR boots on mana-using AP carries while blue buff exists as it does (and even on the non-mana AP carries it's a tossup--Kennen and Rumble aren't primarily cooldown-limited, so CDR boots don't make much sense on them either, making Vlad the only non-mana AP carry that uses CDR boots).
Moderator
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 03 2011 08:22 GMT
#3953
I think Morellos would see more usage if blue buff was nerfed.
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 08:50:16
October 03 2011 08:39 GMT
#3954
On October 03 2011 17:04 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 16:26 Lorken wrote:
For pure ap build I like going tears > rabadon's > void staff > AA and usually you have a full tears by that time. IMO this lets you get cooldown boots instead of sorcerer ones


during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage.

Woops, I forgot to mention I only do that with Viegar, AP is never a problem on him at all.

But even with casters like Kassadin/ Morgana I rely only on runes (and Doran ring on Morg) for ap until RoA is complete.

On October 03 2011 17:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 16:11 Brees wrote:
If blue buff eventually gets nerfed (which it should) then you'll see AA built more. its not necessarily weak its just blue buff is so strong that there's no point to get it

Even if Blue Buff got nerfed, it'd still be hard to justify AA staff until you have at least 1 Rod of Ages (and as far as stacking them goes, I'd rather have multiple Rods of Ages than multiple AA Staves).

Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:04 gtrsrs wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:26 Lorken wrote:
For pure ap build I like going tears > rabadon's > void staff > AA and usually you have a full tears by that time. IMO this lets you get cooldown boots instead of sorcerer ones


during the time that you have just boots and tear, before/while you build your rabaddon, your opposing AP will CRUSH your team while you do 0 damage.

Not to mention that there's very little reason to get Tear over Catalyst. Catalyst gives you superior sustain in lane (esp since it buffers your HP and your mana), and AA simply isn't cost-effective in comparison to Rod of Ages until you already have other significant mana sources (such as, guess what? Rod of Ages). Even with a fully charged Tear, AA Staff needs outside mana sources to be a cost-effective AP source.

Also, you really shouldn't ever get CDR boots on mana-using AP carries while blue buff exists as it does (and even on the non-mana AP carries it's a tossup--Kennen and Rumble aren't primarily cooldown-limited, so CDR boots don't make much sense on them either, making Vlad the only non-mana AP carry that uses CDR boots).


When you're playing a squishy, killing blue is rather hard (without losing much health) until you are at least level 11-12 and all games don't have junglers to help you get it or someone else could also take it as well. Another thing is that blue buff doesn't last forever and dying doesn't help it either.


On October 03 2011 17:22 ArC_man wrote:
I think Morellos would see more usage if blue buff was nerfed.


This is true, blue buff is way too strong, so is red buff vs Frozen mallet when playing ad carry
LOUD NOISES!!!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17242 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 08:42:19
October 03 2011 08:41 GMT
#3955
On October 03 2011 16:04 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 12:52 Craton wrote:
Maybe you should stop KSing them.

this is lane phase

Don't say that as if you aren't ksing from across lane.

+ Show Spoiler +
sarcasm over the internet, etc.
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2011 08:43 GMT
#3956
On October 03 2011 17:39 Lorken wrote:
Woops, I forgot to mention I only do that with Viegar, AP is never a problem on him at all.

That still begs the question why you're getting Tear instead of Catalyst or Codex->DFG.
Moderator
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 03 2011 08:46 GMT
#3957
On October 03 2011 16:59 esotericc wrote:
Is riot actually going to do something about the bad client structure/lack of esport features to catch up with its rising popularity? seems like a smart idea as it will almost decide the length the game goes in terms of rising popularity.

Stuff like at IEM with no pause and tons of disconnects leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth.


Well, it's not Riot fault most of the time.
The IEM fiasco come from the chinese launcher, which was made by the compagny who own LoL in China ( don't remember the name ) and they had the good idea to make it unusable on Window 64 bits. And IEM was full of... ye you get it, Window 64 bits computer.
They had problems with the launcher being one patch behind too i think.


" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17242 Posts
October 03 2011 08:48 GMT
#3958
On October 03 2011 16:59 esotericc wrote:
Is riot actually going to do something about the bad client structure/lack of esport features to catch up with its rising popularity? seems like a smart idea as it will almost decide the length the game goes in terms of rising popularity.

Stuff like at IEM with no pause and tons of disconnects leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth.

Soon(tm)
twitch.tv/cratonz
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 09:31:45
October 03 2011 09:30 GMT
#3959
Tear is still better than catalyst on kassa, and bluebuff doesn't give 40% cdr so cdr boots aren't all that bad even with blue buff since blue doesn't have 100% uptime either.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 03 2011 09:37 GMT
#3960
On October 03 2011 18:30 JackDino wrote:
Tear is still better than catalyst on kassa, and bluebuff doesn't give 40% cdr so cdr boots aren't all that bad even with blue buff since blue doesn't have 100% uptime either.


blue buff + blue pot +masteries =40
And all is illuminated.
Prev 1 196 197 198 199 200 218 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 47m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 90
Aegong 35
yabsab 7
League of Legends
Trikslyr52
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K974
flusha587
Super Smash Bros
PPMD91
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu729
Other Games
tarik_tv16780
C9.Mang0633
shahzam543
mouzStarbuck337
Mew2King85
Sick79
UpATreeSC59
ProTech46
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 61
• davetesta37
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21573
League of Legends
• TFBlade1391
Other Games
• imaqtpie1636
• Scarra693
• Shiphtur366
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 47m
RSL Revival
11h 47m
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
WardiTV Qualifier
17h 47m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 1h
RSL Revival
1d 11h
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
SC Evo League
4 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.