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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 03 2011 18:45 GMT
#4041
still pissed that I got karma and her two skins free, got trolled so hard

sub 1600 elo atm id say its better to not have a support at all or at least a support that can output some sort of damage. IMO the best supports right now are sona, nidalee, and alistar
Brees on in
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 03 2011 18:56 GMT
#4042
On October 04 2011 03:45 Brees wrote:
still pissed that I got karma and her two skins free, got trolled so hard

sub 1600 elo atm id say its better to not have a support at all or at least a support that can output some sort of damage. IMO the best supports right now are sona, nidalee, and alistar

Eh speaking as someone who is playing Cait/Kog <1600 right now, all I want is a support who can occasionally drop a heal.
Nobody seems to ban Kog or Cait, so one of the two should be available, and both do pretty well with just someone to keep them healed up until they get a Wriggles (get that shit in low elo, always!).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 03 2011 18:57 GMT
#4043
On October 04 2011 03:40 HazMat wrote:
I have yet to see a solo Karma do something other than win her lane. I agree with spud, if you want to cheese mid then pick Janna or Soraka or even Taric. TLers and Redditors have a real weird boner for Karma.

fuck you, my boner for Karma isn't weird, she's the best.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 03 2011 18:58 GMT
#4044
On October 04 2011 03:45 Brees wrote:
still pissed that I got karma and her two skins free, got trolled so hard

sub 1600 elo atm id say its better to not have a support at all or at least a support that can output some sort of damage. IMO the best supports right now are sona, nidalee, and alistar


lolol I got talon and skins free
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 03 2011 19:01 GMT
#4045
Lol I got 20 champs + goth annie free.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
October 03 2011 19:10 GMT
#4046
I also want free champs
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 19:15:57
October 03 2011 19:12 GMT
#4047
On October 04 2011 03:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 03:35 Seuss wrote:
As long as your team makes any semblance of sense (i.e. you have a way to initiate, push towers, and some team fight capability) it's fine. Most games are lost not because of champion picks but because your team lost lanes and/or got picked at stupid times late game by failing to ward/group up.

False. The generally accepted "balanced" teamcomp contains all of those things. If lol comps were analogous to fighting games, this would be your standard balanced fighter, good at everything, great at nothing.

That does not mean that it is the only way to play. It is perfectly acceptable to run, say an extra bruiser and pull out the ranged ad. As long as you arent fighting under a tower, your team is going to be much stronger than the opponents'. Or trade the bruiser for an extra ap, and go for quick bursty teamfights instead of longer, drawn out ones and the ability to initiate anywhere you want.

Dont be trapped by the confines of standard. It only serves to limit your ability to win if you step a tiny bit outside your comfort zone.


You misunderstand me. The paragraph you quoted is making the same point you're making. I can see why it might be confusing because my first paragraph was focused on a completely different point (i.e. it barely matters what champion you pick for a given role). But the overall point of the second paragraph was that the most important aspects of team composition aren't champion roles but the three team capabilities I listed.

It doesn't matter whether you push turrets via ranged AD poke, split pushing, bruiser bumrush, AoE death zones or whatever else, just as long as you have a way to do it that works.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
October 03 2011 19:20 GMT
#4048
On October 04 2011 03:23 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 02:48 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 04 2011 02:43 UniversalSnip wrote:

you're not seeing that because of a tier list. It's because at low elo everyone thinks champ selection 90% decides the game... Which is just an idea stupid people naturally gravitate to.

+1
I often play games with TL guys that we win with shitty team comp. Soraka Teut carry all day.

Honestly, I've had the opposite. I've played games where the enemy honestly outplayed us for 90% of the game (lost 2 lanes, kills way stacked against us, etc), but once team fights started we had a much better composition and just rolled them and got to free push. I guess it depends on a lot of things.


If it's solo que, and they have gank happy heroes, that suck in team fights, and you have the aoe team fight lockdown, + aoe damage squad, your probably gonna win the game, since people don't know how to position properly.. I think everyones won the games from 15-25 kills behind cause mummy/galio/morgana/fiddle/rumble/annie, etc etc got a good ult on an overextended fed team.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 03 2011 19:23 GMT
#4049
You misunderstand the point I'm making. You dont need all three of those team capabilities. Push teams work because they forgo teamfighting entirely and focus only on killing turrets.

You may be willing to take a step away from champion roles, but the next important step that a lot of people arent willing to make is that it is perfectly acceptable to abandon one game goal if the payoff is the ability to do another much better than the other team.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 03 2011 19:28 GMT
#4050
Out of all the game goals, I don't think being able to push is one you should carelessly abandon.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 03 2011 19:34 GMT
#4051
On October 04 2011 03:39 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 02:12 Slayer91 wrote:
Support karma (when i wanna play karma but they dont give me mid) TRIPLE gold/5 items because you need to steal as much farm as possible to be useful.

Protip: Become more useful by not wasting money on triple gold/10.


Meh, the hog and kage work as a mini rod of ages and the philo is just for lane. You just get them super fast by not buying wards and stealing farm and you can get a deathcap at a reasonable time.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 03 2011 19:35 GMT
#4052
Hey MoonBear, you know if the Champ Spotlight is gonna be today or tomorrow?
It's your boy Guzma!
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 03 2011 19:39 GMT
#4053
Playing support I feel so bad as I really feel I have no say whatsoever in how the game goes. At least that is how I feel when I play support Taric. I don't know I try to keep my lanebuddy top'd off try to stun when it looks like a good time to do so yet I just keep watching the game blow up on us. I am not sure if it's me or just the team or some combination of both.

I feel my Taric is cursed. Maybe I should of just went with sona. pretty hard to mess up the sit around and look like you're doing something other then just aura switching
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
October 03 2011 19:46 GMT
#4054
It's weird how always when I play irelia I feeL useless until I get triforce. Is this just me? I dont even understand mathemathically how triforce makes irelia unstoppable force. Its 150% sheen, slow, some ad and as. But everytime I get triforce I'm unstoppable
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 03 2011 19:48 GMT
#4055
On October 04 2011 04:46 epoc wrote:
It's weird how always when I play irelia I feeL useless until I get triforce. Is this just me? I dont even understand mathemathically how triforce makes irelia unstoppable force. Its 150% sheen, slow, some ad and as. But everytime I get triforce I'm unstoppable

Triforce grants you your wish, didn't you know.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 03 2011 19:50 GMT
#4056
Pre-Triforce you can't stick to an enemy nearly as well as with it (should be able to simulate this fairly well with Sheen and redbuff as a comparison). but the extra health and movespeed make trying to get rid of you next to impossible.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 03 2011 19:53 GMT
#4057
With support Taric I guess you don't have much of a chance to really influence the game significantly through gameplay (chat is a whole different matter). Some clutch stuns are the best you can do, and now you don't even get the extended stun duration anymore, so meh.

Sona can be pretty huge in teamfights with her ultimate (and the constant aura/heal etc spam, but you never notice those).
Soraka with her ulti and instant silence to cancel channels is pretty strong, but there's not too much skill involved in pressing R so it's kinda not very spectacular.
Alistar has quite the teamfight presence.
Janna is really good for catching enemies with her speed and all the CC. Her ulti is extremely strong and can be anything from HUGE SUCCESS to YOU JUST LOST US THE GAME.

So yeah, switch your support choices up a bit if you want to have more noticeable impact. Taric is rather underwhelming right now, his big selling point is the combination of ranged targeted stun + heal (and ok lvl 6 burst).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 03 2011 19:54 GMT
#4058
People so bail on champ selection waaaay too much. Sometimes like 5 in a row before a game will begin :\ It is kinda retarded though when some people do shit like ban shaco/eve then moan that they should have banned twitch and that someone neeeds to take twitch asap lol then basically say "no one trys at this game so why should I". Pretty much guaranteed a que dodge.
Never Knows Best.
Snowster
Profile Joined June 2003
United States78 Posts
October 03 2011 20:11 GMT
#4059
On October 04 2011 03:57 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 03:40 HazMat wrote:
I have yet to see a solo Karma do something other than win her lane. I agree with spud, if you want to cheese mid then pick Janna or Soraka or even Taric. TLers and Redditors have a real weird boner for Karma.

fuck you, my boner for Karma isn't weird, she's the best.


Plz keep it in your pants, this is my girlfriend you're talking about.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 03 2011 20:20 GMT
#4060
On October 04 2011 03:45 Brees wrote:
still SOOO EXCITED that I got karma and her two skins free, got HOT BLACK GIRL OHHHH YEAH so hard

sub 1600 elo atm id say its better to not have a support at all or at least a support that can output some sort of damage. IMO the best supports right now are KARMA AND ONLY KARMA

i fix it for you!!
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