League of Legends season 2 $5 million Prize pool - Page 9

On August 15 2011 22:47 GTR wrote:
i just see all the chinese dota teams just picking up lol for a few days then taking all the money.

On August 16 2011 00:57 FawkingGoomba wrote:

This exactly. If China gets wind of this they'll come take all the money.

On August 16 2011 00:55 Jswizzy wrote:

Is it streamlined or not? If it's streamlined from other MOBA games than my point still stands.

On August 16 2011 00:57 Judicator wrote:


No, there shouldn't be any of that bullshit. One of the reasons why DotA's scene has grown like the way it did is because anyone can pick up the game and learn the game in it's entirety without worrying about access to a item/hero. This feeds the competitive scene as players are only bound by their own skill and not because they don't have access to a certain hero or item.

Why is this important? Because if you have friends and they want to play, they're not stuck playing a limited set of heroes at the start due to some dumbshit unlock system that's there ONLY for the sole purpose of making money which from the community perspective is a piece of shit.

TF2 does the microtransaction system well where it doesn't gimp the fuck out of the player because they didn't put (additional) money into the game. However, HoN/LoL's systems doesn't do that, rather it does the exact opposite.

On August 16 2011 00:57 Judicator wrote:


No, there shouldn't be any of that bullshit. One of the reasons why DotA's scene has grown like the way it did is because anyone can pick up the game and learn the game in it's entirety without worrying about access to a item/hero. This feeds the competitive scene as players are only bound by their own skill and not because they don't have access to a certain hero or item.

Why is this important? Because if you have friends and they want to play, they're not stuck playing a limited set of heroes at the start due to some dumbshit unlock system that's there ONLY for the sole purpose of making money which from the community perspective is a piece of shit.

TF2 does the microtransaction system well where it doesn't gimp the fuck out of the player because they didn't put (additional) money into the game. However, HoN/LoL's systems doesn't do that, rather it does the exact opposite.

On August 16 2011 00:53 Polskaa wrote:
So is blizzard going to step up and put in a million into SC2?





its a joke guys.

On August 16 2011 00:34 NeoIllusions wrote:


Point remains that blanket statement tend to make poor arguments. "Slowest paced MOBA" isn't something quantifiable, so let's not use it as a comparison.

But I digress... this thread isn't another LoL vs HoN thread. You've had plenty of warnings. Must you come into yet another LoL thread just to put it down? I think people understand your disdain for LoL by now.

On August 16 2011 01:00 scintilliaSD wrote:

There is nothing you can do in LoL with money that you can't do without except make your characters prettier. Sounds like TF2 hats. Doesn't TF2 also have buyable weapons that can't be found via normal pickups?

On August 15 2011 22:40 OooLong wrote:
[...]If Valve decide to make Dota2 free, [...]

On August 16 2011 01:03 Judicator wrote:


So you have access to everything straight up with LoL?

TF2's weapons aren't used very often in competitive play and you can unlock or craft them yourself. The point is that TF2's system lets you be competitive with the standard unlocks or layouts.

LoL/HoN's system doesn't let you do that. You can't say you're competitive when your hero pool is X% of someone with money.

On August 16 2011 00:58 Mordiford wrote:
Having a flat price-tag can be even more restrictive. If they manage to execute cosmetic cash shops with a completely free game, then I'll be absolutely blown away, but right now, I don't know if standard retail is the best option in terms of mass market appeal.

On August 16 2011 01:09 Novalisk wrote:


Regardless, you get access to a ton of content for free, which is why LoL got so popular. By the time you're level 30 you should have a lot of characters unlocked, and level 30 isn't enough experience to be considered in any way competitive.

On August 16 2011 01:11 Judicator wrote:


...What?

Keep in mind what platform they're distributing the game on...Steam...which has sales...

Also keep in mind that...people bought the original Xbox at 300 bucks just for Halo...people bought Warcraft 3 Battlechests with the dumb Brady Game Guide at 40 bucks just for DotA and you think they won't buy standalone DotA 2?

Flat price-tag has nothing to do with it, when you're friends start playing it, people will want to play it and buy it. It's the WoW effect and it applies even more here in a team-oriented game.

On August 16 2011 00:52 Logo wrote:


I don't think it's flawed at all. F2P previously was mostly for MMOs which are built based on people being imbalanced against each other, so the F2P situation there doesn't mean much.

In DotA/LoL/etc. there's supposed to be a perceived balance on entering a match where the best team comes out and wins. LoL bends that by having F2P features. Hero unlocks are bad (prevents counter-picking and stuff), but it's actually the levels and the runes that are worse because they just create a flat imbalance for people depending on how long they've played and how they allocate their IP.

So in Lol you can't state that two teams going into a match (as in pre-hero selection) are even and the result is purely from their player skill. Instead until you get to the suckers... er people who've grinded out a ton of stuff... you have to add a ...but X team has better runes/levels or Y team doesn't have access to suddenly OP hero.

If LoL only had hero unlocks and skins I wouldn't like it, but I could grit my teeth and accept that business model. But when you add in the fact that you have to grind runes and levels and the fact that heroes are pretty expensive unless you buy them via IP I can't support it at all and it's enough to make me never do anything associated with Lol if I can help it.

Also another big issue with LoL is the community can't really get that well involved in running their own stuff as there are some important stuff that is missing or only recently implemented by Riot (spectating and ability to play a 100% sure to be even match with full hero unlocks and runes). So even though it may be good they're involved in esports, they HAVE to be doing it because no one else has the ability to do it for them.


Don't tell me what I don't like. I played beta LoL and did hit level 30 on my account and have all the runes I needed before I decided that I no longer wished to support this model. Basically once HoN became a reasonable option with a better business model I got the hell out of there. I really only played Lol at the time because it had easier match making and a better UI than DotA. Lol has also been out for about 1.5-2 years if not longer.

On August 16 2011 01:11 Judicator wrote:


Alot isn't all, thanks for proving my point. There shouldn't be a "by the time I am 30", it's like saying hey you know that 30 levels of grinding? you weren't playing the game actually.

Also thanks for proving my other point, why is the game limiting my abilities? If I am good enough to play competitive why do I need to grind 30 levels and then some to be competitive?

Time invested != True skill.

On August 16 2011 01:02 Alaron wrote:


You really going to pull that card? I don't turn threads to crap everyone on this forum does. I never turn a thread into this crap, I come defending every other MOBA when LoL players talk all the smack they want just because their name is in the title. Every single thread I have ever posted in, with any relation to an argument has been nothing but a response to someone else being aggressive and bashing something that isn't LoL. There is a reason my last ban wasn't a full length ban and it leads me to believe there are biased mod's. If you don't want me posting here why do you put the thread in your subforum?

EDIT: Also 3-12 final score how is that not slow paced man? Every competitive game of LoL plays out like that.