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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:07 EquilasH wrote: When I've been watching Smash he doesn't take gp5 items, and he plays a pretty mean Karma. That's what I was thinking,I was sure I need to go full out on gp5 items as supprot but than I read this novel http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-comprehensive-karma-72191 and my Karma play became pretty beast so idk. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:23 TheKefka wrote: That's what I was thinking,I was sure I need to go full out on gp5 items as supprot but than I read this novel http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-comprehensive-karma-72191 and my Karma play became pretty beast so idk. Don't see why that item build is good. I usually do triple dorans -> dcap -> wota -> void like with per say, brand. Works like a charm tbh | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:23 TheKefka wrote: That's what I was thinking,I was sure I need to go full out on gp5 items as supprot but than I read this novel http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-comprehensive-karma-72191 and my Karma play became pretty beast so idk. that karma guide is pretty terrible IMO, but whatever works for you. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:27 Mogwai wrote: that karma guide is pretty terrible IMO, but whatever works for you. Maybe,idk,but the reason I like it is because I due que with a friend(xin mostly, sometimes vayne) and bait all day like the guide says and we get fb almost every game and just roll our lanes.I do agree that in a very passive game you might be gimped but I'm not a pro so.. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 04 2011 01:29 JackDino wrote: Yes except there are too many idiots out there that actually follow it. OMG [random T4 champ] SUCKS DONT PICK IT HES BAD etc etc, that's the kind of stuff I see because of stuff like elementz tier list(which is garbage anyways). you're not seeing that because of a tier list. It's because at low elo everyone thinks champ selection 90% decides the game... Which is just an idea stupid people naturally gravitate to. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:30 TheKefka wrote: Maybe,idk,but the reason I like it is because I due que with a friend(xin mostly, sometimes vayne) and bait all day like the guide says and we get fb almost every game and just roll our lanes.I do agree that in a very passive game you might be gimped but I'm not a pro so.. I mean, the guy wrote the guide at level 25 and lists fortify and heal as good summoner spell options. Again, if this works for you, w/e, do what you will, but at high level it's a bad guide. I'll probably go ahead and write a team liquid Karma guide in the not too distant future, but don't feel bad using a guide like that. Low level play is all sorts of different and it's fine to just go with the flow until you get better. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:43 UniversalSnip wrote: you're not seeing that because of a tier list. It's because at low elo everyone thinks champ selection 90% decides the game... Which is just an idea stupid people naturally gravitate to. +1 I often play games with TL guys that we win with shitty team comp. Soraka Teut carry all day. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:43 UniversalSnip wrote: you're not seeing that because of a tier list. It's because at low elo everyone thinks champ selection 90% decides the game... Which is just an idea stupid people naturally gravitate to. yeah.. I hear this a lot but honestly at my elo 1300-1400ish, where I have been hovering a lot lately, it just really does seem that champ selection makes a big difference. When I see good picks/composition from my team I feel like there really is a much higher chance of us winning and that's generally the case.. Maybe it's just because the players tend to be better when they don't make retarded picks. and also im sorry but when your team picks 3 ranged ad, no support, and no jungler.. you probably aren't going to win the game. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:58 travis wrote: yeah.. I hear this a lot but honestly at my elo 1300-1400ish, where I have been hovering a lot lately, it just really does seem that champ selection makes a big difference. When I see good picks/composition from my team I feel like there really is a much higher chance of us winning and that's generally the case.. Maybe it's just because the players tend to be better when they don't make retarded picks. and also im sorry but when your team picks 3 ranged ad, no support, and no jungler.. you probably aren't going to win the game. I had a game last night with Talon, Pantheon, GP, and Jungle AD Sion as the first four picks. We stomped them even though I gave up FB on Pantheon when Noct level 2 ganked bot lane and killed both me and my support GP. This was at 1550-1600ish. Team comp means nothing at this elo unless your team rages about it. If you all make goofy picks and are OK with it, everything works out just fine. Our 5th pick was Malz fwiw. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On October 03 2011 22:02 Craton wrote: If you can't afford Mejai on Sona, you're a bad Sona. It's just better to buy things like Shurelya's Reverie in almost every scenario. More like, by the time you can afford Mejai, you are either so grossly outclassing your opponents that it's irrelevant, or it's so late in the game that one team fight will probably decide the outcome of the game, and it's better to buy something that affects the game NOW (aka shurelyia, or possibly randuin). | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:48 -Zoda- wrote: +1 I often play games with TL guys that we win with shitty team comp. Soraka Teut carry all day. Honestly, I've had the opposite. I've played games where the enemy honestly outplayed us for 90% of the game (lost 2 lanes, kills way stacked against us, etc), but once team fights started we had a much better composition and just rolled them and got to free push. I guess it depends on a lot of things. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
As long as your team makes any semblance of sense (i.e. you have a way to initiate, push towers, and some team fight capability) it's fine. Most games are lost not because of champion picks but because your team lost lanes and/or got picked at stupid times late game by failing to ward/group up. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On October 04 2011 03:03 Mogwai wrote: I had a game last night with Talon, Pantheon, GP, and Jungle AD Sion as the first four picks. We stomped them even though I gave up FB on Pantheon when Noct level 2 ganked bot lane and killed both me and my support GP. This was at 1550-1600ish. Team comp means nothing at this elo unless your team rages about it. If you all make goofy picks and are OK with it, everything works out just fine. Our 5th pick was Malz fwiw. GP with AD-heavy team real pro though. Press E = much damage for everyone. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 04 2011 02:12 Slayer91 wrote: Support karma (when i wanna play karma but they dont give me mid) TRIPLE gold/5 items because you need to steal as much farm as possible to be useful. Protip: Become more useful by not wasting money on triple gold/10. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 04 2011 03:35 Seuss wrote: As long as your team makes any semblance of sense (i.e. you have a way to initiate, push towers, and some team fight capability) it's fine. Most games are lost not because of champion picks but because your team lost lanes and/or got picked at stupid times late game by failing to ward/group up. False. The generally accepted "balanced" teamcomp contains all of those things. If lol comps were analogous to fighting games, this would be your standard balanced fighter, good at everything, great at nothing. That does not mean that it is the only way to play. It is perfectly acceptable to run, say an extra bruiser and pull out the ranged ad. As long as you arent fighting under a tower, your team is going to be much stronger than the opponents'. Or trade the bruiser for an extra ap, and go for quick bursty teamfights instead of longer, drawn out ones and the ability to initiate anywhere you want. Dont be trapped by the confines of standard. It only serves to limit your ability to win if you step a tiny bit outside your comfort zone. | ||
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