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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 03 2011 00:47 GMT
#3901
Ugh, so close to 1800 yet so far =(
I was like 1 game away and then I keep losingggggggggg ;;
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 03 2011 00:52 GMT
#3902
On October 03 2011 09:46 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 09:39 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:38 TheYango wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:30 Hakker wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:17 Caller wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:09 Hakker wrote:
Ok so I just got banned for a day for 'leaving'. My leave percentage is .01 (21 leaves, 1300 games)

You can't explain that.

alternatively you could explain that as saying that you wasted 21 games x 9 players x 20 minutes = 3780 minutes = 63 manhours, at a rate of 10$ an hour = $630.
your punishment of 24 manhours is minor.


Personally I think the 3900 man hours that I've chosen to use to grace this game with my presence should outweight that number.

That you've played 1300 games doesn't make it "ok" to leave games.

LeaverBuster is designed such that a low rate of leaving is excusable as aspects out of your control do happen. Deliberate leaving is supposed to be punished, and the way it's implemented isn't to give people who play a lot freebies--but rather if there's enough leaving in a short time, it's clear that it's deliberate and not uncontrolled factors.

Deliberate leaving shouldn't necessarily be punished. I'd like to hear the justification from the person who said it's supposed to be punished.


Under what circumstances do you believe deliberately leaving a game shouldn't be punished?


Well on the other hand, there can be extenuating circumstances that can't be fairly evaluated... If my power goes out for the next 15 minutes, it looks the exact same as not planning for a full game or being a rage-quit. Not to say it should go unpunished, but it should be unevenly enforced.
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 03 2011 00:55 GMT
#3903
On October 03 2011 09:11 r.Evo wrote:
Random question, I know we had this discussion before but I can't fucking find it.

Streaming for retards, how to?

JustinTV vs own3d.

Pros & Cons?


I still got an account on livestream back from when I streamed SC2 beta, but for some reason no one uses it anymore. :S


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226074
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 03 2011 00:57 GMT
#3904
On October 03 2011 09:52 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 09:46 STS17 wrote:
On October 03 2011 09:39 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:38 TheYango wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:30 Hakker wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:17 Caller wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:09 Hakker wrote:
Ok so I just got banned for a day for 'leaving'. My leave percentage is .01 (21 leaves, 1300 games)

You can't explain that.

alternatively you could explain that as saying that you wasted 21 games x 9 players x 20 minutes = 3780 minutes = 63 manhours, at a rate of 10$ an hour = $630.
your punishment of 24 manhours is minor.


Personally I think the 3900 man hours that I've chosen to use to grace this game with my presence should outweight that number.

That you've played 1300 games doesn't make it "ok" to leave games.

LeaverBuster is designed such that a low rate of leaving is excusable as aspects out of your control do happen. Deliberate leaving is supposed to be punished, and the way it's implemented isn't to give people who play a lot freebies--but rather if there's enough leaving in a short time, it's clear that it's deliberate and not uncontrolled factors.

Deliberate leaving shouldn't necessarily be punished. I'd like to hear the justification from the person who said it's supposed to be punished.


Under what circumstances do you believe deliberately leaving a game shouldn't be punished?


Well on the other hand, there can be extenuating circumstances that can't be fairly evaluated... If my power goes out for the next 15 minutes, it looks the exact same as not planning for a full game or being a rage-quit. Not to say it should go unpunished, but it should be unevenly enforced.


I'm not entirely certain how accidental issues resulting in a leave is even remotely relevant in a discussion about deliberate, intentional leaves.

Your circumstance is already filtered out in the current system, which generally punishes players for "clusters" of leaves in their games (a higher density of leaves more probably indicates intentional leaving then accidental causes because it's unlikely a player will continue to try to play throughout persistent technical problems on their end).

Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 01:08:55
October 03 2011 01:08 GMT
#3905
Every single game I've left has been because of internet going out, power going out, or me legitimately needing to leave at that moment without warning. I think out of 2k games I've left like 5-10. zzzz
Even if I'm batshit raging cause I'm in a pissy mood and things are just going really bad, I more or less just go into afk solo q farm mode instead of actually leaving the game. Cause I think leaving is so stupid. :|
Now what's the excuse of people who have 50+ leaves out of under 1k games?
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 03 2011 01:18 GMT
#3906
chat is broken, need to relog to see friend list, please tell everyone to relog
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 03 2011 01:19 GMT
#3907
On October 03 2011 09:47 HazMat wrote:
Ugh, so close to 1800 yet so far =(
I was like 1 game away and then I keep losingggggggggg ;;


cant even get to 1500 since I get an afker in at least 33% of my games haha. waiting for it to happen to the other team but it never does...
Brees on in
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
October 03 2011 01:22 GMT
#3908
On October 03 2011 10:08 BlackPaladin wrote:
Every single game I've left has been because of internet going out, power going out, or me legitimately needing to leave at that moment without warning. I think out of 2k games I've left like 5-10. zzzz
Even if I'm batshit raging cause I'm in a pissy mood and things are just going really bad, I more or less just go into afk solo q farm mode instead of actually leaving the game. Cause I think leaving is so stupid. :|
Now what's the excuse of people who have 50+ leaves out of under 1k games?


Probably like that for most people. I think I have 15~ leaves and I guarantee at least like 13 maybe all 15 were DC.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 03 2011 01:23 GMT
#3909
On October 03 2011 09:46 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 09:39 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:38 TheYango wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:30 Hakker wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:17 Caller wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:09 Hakker wrote:
Ok so I just got banned for a day for 'leaving'. My leave percentage is .01 (21 leaves, 1300 games)

You can't explain that.

alternatively you could explain that as saying that you wasted 21 games x 9 players x 20 minutes = 3780 minutes = 63 manhours, at a rate of 10$ an hour = $630.
your punishment of 24 manhours is minor.


Personally I think the 3900 man hours that I've chosen to use to grace this game with my presence should outweight that number.

That you've played 1300 games doesn't make it "ok" to leave games.

LeaverBuster is designed such that a low rate of leaving is excusable as aspects out of your control do happen. Deliberate leaving is supposed to be punished, and the way it's implemented isn't to give people who play a lot freebies--but rather if there's enough leaving in a short time, it's clear that it's deliberate and not uncontrolled factors.

Deliberate leaving shouldn't necessarily be punished. I'd like to hear the justification from the person who said it's supposed to be punished.


Whatever excuse you have for leaving a game, it punishes the other four people on your team and takes away at least 20 or more minutes of their life. If you have some sort of life commitment you should have planned for it, or if it's a one time thing you're not going to get punished for it. If you're leaving games because you want to spite your team or because they won't surrender, you're going against why there's a 4/1 vote for surrender.

Do you have a quote/link with the precise wording?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Arthemesia
Profile Joined May 2011
United States292 Posts
October 03 2011 01:28 GMT
#3910
On October 03 2011 10:19 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 09:47 HazMat wrote:
Ugh, so close to 1800 yet so far =(
I was like 1 game away and then I keep losingggggggggg ;;


cant even get to 1500 since I get an afker in at least 33% of my games haha. waiting for it to happen to the other team but it never does...


I feel you bro just some days it feels like the matchmaking gods are just against you no matter what you do.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 03 2011 01:34 GMT
#3911
whoever has iaeuy/blazeraid/inept online please tell them to relog or i can't see them on my f list.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 01:39:31
October 03 2011 01:38 GMT
#3912
On October 03 2011 09:46 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 09:39 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:38 TheYango wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:30 Hakker wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:17 Caller wrote:
On October 03 2011 08:09 Hakker wrote:
Ok so I just got banned for a day for 'leaving'. My leave percentage is .01 (21 leaves, 1300 games)

You can't explain that.

alternatively you could explain that as saying that you wasted 21 games x 9 players x 20 minutes = 3780 minutes = 63 manhours, at a rate of 10$ an hour = $630.
your punishment of 24 manhours is minor.


Personally I think the 3900 man hours that I've chosen to use to grace this game with my presence should outweight that number.

That you've played 1300 games doesn't make it "ok" to leave games.

LeaverBuster is designed such that a low rate of leaving is excusable as aspects out of your control do happen. Deliberate leaving is supposed to be punished, and the way it's implemented isn't to give people who play a lot freebies--but rather if there's enough leaving in a short time, it's clear that it's deliberate and not uncontrolled factors.

Deliberate leaving shouldn't necessarily be punished. I'd like to hear the justification from the person who said it's supposed to be punished.


Under what circumstances do you believe deliberately leaving a game shouldn't be punished?

emergency, there's no victim, technical problems that significantly worsen the game (lag, bugs, etc) that the leaver isn't responsible for, evening the teams (opponent had leaver), victim of significant griefing

basically, when things out of your control ruin your game, you should have the right to leave it. and when your leaving doesn't fuck anyone over, you should have the right to leave. and then there's the extreme situations (emergency) when you should be able to leave because you have a really good reason
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 01:53:07
October 03 2011 01:48 GMT
#3913
Why do people at high ELO play this game? It seems so miserable up there...hell, low and mid ELO is like that as well...so why play this game if it is not fun?

btw, this is based off of watching streams...
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 01:52:16
October 03 2011 01:51 GMT
#3914
Leaves are typically not tracked when compensation mode is enabled to do serves fuckin' up. It's true that the client sometimes craps out, but I've never (in like 1700 games) had a game where I couldn't get back in because of Riot's client.

Sometimes you lose internet or power or have a family emergency, but these are all rare events. If it happens enough that you're appearing in tribunal / getting suspensions, then you should be re-evaluating when you're choosing to play the game.

That said, leaving to "even teams" is still griefing your own team. You're actively making a decision that hurts your team's chance to win. If you leave a game you're griefed, you can't report them. You should just screw around until it's over and then put in the report so they'll end up banned. Otherwise, they win.


On October 03 2011 10:48 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people at high ELO play this game? It seems so miserable up there...hell, low and mid ELO is like that as well...so why play this game if it is not fun?

/ignore
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 03 2011 01:55 GMT
#3915
Wait were supposed to play games for fun? That's so not how being the best works.
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taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
October 03 2011 01:55 GMT
#3916
On October 03 2011 10:48 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people at high ELO play this game? It seems so miserable up there...hell, low and mid ELO is like that as well...so why play this game if it is not fun?

btw, this is based off of watching streams...


what streams do you watch that makes it seem miserable? it's a pretty fun game at any rank, its only the people who seriously care about solo que elo that have a miserable time, and they tend to not get high elo anyways
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 03 2011 01:56 GMT
#3917
On October 03 2011 10:18 zulu_nation8 wrote:
chat is broken, need to relog to see friend list, please tell everyone to relog


Relogging doesn't help and you can't invite people by typing their name in either
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
October 03 2011 01:57 GMT
#3918
On October 03 2011 10:08 BlackPaladin wrote:
Every single game I've left has been because of internet going out, power going out, or me legitimately needing to leave at that moment without warning. I think out of 2k games I've left like 5-10. zzzz
Even if I'm batshit raging cause I'm in a pissy mood and things are just going really bad, I more or less just go into afk solo q farm mode instead of actually leaving the game. Cause I think leaving is so stupid. :|
Now what's the excuse of people who have 50+ leaves out of under 1k games?


Dude like 8 of those have been with me. YOU REAL TROLL ME BP
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 02:00:24
October 03 2011 01:59 GMT
#3919
On October 03 2011 10:55 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 10:48 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people at high ELO play this game? It seems so miserable up there...hell, low and mid ELO is like that as well...so why play this game if it is not fun?

btw, this is based off of watching streams...


what streams do you watch that makes it seem miserable? it's a pretty fun game at any rank, its only the people who seriously care about solo que elo that have a miserable time, and they tend to not get high elo anyways

I watch all streams. Some of the streamers get butthurt over everything (HotShot and Dyrus) while some are really chill for a MOBA player (Dan and Westrice) but in almost every single game, there is always at least one, usually more who bitches and whines like a little kid at the store who cannot get his Captain Crunch.
And all the QQ sometimes makes me wonder if many Liquidites have fun.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 03 2011 02:02 GMT
#3920
On October 03 2011 10:48 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people at high ELO play this game? It seems so miserable up there...hell, low and mid ELO is like that as well...so why play this game if it is not fun?

btw, this is based off of watching streams...

High Elo is a lot more fun than lower Elos. High Elo has a lot less players so you know almost everyone. Makes it a lot more fun~
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