EPTAs far as I can see, 1-1-2+jungle is going to be the superior lane simply because any set up that isnt 1-1-2+j is going to be at a tremendous disadvantage. That doesnt mean that the champions and their spots need to be set in stone like they are currently.
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
As far as I can see, 1-1-2+jungle is going to be the superior lane simply because any set up that isnt 1-1-2+j is going to be at a tremendous disadvantage. That doesnt mean that the champions and their spots need to be set in stone like they are currently. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On September 06 2011 14:38 mrgerry wrote: 5 days of grinding solo ranked from 1709 and back to PLAT. I'd like to thank acynic, rawrz, grey, 5hit and whoever else for aiding me during my 18 game duo q losing streak. And FU Enzyme. fucking spudboy <3 | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 06 2011 14:16 Two_DoWn wrote: Good rant, but 1v2 bruiser vs ad carry/support bot doesnt really work. At least, not well enough to keep the roam meta alive in the roam vs ad/support a while back. Not to say the rest of it isnt good, but because of the changes riot has made, running a 1v2 is EXTREMELY hard to pull off without failing miserably. Plus not having drag control kinda sucks. As far as I can see, 1-1-2+jungle is going to be the superior lane simply because any set up that isnt 1-1-2+j is going to be at a tremendous disadvantage. That doesnt mean that the champions and their spots need to be set in stone like they are currently. I think we can agree on 2 mid being stupid, simply because of how short the lane is. I agree with you on the 1v2 vs ad/support not being viable right now - if you look at it as the lane being isolated. However, all you need for 1n2 bot to be viable is that your 2n1 top shuts down their solo harder than their 2n1 can at bot. That is basicly all you need for it to be viable. For this to work you'd need: a) a duo top that can deny and punish early levels hard as fuck (stuff like Panth/Janna comes to mind) b) the plan to be unexpected to avoid 50 pot starts from their top c) a 1n2 bot that can deal with being denied for a while and gaining more from the few cs he'll get than their solo top. ( d) a plan to deal with the lowered dragon control ) Once those points are met (pretty sure this just takes carefull planning in the pick/ban phase), the enemy team has two choices: 1) Deal with having a horrible underfed top solo top against a just badly underfed solo bot 2) Hoping that the dragon control advantage is strong enough to make it even again (becomes fun when stuff like TPs and e.g. Pantheon top are involved) 3) Changing their lanesetup to adjust and somehow get lanes even again. Why it would work? All of the points above include the enemy team having to adjust to your playstyle. If you played against these adjustments 100 times from practice, but it's the first time for the enemy to make these decisions in an important game you gain momentum and their margin of error is way bigger than yours. That's how games are won. (Sidenote: You might lose out a bit of dragon control, however if you find ways to deal with that there might be ways to abuse the extended amount of control over the top jungle. Once again, you're forcing the enemy (the jungle in this case) in a position he's not used to and that's an advantage in itself.) | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Edit: Marinedom has been achieved :D | ||
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
On September 06 2011 14:48 r.Evo wrote: I think we can agree on 2 mid being stupid, simply because of how short the lane is. In my limited experience running 1-2-1 the enemy team will spaz out 90% of the time and just try to match you after a minute or 2 of their mid crying about getting zoned/pushed. If they do this, you have gained a significant advantage by causing them to react to your style of play since they wasted time swapping lanes and their lineups weren't picked with 1-2-1 in mind. When the enemy team keeps 2 in bot, you can usually take down mid tower before you lose bot if you put an aoe farmer like nasus/cho/morg down there with some mana regen. Yes, you will probably be giving up free farm in bot, but sometimes that is an OK trade for map control and their mid player getting denied farm/xp. I think it was CLG that ran a 1-2-1 setup a few months back in competitive play and won pretty convincingly. I'm not saying it is superior in every situation, but I certainly wouldn't call it stupid. Honestly I'm surprised we don't see it more often :\ | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I think it was CLG that ran a 1-2-1 setup a few months back in competitive play and won pretty convincingly. I'm not saying it is superior in every situation, but I certainly wouldn't call it stupid. Honestly I'm surprised we don't see it more often :\ They ran that setup against Rock Solid because RS picked Garen/Taric so that they could destroy Ashe/Soraka bottom. Instead they sent HSGG's Cho'Gath bot and sent Ashe/Soraka mid against Malzahar. It worked partially because RS responded poorly by sending Taric mid to help Malz and leaving Garen bot to solo against Cho'Gath. Unrelated note, I went from two days in a row of losing horribly to winning every game today and getting a penta kill as Caitlyn. Happy day. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On September 06 2011 13:24 HazMat wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=13999511#post13999511 FUUUUU, also http://esporteye.net/free-caitlyn-skin-pc-game a rumour about patch coming out on 08.09.2011 :< On September 06 2011 14:12 Ryuu314 wrote: -sigh- Remind me again, elo decay doesn't start until a month right? 'Cause I got gold like 1-2 weeks ago. Don't want to have to risk losing it 'cause of decay and late august actually not being late august. Altho Moonbear's "expect the unexpected" came true. I was expecting a patch. No patch = unexpected :[ Decay starts after 3 weeks then happens every 2 weeks. Ya expect the unexpected  | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
we need to do this more often guys! | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On September 06 2011 14:48 r.Evo wrote: I think we can agree on 2 mid being stupid, simply because of how short the lane is. I agree with you on the 1v2 vs ad/support not being viable right now - if you look at it as the lane being isolated. However, all you need for 1n2 bot to be viable is that your 2n1 top shuts down their solo harder than their 2n1 can at bot. That is basicly all you need for it to be viable. For this to work you'd need: a) a duo top that can deny and punish early levels hard as fuck (stuff like Panth/Janna comes to mind) b) the plan to be unexpected to avoid 50 pot starts from their top c) a 1n2 bot that can deal with being denied for a while and gaining more from the few cs he'll get than their solo top. ( d) a plan to deal with the lowered dragon control ) Once those points are met (pretty sure this just takes carefull planning in the pick/ban phase), the enemy team has two choices: 1) Deal with having a horrible underfed top solo top against a just badly underfed solo bot 2) Hoping that the dragon control advantage is strong enough to make it even again (becomes fun when stuff like TPs and e.g. Pantheon top are involved) 3) Changing their lanesetup to adjust and somehow get lanes even again. Why it would work? All of the points above include the enemy team having to adjust to your playstyle. If you played against these adjustments 100 times from practice, but it's the first time for the enemy to make these decisions in an important game you gain momentum and their margin of error is way bigger than yours. That's how games are won. (Sidenote: You might lose out a bit of dragon control, however if you find ways to deal with that there might be ways to abuse the extended amount of control over the top jungle. Once again, you're forcing the enemy (the jungle in this case in a position he's not used to and that's an advantage in itself.) you make like 5 posts in a row saying people dont experiment and then open a post with "we can just agree in fact x" maybe im just a random noob but isnt it entirely possible that 2 mid would be good because it would allow you to make earlier pokes on the tower while still remaining safer? im not saying thats even my opinion it just seems odd that you say stuff hasnt been tried, but then you make other blanket statements. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On September 06 2011 17:17 sylverfyre wrote: Eh, no patch today doesn't mean delayed til next week - could just be delayed by days rather than a full week! *Hopeful* more time to grind | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I'm not going to be scared stealing enemy junglers wraiths if they have caitlyn mid.# My meta would be triple bruiser and AP mid possibly a tank instead of 1 of the bruisers for initiate. More like just have nocturne and other bruisers who can initiate. Control dragons/barons and split push because very little poke power lol. And ban janna xD | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 06 2011 16:18 turdburgler wrote: you make like 5 posts in a row saying people dont experiment and then open a post with "we can just agree in fact x" maybe im just a random noob but isnt it entirely possible that 2 mid would be good because it would allow you to make earlier pokes on the tower while still remaining safer? im not saying thats even my opinion it just seems odd that you say stuff hasnt been tried, but then you make other blanket statements. You completely got me there. For example I didn't know about the CLG game mentioned right above, that's a great example of a case where it was a great idea. Basicly I just can't think of a duolane that can properly deny an AP mid like it could deny someone top, that was kinda what I was trying to say. If someone finds those on a high level of play, by all means, tell about it. (No brush + short lane makes it horribly hard to deny stuff when you consider what's known to be strong 2v1 lanes.) Also it's more fun for you guys proving me wrong when I make a blank statement like that, isn't it? =D @Teut: Tripple bruiser, zilean, new meta gg. =P | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Someone bug them to update their info please. =P http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259585 | ||
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