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Why does every thread that mentions LoL NEED to turn into a LoL vs HoN vs Dota2 thread? Seriously, cut it out. Page 7, 00:29 KST. | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
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Aruno
New Zealand748 Posts
We are spoilt you know ^_^ | ||
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Cenequus
Italy31 Posts
On August 16 2011 07:19 DerNebel wrote: They did make a team. And they actually gave fnaticMSI, the winners of DreamHack, a decent run for their money in the early to mid-game. Then it went downhill fast. I think we should reach a point somewhere between LoL and DotA. The pacing in LoL games seem a bit better, since 40m minimum for games seem a bit much, LoL seems better off in that regard. DotA, however, supports a fucking ton of different strategies, all viable on top levels of play. From 2-1-2 lanes to 3-1-1 to 2-1-1 with 1 roam to 2 roamers and a ton of ganks to heavy pushing or turtling, the list goes on. Dota is a very dynamic game, and LoL just isn't there yet. About the topic itself. Ummm, that is a lot of money. A LOT of money. Actually, that is a butt-freaking-ass-load of money. Maybe a bit too much money to be honest. I hope to god they start trying to make different strategies viable in their game, instead of the obligatory somewhat stale laning phase that currently exists, with score being 2-2 with no towers down at first dragon fight, because Flash is too good. So yeah, awesome job Riot, let's hope the playerbase is big enough for both of you! I'm not gonna say LoL supports more tactics(even if it might be true) but supports just as many as old Dota,because of the jungler which is better than a roamer,anyway: 2-1-1 was the first mass meta on LoL but soon died because you need early dragon control, 1-1-2 is you breath an butter but since RIOT is gonna eliminate healing this might change,tri-lane with roamer,1-1-1 which I hear is very strong and popular on HoN was very strong on Us both on SoloQ and premade but then they came to Eu and got destroyed because it's easy to counter with different warding. Now to this metas you have a different comp which adds something both DOTA and HoN lack,mages scale,which mean you can have bruiser/mage/AD,melee mage/made/AD,mage/mage/AD etc. I'd really love to see DOTA 2 making mages scale too. I had a point somewhere but forgot  Ah yes split pushing is way more strong in LoL because you have to control both baron and dragon. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On August 16 2011 07:25 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: There have been many fps games that coexisted as an esport. Why shouldn't this be possible for moba games? I think LoL is different enough from Dota2 to coexist. You've never seen quakers argue with cs players, have you? You can't really compare the 2 games. CS is a team game while Quake is primarily solo (some TDM/other mode). Why would the 2 communities argue with each other? If you said CS 1.6 vs CS:S, then yes, the 2 have been known to fight among each other for years. You are right that LoL can still exist when DotA 2 is out since the 2 are different. I think LoL players will continue playing the game while some switch to DotA 2. HoN has a higher chance of "dying", but I don't see it until a couple of months or a year or two later after DotA 2 is out. | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
On August 16 2011 07:45 zoLo wrote: You can't really compare the 2 games. CS is a team game while Quake is primarily solo (some TDM/other mode). Why would the 2 communities argue with each other? If you said CS 1.6 vs CS:S, then yes, the 2 have been known to fight among each other for years. You are right that LoL can still exist when DotA 2 is out since the 2 are different. I think LoL players will continue playing the game while some switch to DotA 2. HoN has a higher chance of "dying", but I don't see it until a couple of months or a year or two later after DotA 2 is out. That's my point, their differences allowed them to coexist, quake and cs that is. I think LoL and dota have enough differences to coexist aswell. I don't think that the relation between dota and lol is that of cs1.6 and cs:s. Basically, CS:S is bad clone of 1.6. For dota, that role is filled by hon. | ||
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United States2822 Posts
On August 16 2011 07:23 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: LoL is the most popular e-sport because a single tournament, with massive publicity from RIOT that would show up in your face everytime you started LoL or showed up to their website, had four times the viewers of a completely unmarketed for SC2 tournament, that is one of the 10 major tournaments going on every single month, with both smaller and larger tournaments streaming every single day of the week, combined with about 100+ casters on youtube that constantly post video's and thousands of people streaming starcraft every single day? I'm still gonna go with SC2 as the bigger e-sport, sorry. Call me when there's more than one LoL tournament going on that isn't completely funded and organized by RIOT themselves. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with SC2 being bigger in the e-Sports franchise right now. But LoL is a more popular game as a whole. | ||
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noD
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 16 2011 07:25 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: There have been many fps games that coexisted as an esport. Why shouldn't this be possible for moba games? I think LoL is different enough from Dota2 to coexist. You've never seen quakers argue with cs players, have you? Sc and Wc3 is a better comparison. | ||
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Sumwar
Canada199 Posts
I actually have been a bit negative with Riot, I have faith with them, but still, be careful Riot, don't just do what Valve is doing by throwing a lot of money on a small number of tournaments then stop putting money into tournaments and hope LoL stays popular as an esport over the long term. | ||
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MegaManEXE
United States845 Posts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=769425 Words from the man himself, he got stuck in 1500-1800 for a while. He says he duoed with CallMeVigoss to get to the top, I heard somewhere that he played with Solomid for a while but maybe I heard wrong. Point is he had a little help and he didn't go straight from 1200 to 2400 and rank #1 in one month like everyone seems to think. And another post by him on his thoughts on the game just for kicks: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=9121735&highlight=#post9121735 | ||
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ztranger
Sweden57 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On August 16 2011 08:50 ztranger wrote: LoL is a nice esports team game, I watched the end of season 1 tournament at dreamhack and it was excellent both in exiciting matches and production values. I will definately attend the next dreamhack also. Bleh, I have to disagree. I originally watched is a promotional title at WCG and I thought it was really dull but I gave it another chance at Dreamhack and it was pretty much the same. Games were snore-fests with very few kills, particularly in the early laning phase, unless someone screwed up and overextended, the observing and commentary was pretty "meh" and it was really disappointing when there actually was a kill, you'd see the camera pan over to where it happened and the commentator say, "Oh, looks like there was a kill at bottom". But yeah, observing for these kinds of games can be hard, and LoL doesn't have skilled observers right now, probably because they barely have a fucking spectator and replay model setup. Also, the whole disconnect and no-regame fiasco just killed the entire tournament for me. How can you have a competitive game with no pause function? The moment one team's carry disconnected for 3+ minutes, the game was pretty much over for them. Really disappointing. I may give LoL's competitive scene another gander at the next event, let's hope the third time is the charm. Also, the Ionia vs Noxus game was dumb as shit, but that was a while ago and I'm not counting that as the "third". | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
The lack of great commentators is a little bit concerning considering that it has been out for a while. All the usual commentators like Phreak and Colby are just not good enough imo. I liked the 4Deman and Joe Miller combination for the EPS and EMS or w/e it was though. | ||
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RodYan
United States126 Posts
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On August 15 2011 22:37 Senx wrote: Silly people thinking valve were actually going to outdo riot games in the esport department.. I dont think people realize how much spare money this company has to throw around. GG no re valve. It isn't just that they have all that spare money, there are a heck of a lot of E-Sports fans working for that company compared to Valve, in the upper departments that make decisions like where do we spend money. | ||
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Dr.FuzzyBallz
Canada25 Posts
i saw dota 2 trailer little disappointing.. trailer was CG but bad CG... so that lowers my hopes for the graphics.. Also i love LoL graphics because they will take forever to feel outdate, and can be updated super easy, so i was hoping Dota 2 would go all out, i still may be wrong and they may go all out.. One thing i started LoL a week ago, and i missed dota heroes, but NOW i dont know how ill play without Vayne best hero ive ever palyed in dota hon or LoL by FARRRRR so muchhh fun.. i use to play Slardar or Ursa warrior in Dota.. so still look forward to dota 2. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2011 09:41 Mordiford wrote: But yeah, observing for these kinds of games can be hard, and LoL doesn't have skilled observers right now, probably because they barely have a fucking spectator and replay model setup. Also, the whole disconnect and no-regame fiasco just killed the entire tournament for me. How can you have a competitive game with no pause function? The moment one team's carry disconnected for 3+ minutes, the game was pretty much over for them. Really disappointing. I have to agree that was extremely poorly run. All the worse because game 2 of that series was IMO the most exciting game of the entire tournament, and their handling of the disconnect robbed us of one, and possibly even 2 good games. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On August 16 2011 10:23 Dr.FuzzyBallz wrote: I really hope LoL doesnt die off after Dota2... i saw dota 2 trailer little disappointing.. trailer was CG but bad CG... so that lowers my hopes for the graphics.. Also i love LoL graphics because they will take forever to feel outdate, and can be updated super easy, so i was hoping Dota 2 would go all out, i still may be wrong and they may go all out.. One thing i started LoL a week ago, and i missed dota heroes, but NOW i dont know how ill play without Vayne best hero ive ever palyed in dota hon or LoL by FARRRRR so muchhh fun.. i use to play Slardar or Ursa warrior in Dota.. so still look forward to dota 2. The Dota 2 trailer looked like it was done using the in-game engine, I highly doubt it was CG, it was more than likely similar to the TF movie making that Valve does, it's all using in-game assets. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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