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I can't understand what he says too, not loud enough. Bah, can't be right everytime anyway!
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I can't understand what he says too, not loud enough. Bah, can't be right everytime anyway! | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:16 Southlight wrote: Yeah Neo already relayed back and forth for me a while ago, thx tho. /am goodfriend | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 01 2011 08:54 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: When I read through it earlier it seemed civil enough. When I get home from bashing skulls in street fighter tonight I'll have a closer look at it. I don't usually like to moderate things retroactively like this, but in this case i'll make an exception. the beginning of a mob mentality against an unorthodox thought process is definitely something we frown upon and take seriously. it's a plague on fine forums like this. while i can't say right now that i'll definitely take any sort of action, everyone should be aware that tyCe has a valid point in this post. Neo and I WILL take steps, if necessary, to snuff out behavior like this. This sub-forum is still very much a work in progress, and it's gone very very well so far. Let's not muck it up with bad attitudes! I've read all the pages and it honestly was not that bad. There were a few posters starting to get a little hostile but at the same time there was veterans like Uta, MoonBear, myself, STS17 that really tried hard to reason with zalz. I went as far as asking AP players on NA who either mained Swain (Tojarra) or who are just well rounded AP specialists (SYDTKO) to see what their opinions of Swain vs Bruisers are. At some point, you need to concede your opinion to that of someone with more expertise. zalz says Swain is total crap top lane vs Brusiers. I say Swain is good. Tojarra and SYDTKO say Swain is fine. Hell, Salce used Swain in a cash tournament and didn't lose his lane. So color me baffled as why zalz is sticking to his guns despite overwhelming evidence. I have no problem with people theorycrafting. On this page alone, we have people discussing solo top Nunu and generally viewed as crap items like Nashor's Tooth. I'm all for back and forth talk like that. But if someone is reasoned with and he refuses to budge, I'm not going to scold those who are in utter disbelief like myself. Tensions will rise when parties disagree, and I'll let it run as long as it's well within control. As for having people identify themselves before talking, that's just banter. It would be nice to know where people are coming from, with their items. But the main underlying issue is that people need to do a better job arguing their points across besides with their blind opinions. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
and reminder to everyone that if you have feedback/suggestions/etc about how we should moderate this section please don't hesitate to PM Neo or myself. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On September 01 2011 06:39 Southlight wrote: I don't mind discussion, even from "low-level players," and I've learned some interesting things from GD (most notably leveling W heavily on Irelia). It just irritates me to no end when someone brings up theorycrafting based on shitty play. Like zalz repeatedly mentioning how Swain's Q at max range sucks. NO SHIT IT SUCKS AT MAX RANGE. Makes me wanna curl up in a corner and cry. Edit: Also I don't actually consider myself remotely close to a top-end player anymore. Far from it, as I feel true top-end players would had an even easier time to gold/plat than I did, despite my eye-roll about it being largely smooth sailing. But I do feel like I have a pretty decent understanding of the game, and some of the mindsets behind why top players do what. Why does my smiteless jungle yi still work? TELL ME WHY. + Show Spoiler + ain't nothing but a heartache | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
 zalz was calling Swain bad. People who disagreed with him did just that, disagree. At worst, a few users claimed zalz was overrating himself when he was he was formerly in the top 200 but he obviously didn't make that kind of comment. No personal attacks were made, so I let people argue. It's to be expected. If anything, our little subforum is very unlike the MOBA community. 99% of the time, our users self-moderate. I highly doubt I'll need to temp ban anyone. | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Which other junglers/supports should I look at buying for the 1100-1300 ELO range? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 57 Corvette wrote: So I am trying to have 2-3 of each role just in case for ranked (you never know when the opponent is going to pick your favourite chars). I have tanks under control, as well as AP and AD carries. My only two problems right now are jungle and support. I have Xin for jungle (i also own nunu, but he just isn't really my style) and Taric for support (Kayle not a support anymore zzzz) Which other junglers/supports should I look at buying for the 1100-1300 ELO range? Soraka es real OP. Max starcall zone peeps. Sona is pretty ezmode support too. Nocturne is a solid jungler, as is Amumu, but from what I remember, Amumu is perma-ban at that elo. Udyr and WW are also solid and easy junglers. Lee Sin is a boss jungler, but he takes quite a bit of practice. | ||
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DragonSharp
United States85 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 57 Corvette wrote: So I am trying to have 2-3 of each role just in case for ranked (you never know when the opponent is going to pick your favourite chars). I have tanks under control, as well as AP and AD carries. My only two problems right now are jungle and support. I have Xin for jungle (i also own nunu, but he just isn't really my style) and Taric for support (Kayle not a support anymore zzzz) Which other junglers/supports should I look at buying for the 1100-1300 ELO range? Warwick really help me out in that ELO range because people never expect that I ganked instantly with Flash + Ult. He is easy to get into and flexible since he can start at any camp. As for supports, I heard is not recommended but I might be wrong. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 57 Corvette wrote: So I am trying to have 2-3 of each role just in case for ranked (you never know when the opponent is going to pick your favourite chars). I have tanks under control, as well as AP and AD carries. My only two problems right now are jungle and support. I have Xin for jungle (i also own nunu, but he just isn't really my style) and Taric for support (Kayle not a support anymore zzzz) Which other junglers/supports should I look at buying for the 1100-1300 ELO range? LeeSin jungle. Sona/Janna support I solely played Sona and LeeSin jungle and got myself up to ~1650 on China's Lol server. Top rating at the moment being ~18xx. LeeSin punishes lanes REAL HARD for being out of position, a lot harder than XinZhao because he actually has 2 built in gap closers, his Q and his W. Also, Real Terror lv2 ganks. I also want to say smiteless jungle yi, but....not everyone can do that. Sona + Janna because if you're competent, you can prevent your teammates from doing stupid shit by saving their asses with your ultimate. | ||
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fasdaf
138 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 57 Corvette wrote: So I am trying to have 2-3 of each role just in case for ranked (you never know when the opponent is going to pick your favourite chars). I have tanks under control, as well as AP and AD carries. My only two problems right now are jungle and support. I have Xin for jungle (i also own nunu, but he just isn't really my style) and Taric for support (Kayle not a support anymore zzzz) Which other junglers/supports should I look at buying for the 1100-1300 ELO range? Kayle hadn't really been a support for a long time. IMO at low Elo the best junglers are offensive junglers who can punish the other team for mistakes and get fed, so guys like Nocturne, Udyr, and Yi should be good. Lee Sin is good too, but he's also way harder to play, especially compared to Xin Zhao who Riot nerfs every patch for being too ezmode. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On September 01 2011 10:00 Ryuu314 wrote: Soraka es real OP. Max starcall zone peeps. Sona is pretty ezmode support too. Nocturne is a solid jungler, as is Amumu, but from what I remember, Amumu is perma-ban at that elo. Udyr and WW are also solid and easy junglers. Lee Sin is a boss jungler, but he takes quite a bit of practice. I remembered I have amumu (and a skin ._.), but I rarely get to play him because he is always banned and I am never firstpick. Both Udyr and WW have wrecked me multiple times. Next time LS is free i might try him out in the jungle (for some reason I like playing difficult champions) On September 01 2011 10:03 DragonSharp wrote: Warwick really help me out in that ELO range because people never expect that I ganked instantly with Flash + Ult. He is easy to get into and flexible since he can start at any camp. As for supports, I heard is not recommended but I might be wrong. You probably heard the don't play support unless you are fishycakes from the reccomended characters post a while ago. I still have that thing saved in a txt file somewhere On September 01 2011 10:04 Soloside wrote: LeeSin jungle. Sona/Janna support I solely played Sona and LeeSin jungle and got myself up to ~1650 on China's Lol server. Top rating at the moment being ~18xx. LeeSin punishes lanes REAL HARD for being out of position, a lot harder than XinZhao because he actually has 2 built in gap closers, his Q and his W. Also, Real Terror lv2 ganks. I also want to say smiteless jungle yi, but....not everyone can do that. Sona + Janna because if you're competent, you can prevent your teammates from doing stupid shit by saving their asses with your ultimate. I have been given Janna in ARAM multiple times, so aside from taric, she is probably the one I have the most experience with.. I don't know. I have trouble gauging when to let her tornado go. Sona is just faceroll, so if i can avoid playing her I will. Just to be straight up, for the mostpart i don't like playing ezpzfaceroll champions (Xin and Ashe are the exceptions ofc) | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On September 01 2011 10:10 57 Corvette wrote: I remembered I have amumu (and a skin ._.), but I rarely get to play him because he is always banned and I am never firstpick. Both Udyr and WW have wrecked me multiple times. Next time LS is free i might try him out in the jungle (for some reason I like playing difficult champions) You probably heard the don't play support unless you are fishycakes from the reccomended characters post a while ago. I still have that thing saved in a txt file somewhere I have been given Janna in ARAM multiple times, so aside from taric, she is probably the one I have the most experience with.. I don't know. I have trouble gauging when to let her tornado go. Sona is just faceroll, so if i can avoid playing her I will. Just to be straight up, for the mostpart i don't like playing ezpzfaceroll champions. Tornadoes, don't let them charge, just instantly let them go to save peeps. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:20 Craton wrote: This is pretty cool: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=13770763#post13770763 wow, i dont think i've ever seen an online game company just release API info like that. +1 for riot for really giving to the community | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
All the supports are viable, but you kinda want to base it on who you're laning with as well. Taric's stun goes much better with an aggressive carry like Caityln or MF rather than something like ashe. For ashe you probably want to play soraka, although with her changes to sustain it's kinda iffy. I'd steer clear of Janna at our ELO unless you're duoing with a friend because your lane partner is not going to play the lane properly. Junglers are also whomever you're good with. A strong ganker is generally preferred because people will push the lanes and you will be able to get double/triple kills. My personal favorite is Udyr, but he's banned half the time. Gangplank is my second favorite, but he's also banned quite often  | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:52 57 Corvette wrote: So I am trying to have 2-3 of each role just in case for ranked (you never know when the opponent is going to pick your favourite chars). I have tanks under control, as well as AP and AD carries. My only two problems right now are jungle and support. I have Xin for jungle (i also own nunu, but he just isn't really my style) and Taric for support (Kayle not a support anymore zzzz) Which other junglers/supports should I look at buying for the 1100-1300 ELO range? Support: -Janna if you want the support which (imo) teaches you the most about the game by learning her. However, be ready for getting flamed and losing lanes since Janna is quite hard to play if your AD isn't good / predictable for you. -Taric/Alistar because they teach you how to play against them and as the AD with them as well. Ali the harder one here probably. Jungle: -WW as your allround "easy to learn, hard to master" champ. (WW is much more deep than most people assume. You can gank pre 6. You can counterjungle. And you have a very, very scary beastmode.) - Also he feels beastly. -I don't recommend Amumu because.. well.. lets say, I never managed to win games with him at low elo. -Lee Sin is imo a mediocre choice because he benefits the most out of any jungler from a really deep knowledge of paths, champions strong/weak points because he can pretty much gank anywhere at any time. -Nocturne is great, too. Can counterjungle, gank like a boss and is scary as fuck if fed. So yeah, I recommend WW and/or Nocturne. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
expensive though good to own amumu for trading if nothing else, and he's pretty cheap alistar and sona pretty strong right now soraka and taric are still very playable, pick the cheapest / the ones whose playstyles you like the best | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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