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Why does every thread that mentions LoL NEED to turn into a LoL vs HoN vs Dota2 thread? Seriously, cut it out.
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On August 16 2011 00:15 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. Fast paced? Why do people that have no clue of the current state of any games competitive state feel the need to make comments like this. There is only one way this game can be played at top level and that is passive farm-lane-entire-game, with its metagame heavily reliant on a stupid free blink that probably plagued that game since the beginning of time. Former #1 solo queue player in LoL.
Do you even know how he got to #1 solo queue in LoL? Not by farming, he roamed and ganked constantly.
On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens. I said that there's farmfests at the highest levels, but casually it's fast-paced... read again.
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Ok to be fair HoN is starting to break out of its farm fest, but when tri-lanes broke out and people didnt know how to stop them, it was all "ok which hard carry is gonna farm for 30 + minutes then basically whoever's carry got better support wins". I found league of legends to be incredibly slow paced with that flash ability being combat usable, you cant really punish people for positioning themselves poorly unless you burst them down, and you cant gain level advantages to allow you to burst someone down because of no deny mechanic. Be aware this is most likely a very uninformed opinion and most importantly an opinion on the LoL part. I just didnt get that feeling like if i positioned my hero wrong i couldnt just run/flash away. In Hon you move half a cm too far forward you are dead, without the opponant making a mistake or a teammate coming in clutch. Also the creeps in LoL take forever to kill eachother really slows the pace of play.
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On August 15 2011 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 23:05 Ryhn wrote:
What the guys griping about the graphics really mean is that the find the aesthetic of the game displeasing.
They don't like the style.
Brood War has horrible graphics, but a great aesthetic -- for example. I honestly doubt thats what they are trying to say.
Graphics are merely the medium through which game developers present aesthetics.
I highly doubt that the guys in this thread are whining because they hate games without uber tech behind them.
That would mean they automatically hate SNES games, Genesis games, Minecraft, Starcraft, Diablo II, and so on.
What people care about is that their games look visually pleasing, above all else.
These people who hate League's visuals are likely not even /thinking/ about poly counts, or theorizing over the resolution of the textures.
They dislike the cartoony, exaggerated proportions that are a fundamental part of it's aesthetic.
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Why is it important anyway if DOTA2 or LoL make it? Seems to be basically the same game.
And I believe most people here have neither a stake in Riot nor in valve, so why care?
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On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens.
http://www.youtube.com/user/colbycheeze#p/u/8/9FiacuSDHb0
On August 16 2011 00:21 Redox wrote:
Why is it important anyway if DOTA2 or LoL make it? Seems to be basically the same game.
And I believe most people here have neither a stake in Riot nor in valve, so why care?
You're on a gaming website and you're asking people why they care if a game they play other than StarCraft gets popular/mainstream.
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On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens.
Yeah, what the fuck game is he watching?
I've seen 40 minute competitive LoL games with under 15 kills.
You actually see more kills, earlier on in HoN so I have no idea what the people who call LoL fast paced are talking about.
On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens. http://www.youtube.com/user/colbycheeze#p/u/8/9FiacuSDHb0Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:21 Redox wrote:
Why is it important anyway if DOTA2 or LoL make it? Seems to be basically the same game.
And I believe most people here have neither a stake in Riot nor in valve, so why care? You're on a gaming website and you're asking people why they care if a game they play other than StarCraft gets popular/mainstream.
The game you posted had an early game kill and then by around 15 minutes... There are around 5 kills total. The kill count in LoL is generally much lower from what I've seen. The kills didn't even start climbing until the game went one-sided and one team started getting rolled. Even then the 30 minute game had 15 kills...
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On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens. http://www.youtube.com/user/colbycheeze#p/u/8/9FiacuSDHb0
Even if it is one of every 10 games all the channel does is prove my point.
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On August 15 2011 22:37 Senx wrote:
Silly people thinking valve were actually going to outdo riot games in the esport department.. I dont think people realize how much spare money this company has to throw around.
GG no re valve.
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You know Valve developed Steam right?
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2011/02/04/steam_revenue_nearly_hits_1_billion
Almost hit 1 bil off 2010 alone. Riot is nothing more than a moth flying around in the bright light that materializes from Valve's aura.
Riot is a joke in the eSports community. Their business side of things they get the job done. Luckily for them that they struct gold as they were the first F2P MOBA game (I think) with micro transactions in a period where MOBA games were dying.
Anyway, my post in response to Riot announcing the S2 prize pool:
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On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens. http://www.youtube.com/user/colbycheeze#p/u/8/9FiacuSDHb0
that's quite the one-sided stomp and even then it's only 3-12 as the game ends. The problem is that with flash, towers on steroids and the fact that it's really easy to ward yourself to safety LoL really rewards you for just sitting in lane and farm away.
But to be more on-topic i just hope that these big prize-pools coming out from DotA2 and LoL aren't just a bubble waiting to burst and discourage future investors from going into ESPORTS.
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Riot strikes me as having been perfectly content milking new heroes and skins until the end of time unless a competitor steps up that frightens them. How is it that they come off looking like they are scrambling when they've had such a huge headstart? And does anyone care about their new Arathi Basin mode when so much of their game is frankly lacking in ways that even Bnet 2.0 would be ashamed
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I am glad that Riot is supporting their title and esports in general with some serious $$, setting the bar high...
Very cool that a free-to-play business model can afford expenditures like that
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On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:21 Redox wrote:
Why is it important anyway if DOTA2 or LoL make it? Seems to be basically the same game.
And I believe most people here have neither a stake in Riot nor in valve, so why care? You're on a gaming website and you're asking people why they care if a game they play other than StarCraft gets popular/mainstream.
The point was that both are the same game. Its not like a question of starcraft vs dota or something.
Its dota vs dota.
And people havent even played dota2, so its impossible to have informed opinions about which dota is better.
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On August 16 2011 00:24 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 16 2011 00:18 Alaron wrote:On August 16 2011 00:16 Shikyo wrote:On August 16 2011 00:12 alkow wrote:On August 16 2011 00:10 Jswizzy wrote:On August 16 2011 00:06 OdnoB wrote:
i played my first game of LoL yesterday and was quite unimpressed =/ However I cant speak for what their competitive scene is like but with so many escape mechanisms, no ability to deny, and towers doing a million damage, seems like the game would be even more of a farmfest than HoN atm, and thats a bad thing. Game doesnt get me excited while playing it, but grats to those who enjoy it quite the prize pool up for grabs :D That's because LOL is streamlined to be fast paced. Think of it as the COD of MOBA games. LoL fast-paced? LoL is the slowest paced MOBA out there. True for competitive games but it's the fastest-paced casually imo. You rarely get the 2-3 kill/min games in HoN or DotA from my exp, in LoL it's like that every other game Are you watching the same High level LoL games I am? This never happens. http://www.youtube.com/user/colbycheeze#p/u/8/9FiacuSDHb0 Even if it is one of every 10 games all the channel does is prove my point.
Point remains that blanket statement tend to make poor arguments. "Slowest paced MOBA" isn't something quantifiable, so let's not use it as a comparison.
But I digress... this thread isn't another LoL vs HoN thread. You've had plenty of warnings. Must you come into yet another LoL thread just to put it down? I think people understand your disdain for LoL by now.
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LoL elo system needs to be revamped cause its garbage my highest ELO has been 1610 (not good) but ive been down to the 1200's and back up twice its the most annoying system ever made.
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On August 16 2011 00:32 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 16 2011 00:21 Redox wrote:
Why is it important anyway if DOTA2 or LoL make it? Seems to be basically the same game.
And I believe most people here have neither a stake in Riot nor in valve, so why care? You're on a gaming website and you're asking people why they care if a game they play other than StarCraft gets popular/mainstream. The point was that both are the same game. Its not like a question of starcraft vs dota or something. Its dota vs dota. And people havent even played dota2, so its impossible to have informed opinions about which dota is better.
Blinding passion and/or rabid fanboyism. People like to take sides, even if it's a non-issue.
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On August 16 2011 00:32 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:22 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 16 2011 00:21 Redox wrote:
Why is it important anyway if DOTA2 or LoL make it? Seems to be basically the same game.
And I believe most people here have neither a stake in Riot nor in valve, so why care? You're on a gaming website and you're asking people why they care if a game they play other than StarCraft gets popular/mainstream. The point was that both are the same game. Its not like a question of starcraft vs dota or something. Its dota vs dota. And people havent even played dota2, so its impossible to have informed opinions about which dota is better.
Its not the same game, it's like saying WC3 and SC2 are the same game.
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On August 16 2011 00:31 Mikejonez wrote:
I am glad that Riot is supporting their title and esports in general with some serious $$, setting the bar high...
Very cool that a free-to-play business model can afford expenditures like that
Actually I find it incredibly sickening. If they have $5mil laying around then it's because they've milked so much money from their customers through runes, new heroes, ip/xp boosts, and other grinding elements that they have a ton of disposable income. Lol is actually one of the most expensive games on the market, but people are just so easily fooled by F2P or willing to grind that they overlook the costs.
Personally no matter how big it gets I won't watch or support LoL competition because I really really don't like their style of F2P. HoN's I don't like either, but I find it more acceptable given that a free account playing a free hero is the same as a legacy account playing the same hero right from the start.
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I have to say it's kind of hilarious that anyone thinks that the 5 million prize pool will attract more players in the face of their shitty business model.
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I don't care for LoL at all. They can bump up their prize pool as much as they want, it's not gonna hook my attention. Also I don't care that it's gonna be at MLG (although from a business perspective I dunno why MLG did it considering Dota2 is right round the corner), I'll just watch Starcraft 2 happily anyway.
I've seen a couple of games of LoL before, and it just infuriates me. People are getting so excited for a game that looks like an episode of Rugrats.
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