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On September 01 2011 06:54 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 06:34 HyperionDreamer wrote:On September 01 2011 05:04 Odds wrote:
SKARNER'S PASSIVE MAKES CDR, AP, AND ATTACK SPEED SCALE MULTIPLICATIVELY.
Simply put, you can cut your cooldowns in half with CDR, and then cut them in half AGAIN with attack speed. Except with the attack speed, there is practically no upper limit to how much you can reduce your cooldowns.
So when you have 31% CDR, 82%aspd and 148AP from masteries, Nashor's Tooth, and GRB, in a teamfight you can have your shield permenently up, refreshing something like every 3 seconds, Q about once per second, and E about once every 4 seconds.
Needless to say, I think Sheen is a red herring.
The optimum build is something like:
boots 1
Chalice
Nashor's
GRB
Zerks/Mercs/Swifts
SV
Wit's End/Bloodrazor, depending on the aspd cap, I'm not sure how many items it takes to max it out. I have a burning hatred for everything that is Nashor's Tooth, since I just think it's a shitty item in general - it combines a bunch of stats (mp5, ap, as, cdr) that generally don't work together on any hero. However, I think the way we're playing skarner actually works OK with nashors tooth. I would suggest GRB before nash though, since he can keep that stacked up almost as well as Nidalee can. Got to try this soon. On September 01 2011 05:04 barbsq wrote:to be fair tho, cata is a brokenass POS item that you still have to get on EVERYBODY edit: fixed edit 2: zalz, 1400 elo is nothing. i've scared 1400 before and i know shit all about this game compared to people like uta/smash/loci. to be honest, you're making yourself look really silly. I'd rather get Philo over Chalice and therefore Shurelyas over SV. GRB is cool, Nashors tooth probably could be too, didn't test that out yet. The real trouble: Offensive items, np: Wits / GRB / Nashors. Defensive Items: Shurelyas/SV / ?????? Atmogs? =P
Wits end real item for AS/Mres. Madreds Bloodrazer real item for AS/Armor. After that, I don't know. Maybe throw in a Frozen Mallet for HP pool?
lol edit: didn't see you already wrote wits end.
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I been trying to make a Gunblade Nunu build that works off the jungle. Halp pls.
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On September 01 2011 07:16 Juicyfruit wrote:
I been trying to make a Gunblade Nunu build that works off the jungle. Halp pls.
Spellvamp is super fun on Nunu, but why Gunblade and not WotA? Not like you need the slow.
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Because you can shott and cut with gunblade as opposed to... reading :/
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On September 01 2011 07:20 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 07:16 Juicyfruit wrote:
I been trying to make a Gunblade Nunu build that works off the jungle. Halp pls. Spellvamp is super fun on Nunu, but why Gunblade and not WotA? Not like you need the slow.
SLOW THREE PEOPLE AT ONCE
ONE WITH WHITE POKEBALL
ONE WITH GUNBLADE
ONE WITH RED BUFF
Dude do you ever need a reason to build Gunblade? :o
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Gunblade for 1) more slow 2) more deeps (= faster jungle)
my nunu core is Revolver SV Deathcap Veil WotA
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In either case I don't see why you'd need help. Since when has Nunu needed more guidelines on what to build than Boots->whatever the fuck you want?
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This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight.
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On September 01 2011 06:54 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 06:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 01 2011 06:43 Brees wrote:On September 01 2011 06:09 unichan wrote:On September 01 2011 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I've never been on a tilting streak so bad in my gaming career...
Been out of power since Saturday, playing on a shitty laptop and a generator, and I'm really fed up with it. Keep getting shitty teammates, and then I end up tilting HARD.
WTB cures... go hug a cat or a dog go do something charitable call your mommy and tell her you love her call your daddy and tell him you love him watch your favorite sitcom make yourself a smoothie etc hug unichan imo Unichan must be a god or something. As soon as I read his post I got power back ^_^ Wrong pronoun.
her*
sowwy *hug unichan*
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On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight.
That's what nunu is. Earlygame strength and lategame all he does is provide slows + speed buff for carry. Peel is in the form of his ult cause nobody wants to take a full nunu ult in the face.
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On September 01 2011 07:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 07:01 HazMat wrote:
Dunno I just don't like theorycrafting in LoL. There's so many ideas that would be considered "dumb" but they turn out to be really strong after people began to bandwagon them. Remember when Warmogs was considered awful because it "only gave health for 3k gold" and Eve was awful because Oracles countered her. I just play something and if I like it, I'll stick with it. I don't care if people do the math against it or come up with some reasons why it would be bad. While I agree with the idea of this post, I'm not sure I like the examples, seeing as neither of those are "theorycrafting" more than "low elo misconceptions". If anything, it's the theorycrafting that suggested that Warmog's raw cost-effectiveness post-buff would be really strong, well before people actually started using it commonly.
Yeah, all the theorycrafting about Warmog's being bad was mostly pre-buff. Also, the big defensive items everyone used to always go for weren't hit with nerfs until several patches later (except GA, which was nerffed earlier), which is why it took a while for theorycrafters to realize how good Warmog's really was.
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On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight.
He's a support hero that controls positioning. Snowball messes up people trying to hit the squishies (esp if they're AA based) and also cuts down DPS from AA heroes like ranged AD. Ult makes people scatter, or forces crucial CC, and/or does a lot of damage. Speed boosts key targets to ensure that they get to their position faster or maintain, etc.
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On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight.
You just described nunu's role! Have a cookie!
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I'm pretty sure warmogs was terrible... every other tank item has gotten nerfed and warmogs has gotten mightily buffed
On September 01 2011 06:47 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 06:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
so what is the counterplay to malz in lane? I don't know what my plan is, generally. you dont want to let him push the lane freely from lvl 1 onwards, once he starts with it u cant touch him because he has a million creeps on his side.
that's pretty much what I wanted to know, thanks
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On September 01 2011 07:36 HazMat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cne_F8Am89o Ward hopping es op.
Epic video shake. As soon as LS dashed to that ward, I saw what was coming l0l. Well played.
On September 01 2011 07:57 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight. He's a support hero that controls positioning. Snowball messes up people trying to hit the squishies (esp if they're AA based) and also cuts down DPS from AA heroes like ranged AD. Ult makes people scatter, or forces crucial CC, and/or does a lot of damage. Speed boosts key targets to ensure that they get to their position faster or maintain, etc.
OK, it's good to know that I'm not missing something serious with regards to playing Nunu. With regards to items, do you guys build any AP on him at all, or do you just pretty much build 100% defense? Some people do cata->roa but I've been trying fast BVeil instead. The +health, mres, and spellblock is real strong, but I feel like it makes him useless in every other aspect that's not initiating with a giant ulti.
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I honestly think that you have to build according to the game, with Nunu. Sometimes you need to tank, sometimes you need to output as much damage as you humanly can, sometimes you want to have some auras, etc.
I will say that I think Nunu has a few niche roles currently that most people don't realize. Like messes up Garen and to an extent Singed in lane, as well as most medium-ranged AD carries, while also being a pretty solid support hero in bot lane, lol.
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On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight.
Nunu is just a support bot. You'll never get enough farm to be relevant outside of ganks and team fights. His auto is really shitty, so there goes the AD option. His AP ratios are decent but you never get good farm as Nunu (has doesn't really have a farming skill unless you want to Abs Zero a huge creep wave, hurr hurr). So tank/support Nunu seems like the only option left. Riot did give him an obscene ratio on his ulti though, so if you do manage to get enough AP, it's gg.
Edit: wow, fml. I go play a game, start reading this new page without scrolling down. I've just rehashed like 4 people above me. So gud...
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On September 01 2011 08:12 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight. Nunu is just a support bot. You'll never get enough farm to be relevant outside of ganks and team fights. His auto is really shitty, so there goes the AD option. His AP ratios are decent but you never get good farm as Nunu (has doesn't really have a farming skill unless you want to Abs Zero a huge creep wave, hurr hurr). So tank/support Nunu seems like the only option left. Riot did give him an obscene ratio on his ulti though, so if you do manage to get enough AP, it's gg. Edit: wow, fml. I go play a game, start reading this new page without scrolling down. I've just rehashed like 4 people above me. So gud...
AP Nunu is real hilarious in low-level games (for you guys low level is my elo, for me low level is playing with my friends who do AD janna and other stupid stuff), since teams let you get your full channel ulti off for like 2k damage. Imma see if I can record a video from the other day where I literally one shotted 3 people with my ulti for a triple kill.
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On September 01 2011 08:14 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 08:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 01 2011 07:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
This is the problem I have with playing Nunu. I really like the amount he can counterjungle people and provide strong ganks early on, but I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO EVER BUILD. I've been going fast BVeil (oddone does this a lot, but I still don't really like it) into other tank items.
I feel like he's just a walking ultbot in teamfights and after that, he basically just speeds someone up and runs around throwing snowballs which don't really affect the rest of the fight. Nunu is just a support bot. You'll never get enough farm to be relevant outside of ganks and team fights. His auto is really shitty, so there goes the AD option. His AP ratios are decent but you never get good farm as Nunu (has doesn't really have a farming skill unless you want to Abs Zero a huge creep wave, hurr hurr). So tank/support Nunu seems like the only option left. Riot did give him an obscene ratio on his ulti though, so if you do manage to get enough AP, it's gg. Edit: wow, fml. I go play a game, start reading this new page without scrolling down. I've just rehashed like 4 people above me. So gud... AP Nunu is real hilarious in low-level games (for you guys low level is my elo, for me low level is playing with my friends who do AD janna and other stupid stuff), since teams let you get your full channel ulti off for like 2k damage. Imma see if I can record a video from the other day where I literally one shotted 3 people with my ulti for a triple kill.
I played a game with a Korean premade where one of them went top lane as Nunu and proceeded to shit on a Kennen. Not sure how but I guess point-click Ice Ball > Shuriken. And yeah, every team fight after that, that same Nunu would get Triple or Quad kills.
Real.
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