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AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
August 26 2011 14:36 GMT
#761
Hey, I mostly play carry or tank types, but I want to try something different. What's your picks for best "assassin" characters? Not necessarily the Assassin tag (them too), but really the type of character that excels at seeing an opportunity and going for the kill.

I thought Talon looked like he might be what I'm looking for, but I'm holding off until I can try him and everyone and their brother stops playing him. Vayne looks fun, though I've yet to actually see her in a game. AD stacked Trynd also looks like he might be able to just wreck people after charging forward, but I dunno.

Any suggestions are welcomed, I just want to get some feedback before I spend points.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 26 2011 14:37 GMT
#762
kat needs more love
needs french maid skin, also more antihealz
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
August 26 2011 14:38 GMT
#763
Dammit, queues again on Eu East, how does it look at Eu West? 10 minutes at the moment, wondering how bad it will get later tonight and if a change to Eu West might be worth it. Also any news on US servers that sometimes were used on Eu West, are they gone or still there?
Meh
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 26 2011 14:43 GMT
#764
On August 26 2011 23:27 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 21:42 wussleeQ wrote:
if you can just manage to not get poisoned vs cass her damage is ignorable. to harrass her just use that damage amplifier -> crow -> nevermove. and farm with autoattacks.


Yeah and if you can manage to not get hit by the Orianna ball she is the worst AP user in the game.

Let's be realistic, Cass stomps on Swain hard. Swain is a pretty weak champ to begin with. People pretend that he hard counters melee but that's just not true. Even if he did he would be a pretty poor champ because all the melee you find tend to run around in the jungle, not the mid lane he seems to claim instantly.


I don't know about that, I find swain to be pretty strong. Might just be the level I play at, but his harass in lane is pretty good, you can't really trade with him at level 1 because his DoT is potent and it increases the effectiveness of his autoattacks as well. Once he hits 6 he's extremely hard to push off lane with a Revolver or Catalyst, especially if you can secure blue and once he gets his hourglass it's basically impossible to kill him.

In no specific order: RoA/WotA/Hourglass/Abyssal Scepter are the items of choice for him. Makes you beefy enough to be walking in the middle of a fight while damaging enough to still be relevant throughout the game.

His kit is really useful for assisting a gank as well, If you nevermove just behind someone they have to walk towards you in order to avoid it or get rooted in place (both are good when your jungler is charging from the brush). If they walk towards you they eat a laserbird and are slowed and if they walk away they get rooted and then eat a laserbird for the slow when the root wears off. If they blow flash to avoid the whole thing tell your jungler to come back in a minute and do it all again. At worse they blow flash and then play passively but that's still a victory for you because now it's that much easier to zone them and cripple their farm.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 26 2011 15:12 GMT
#765
omg just played a EU account up to gold
needed 2 elo
took 6 games
most infuriating couple of hours EVER

game 1: ww jungle. start with FB on their malz. our mordekaiser takes my golems 3 times. all three times it brings him down to ~300 HP and he INSTA-DIES when he gets into lane against ree sin. 2 people then rage-quit. WTF. easy loss.

game 2: ww jungle. d/c on our team. easy loss.

game 3: panth. i hold talon to 5 creeps by the time i've hit level 9. he's level 4. easy win.

game 4: panth. easy win. OKAY SO GOLD RIGHT? NO BRO 1 ELO LOL JOKES ON ME

game 5: panth. easy wi-j/k disconnect easy loss. 60% of EU games have d/c?

game 6: panth. easy easy easy win. gold achieved I CAN FINALLY SLEEP


did i just have the worst string of luck or is disconnecting/rage quitting really rampant on EU west?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 26 2011 15:17 GMT
#766
On August 26 2011 23:38 Yttrasil wrote:Also any news on US servers that sometimes were used on Eu West, are they gone or still there?

Still there. I tried Ryze for the third time yesterday evening. The >100 ping helped me to achieve my actual death record of 14.
I really suck with Ryze.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 26 2011 15:22 GMT
#767
On August 27 2011 00:12 gtrsrs wrote:
omg just played a EU account up to gold
needed 2 elo
took 6 games
most infuriating couple of hours EVER

game 1: ww jungle. start with FB on their malz. our mordekaiser takes my golems 3 times. all three times it brings him down to ~300 HP and he INSTA-DIES when he gets into lane against ree sin. 2 people then rage-quit. WTF. easy loss.

game 2: ww jungle. d/c on our team. easy loss.

game 3: panth. i hold talon to 5 creeps by the time i've hit level 9. he's level 4. easy win.

game 4: panth. easy win. OKAY SO GOLD RIGHT? NO BRO 1 ELO LOL JOKES ON ME

game 5: panth. easy wi-j/k disconnect easy loss. 60% of EU games have d/c?

game 6: panth. easy easy easy win. gold achieved I CAN FINALLY SLEEP


did i just have the worst string of luck or is disconnecting/rage quitting really rampant on EU west?


You're in the wrong thread.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
August 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#768
I'm not sure if this is the right place but it is the LoL forum and it is the general discussion so I think it might fit.

I watched the LoL finals at IEM and it really looked interesting. I've played DotA years back, HoN some time ago, and a friend of mine is an avid LoL ranked player, so I thought, sure, why not, give it a try. It did look cool after all.

My first week or so with LoL has been a motivational nightmare. The patch difficulties added to it, though such things happen and I try to filter that out from my general frustration, but the games ... oh, the games. The horror.

I mean, sure. The DotA community wasn't exactly nice to begin with, and HoN's playerbase is a twisted parody of what a community should be like, so I didn't expect too much from the first games in LoL, despite having heard a lot of praise about it being the more "mature" of the MobA games' communities. But it's the same! It's as if I were playing HoN all over again.

So far, I've played a dozen games or so, and each and every one of the has had either flamers, leavers, incomplete teams, guys preaching on chat about how the game should be played or whole teams saying nothing while being slaugthered over and over again. I've either been playing with loudmouthed (or mute) egomaniacs or loudmouthed (or mute) people unable to react (and apparently unable to complete the tutorial as well).

I couldn't care less about skill-disparities, I expected to lose most of the first games and I have - that happens. But I haven't had any fun so far. Nothing. Except for the first 20 minutes of the first game (before it degenerated into a flamefest) and when I bought Morgana, I haven't really enjoyed myself in this game because how awful team-wise my team"mates" have been overall. Sure, most people on my level will just start the game, I'm fine with that, BUT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM TALKS (constructively). Noone asks for help, noone chats ingame, noone responds to hints, pings, targets, "care"s or "ss bot"s or anything. Almost every match feels like playing multiplayer with 3-4 other guys that happen to play single player in my game.

Does this get better on higher levels? Do ranked matches have better teams, more communication, more real human interaction? The game does look fun and it could be fun if I felt like playing in a real team, but right now, I don't see myself playing this any more.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#769
On August 27 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 00:12 gtrsrs wrote:
omg just played a EU account up to gold
needed 2 elo
took 6 games
most infuriating couple of hours EVER

game 1: ww jungle. start with FB on their malz. our mordekaiser takes my golems 3 times. all three times it brings him down to ~300 HP and he INSTA-DIES when he gets into lane against ree sin. 2 people then rage-quit. WTF. easy loss.

game 2: ww jungle. d/c on our team. easy loss.

game 3: panth. i hold talon to 5 creeps by the time i've hit level 9. he's level 4. easy win.

game 4: panth. easy win. OKAY SO GOLD RIGHT? NO BRO 1 ELO LOL JOKES ON ME

game 5: panth. easy wi-j/k disconnect easy loss. 60% of EU games have d/c?

game 6: panth. easy easy easy win. gold achieved I CAN FINALLY SLEEP


did i just have the worst string of luck or is disconnecting/rage quitting really rampant on EU west?


You're in the wrong thread.


is there an EU bitching thread?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 26 2011 15:33 GMT
#770
On August 27 2011 00:26 Shockk wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right place but it is the LoL forum and it is the general discussion so I think it might fit.

I watched the LoL finals at IEM and it really looked interesting. I've played DotA years back, HoN some time ago, and a friend of mine is an avid LoL ranked player, so I thought, sure, why not, give it a try. It did look cool after all.

My first week or so with LoL has been a motivational nightmare. The patch difficulties added to it, though such things happen and I try to filter that out from my general frustration, but the games ... oh, the games. The horror.

I mean, sure. The DotA community wasn't exactly nice to begin with, and HoN's playerbase is a twisted parody of what a community should be like, so I didn't expect too much from the first games in LoL, despite having heard a lot of praise about it being the more "mature" of the MobA games' communities. But it's the same! It's as if I were playing HoN all over again.

So far, I've played a dozen games or so, and each and every one of the has had either flamers, leavers, incomplete teams, guys preaching on chat about how the game should be played or whole teams saying nothing while being slaugthered over and over again. I've either been playing with loudmouthed (or mute) egomaniacs or loudmouthed (or mute) people unable to react (and apparently unable to complete the tutorial as well).

I couldn't care less about skill-disparities, I expected to lose most of the first games and I have - that happens. But I haven't had any fun so far. Nothing. Except for the first 20 minutes of the first game (before it degenerated into a flamefest) and when I bought Morgana, I haven't really enjoyed myself in this game because how awful team-wise my team"mates" have been overall. Sure, most people on my level will just start the game, I'm fine with that, BUT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM TALKS (constructively). Noone asks for help, noone chats ingame, noone responds to hints, pings, targets, "care"s or "ss bot"s or anything. Almost every match feels like playing multiplayer with 3-4 other guys that happen to play single player in my game.

Does this get better on higher levels? Do ranked matches have better teams, more communication, more real human interaction? The game does look fun and it could be fun if I felt like playing in a real team, but right now, I don't see myself playing this any more.


If you're grinding a new account, I'd definitely try to get some friends with you to make the game a little more bearable. Considering you're new to the game, it's pretty difficult to drag your team to victory if you're not sure of all the champions and all the skills (past MOBA experience only helps to an extent, but you can't "carry" in LoL like you could in DotA).

At low level normal games, just focus on winning your lane. If you come across someone remotely competent, add him after the game and queue a few more normals together. That's more or less how the beta community got to know each other at the start. You pretty much need a thick skin to shrug off all the flames and stupidity in a "team" game like LoL.


On August 27 2011 00:26 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 27 2011 00:12 gtrsrs wrote:
omg just played a EU account up to gold
needed 2 elo
took 6 games
most infuriating couple of hours EVER

game 1: ww jungle. start with FB on their malz. our mordekaiser takes my golems 3 times. all three times it brings him down to ~300 HP and he INSTA-DIES when he gets into lane against ree sin. 2 people then rage-quit. WTF. easy loss.

game 2: ww jungle. d/c on our team. easy loss.

game 3: panth. i hold talon to 5 creeps by the time i've hit level 9. he's level 4. easy win.

game 4: panth. easy win. OKAY SO GOLD RIGHT? NO BRO 1 ELO LOL JOKES ON ME

game 5: panth. easy wi-j/k disconnect easy loss. 60% of EU games have d/c?

game 6: panth. easy easy easy win. gold achieved I CAN FINALLY SLEEP


did i just have the worst string of luck or is disconnecting/rage quitting really rampant on EU west?


You're in the wrong thread.


is there an EU bitching thread?


Shikyo thread go!
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 26 2011 15:35 GMT
#771
"worst string of luck"? You had it EASY
5 times 1 game from 1900. None of those games was even close. Then I hit a 6 game loss streak, including 2 games against godrjsdnd IV. He's on his way to get a 4th acc into the top 20 and my rating is collateral damage.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 15:37:25
August 26 2011 15:35 GMT
#772
wasn't trying to QQ
more of a subtle brag
also want to know if d/c is rampant in EU tho T_T


On August 27 2011 00:35 spinesheath wrote:
"worst string of luck"? You had it EASY
5 times 1 game from 1900. None of those games was even close. Then I hit a 6 game loss streak, including 2 games against godrjsdnd IV. He's on his way to get a 4th acc into the top 20 and my rating is collateral damage.



i feel your pain
you should have waited to queue!

wait
why do you show up as unrated now?

oh right cause "tl spinesheath" not just spinesheath
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 26 2011 15:36 GMT
#773
On August 27 2011 00:26 Shockk wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right place but it is the LoL forum and it is the general discussion so I think it might fit.

I watched the LoL finals at IEM and it really looked interesting. I've played DotA years back, HoN some time ago, and a friend of mine is an avid LoL ranked player, so I thought, sure, why not, give it a try. It did look cool after all.

My first week or so with LoL has been a motivational nightmare. The patch difficulties added to it, though such things happen and I try to filter that out from my general frustration, but the games ... oh, the games. The horror.

I mean, sure. The DotA community wasn't exactly nice to begin with, and HoN's playerbase is a twisted parody of what a community should be like, so I didn't expect too much from the first games in LoL, despite having heard a lot of praise about it being the more "mature" of the MobA games' communities. But it's the same! It's as if I were playing HoN all over again.

So far, I've played a dozen games or so, and each and every one of the has had either flamers, leavers, incomplete teams, guys preaching on chat about how the game should be played or whole teams saying nothing while being slaugthered over and over again. I've either been playing with loudmouthed (or mute) egomaniacs or loudmouthed (or mute) people unable to react (and apparently unable to complete the tutorial as well).

I couldn't care less about skill-disparities, I expected to lose most of the first games and I have - that happens. But I haven't had any fun so far. Nothing. Except for the first 20 minutes of the first game (before it degenerated into a flamefest) and when I bought Morgana, I haven't really enjoyed myself in this game because how awful team-wise my team"mates" have been overall. Sure, most people on my level will just start the game, I'm fine with that, BUT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM TALKS (constructively). Noone asks for help, noone chats ingame, noone responds to hints, pings, targets, "care"s or "ss bot"s or anything. Almost every match feels like playing multiplayer with 3-4 other guys that happen to play single player in my game.

Does this get better on higher levels? Do ranked matches have better teams, more communication, more real human interaction? The game does look fun and it could be fun if I felt like playing in a real team, but right now, I don't see myself playing this any more.


What the hell?, you state you played dota and hon and that LoL is the same in terms of the community and the people you have to deal with, so how is this surprising?.

What makes you think this would stop? You're always playing with or against retards, at any level. Its just a matter of having a thick skin, which you SHOULD have developed by now from playing dota and hon.

The MOBA community is the worst out of any gaming community, if you can't deal with people being retards you should not be playing these types of games. It will never change, because its a team game -- you're stuck with 4 random people. Rage will happen, stupidty will happen. Deal with it.

The QQ from hotshotgg at 2400 elo and joeschmo at 1321 elo is no different, its just a matter of perspective.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 26 2011 15:38 GMT
#774
On August 27 2011 00:26 Shockk wrote:leavers

On EU West lol level play, I get a leaver 90%. That's a really annoying thing (especially when you're playing premade with 4 guys :roll.
Overall I'd say it becomes better, at least for team communication. Flame still is there everywhere (just saw a video of TRM today where he flamed hard his teammates, so flame is all the way to 2400+ elo).
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 26 2011 15:39 GMT
#775
Must get to gold...but stuck at 1170 because urge to convince team to troll by going Revive/Rally ARAM too strong (and too successful in getting team to do it)
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 26 2011 15:40 GMT
#776
On August 27 2011 00:35 gtrsrs wrote:
wasn't trying to QQ
more of a subtle brag
also want to know if d/c is rampant in EU tho T_T


Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 00:35 spinesheath wrote:
"worst string of luck"? You had it EASY
5 times 1 game from 1900. None of those games was even close. Then I hit a 6 game loss streak, including 2 games against godrjsdnd IV. He's on his way to get a 4th acc into the top 20 and my rating is collateral damage.



i feel your pain
you should have waited to queue!

wait
why do you show up as unrated now?

oh right cause "tl spinesheath" not just spinesheath

Yea stupid namestealer...

Of course I took breaks after losses, why would I go against my own advice zzz...
I think I played the 2 games against godrjs on different days even.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 26 2011 15:40 GMT
#777
I was having problems with lag the day of the patch, but things seem to have cleared up since then. I have seen a lot more people disconnecting recently though, but I've been smurfing with a friend who has never played mobas before so I'm not sure if it's just the low levels just giving up either.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 26 2011 15:54 GMT
#778
On August 27 2011 00:36 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 00:26 Shockk wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right place but it is the LoL forum and it is the general discussion so I think it might fit.

I watched the LoL finals at IEM and it really looked interesting. I've played DotA years back, HoN some time ago, and a friend of mine is an avid LoL ranked player, so I thought, sure, why not, give it a try. It did look cool after all.

My first week or so with LoL has been a motivational nightmare. The patch difficulties added to it, though such things happen and I try to filter that out from my general frustration, but the games ... oh, the games. The horror.

I mean, sure. The DotA community wasn't exactly nice to begin with, and HoN's playerbase is a twisted parody of what a community should be like, so I didn't expect too much from the first games in LoL, despite having heard a lot of praise about it being the more "mature" of the MobA games' communities. But it's the same! It's as if I were playing HoN all over again.

So far, I've played a dozen games or so, and each and every one of the has had either flamers, leavers, incomplete teams, guys preaching on chat about how the game should be played or whole teams saying nothing while being slaugthered over and over again. I've either been playing with loudmouthed (or mute) egomaniacs or loudmouthed (or mute) people unable to react (and apparently unable to complete the tutorial as well).

I couldn't care less about skill-disparities, I expected to lose most of the first games and I have - that happens. But I haven't had any fun so far. Nothing. Except for the first 20 minutes of the first game (before it degenerated into a flamefest) and when I bought Morgana, I haven't really enjoyed myself in this game because how awful team-wise my team"mates" have been overall. Sure, most people on my level will just start the game, I'm fine with that, BUT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM TALKS (constructively). Noone asks for help, noone chats ingame, noone responds to hints, pings, targets, "care"s or "ss bot"s or anything. Almost every match feels like playing multiplayer with 3-4 other guys that happen to play single player in my game.

Does this get better on higher levels? Do ranked matches have better teams, more communication, more real human interaction? The game does look fun and it could be fun if I felt like playing in a real team, but right now, I don't see myself playing this any more.


What the hell?, you state you played dota and hon and that LoL is the same in terms of the community and the people you have to deal with, so how is this surprising?.

What makes you think this would stop? You're always playing with or against retards, at any level. Its just a matter of having a thick skin, which you SHOULD have developed by now from playing dota and hon.

The MOBA community is the worst out of any gaming community, if you can't deal with people being retards you should not be playing these types of games. It will never change, because its a team game -- you're stuck with 4 random people. Rage will happen, stupidty will happen. Deal with it.

The QQ from hotshotgg at 2400 elo and joeschmo at 1321 elo is no different, its just a matter of perspective.

That's why Liquidparty exists, because going premade alleviates at least much of the BM, even if it doesn't really alleviate the lack of coordination all the time. I think I play premade normals 90% of the time, because I really DON'T have the thick skin "necessary" (well, I don't get upset, I just don't have fun trying to play with retards)
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 26 2011 15:58 GMT
#779
On August 27 2011 00:17 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:38 Yttrasil wrote:Also any news on US servers that sometimes were used on Eu West, are they gone or still there?

Still there. I tried Ryze for the third time yesterday evening. The >100 ping helped me to achieve my actual death record of 14.
I really suck with Ryze.




yeah i dont know whats up with that, daniel wrote in this forum that they bought a lot of new servers, that was like 2 months ago.
Its really frustrating to the point that i am currently leveling up a Nordic account.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
August 26 2011 16:04 GMT
#780
Why would godrjs need a 4th account in top 20 instead of trying to break 2500/beat jiji etc.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
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