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Why does every thread that mentions LoL NEED to turn into a LoL vs HoN vs Dota2 thread? Seriously, cut it out.
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The perfect esport game is 'easy to learn hard to master' I have seen that discussion here on teamliquid when sc2 was released being called a scrub version of bw and stuff. Overall I do enjoy watching sc2 but playing lol and I am very bad at both =D
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On August 15 2011 22:39 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 22:37 Senx wrote:
Silly people thinking valve were actually going to outdo riot games in the esport department.. I dont think people realize how much spare money this company has to throw around.
GG no re valve. That's only a showmatch for 1 million dollars. Don't worry, Valve isn't done.
ROFL, I'm not on any side, but that was funny. And I'm not a Valve fanboy.
But saying "5m prizepool for season" would scare a company which worth -probably- billions of dollars is just ridiculously funny.
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On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority
I agree that joke was a bit too strong. But if you think in terms of skill involved in LoL, it's not that much compared to dota/hon. Chu is a great example; he got to rank 1 in a matter of a few months. In retrospect, LoL pros are a good example too. None of them got close to number 1 in hon/dota. Of course, you can argue saying that there's no reason to waste time on a different game, but what's the reason for wasting time to get your smurfs to top 10 on ladder?
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On August 16 2011 06:16 jstar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority Considered a joke by anyone who takes e-sports seriously. Even with it's massively overwhelming userbase over HoN, LoL's tournament scene is ants compared to HoN's. FnaticMSI, EG, SK gaming, gosugamers etc and hundreds of sponsors support HoN.
You mean those teams that I watch each sunday in go4lol are playing the wrong game?
On August 16 2011 06:21 billy5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority I agree that joke was a bit too strong. But if you think in terms of skill involved in LoL, it's not that much compared to dota/hon. Chu is a great example; he got to rank 1 in a matter of a few months. In retrospect, LoL pros are a good example too. None of them got close to number 1 in hon/dota. Of course, you can argue saying that there's no reason to waste time on a different game, but what's the reason for wasting time to get your smurfs to top 10 on ladder?
No offense but Chu is nobody even in the NA comunity. When he was still activelly playing(1 champion trick which is pretty lame btw) he got recruited by TSM(Chaox knew him from HoN)but he got kicked like 1 week later because he was actually bad playing any other champ beside Maokai.
While NA has better individual players their teams hardly can beat top 30 Eu teams because they play so much SoloQ. Yes SoloQ makes you a worse player. well you learn the basics like warding,last hitting,counter jungling(if you're a jungler) but beside that everything you do in SoloQ is worthless in premade.
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I have a question to those who are involved in the LoL pro scene:
Do you feel cheated by riot?
I mean, if riot had 5mil to spare, wasn't the 100k prize pool for season 1 a bit greedy on their part?
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On August 16 2011 06:21 billy5000 wrote:
I agree that joke was a bit too strong. But if you think in terms of skill involved in LoL, it's not that much compared to dota/hon. Chu is a great example; he got to rank 1 in a matter of a few months. In retrospect, LoL pros are a good example too. None of them got close to number 1 in hon/dota. Of course, you can argue saying that there's no reason to waste time on a different game, but what's the reason for wasting time to get your smurfs to top 10 on ladder?
Again, Chu's accomplishment doesn't mean a whole lot, because by that standard, the fact that every GSL winner to date has been a washed up BW pro makes SC2 a joke as well. Which, of course, is a reasonable opinion to have, but if you're going to bash one game, you better be consistent in your reasoning.
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I don't understand how people keep comparing LoL and DotA and DOTA2, they are COMPLETELY different, yes LoL is based of dota, but Riot changed it radically. In my opinion, for the worse =[
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On August 16 2011 06:22 Cenequus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:16 jstar wrote:On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority Considered a joke by anyone who takes e-sports seriously. Even with it's massively overwhelming userbase over HoN, LoL's tournament scene is ants compared to HoN's. FnaticMSI, EG, SK gaming, gosugamers etc and hundreds of sponsors support HoN. You mean those teams that I watch each sunday in go4lol are playing the wrong game?
Also, SK and Fnatic already have LoL teams. SirScoots has mentioned on a Lo3 cast that EG is waiting to see how things go before deciding if they want to pick up players.
There are weekly cups, but no real competitions regularly in the LoL scene. Only WCG and the Season 1 Championship so big organizations and sponsors haven't seen what is going on yet. I wouldn't be surprised though that at Raleigh that business cards don't start getting handed out to teams.
Too much money and exposure and money is being pushed into LoL for the number of sponsored teams to stay small.
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On August 16 2011 06:30 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:22 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:16 jstar wrote:On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority Considered a joke by anyone who takes e-sports seriously. Even with it's massively overwhelming userbase over HoN, LoL's tournament scene is ants compared to HoN's. FnaticMSI, EG, SK gaming, gosugamers etc and hundreds of sponsors support HoN. You mean those teams that I watch each sunday in go4lol are playing the wrong game? Also, SK and Fnatic already have LoL teams. SirScoots has mentioned on a Lo3 cast that EG is waiting to see how things go before deciding if they want to pick up players. There are weekly cups, but no real competitions regularly in the LoL scene. Only WCG and the Season 1 Championship so big organizations and sponsors haven't seen what is going on yet. I wouldn't be surprised though that at Raleigh that business cards don't start getting handed out to teams. Too much money and exposure and money is being pushed into LoL for the number of sponsored teams to stay small.
Well wednesday I'm going to Cologne to watch IEM,I heard they have big LoL tournament.Also the qualifications for the IEM finals in China(can't go there too) just finished. Also it's the second year of IEM for loL.
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On August 16 2011 06:19 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 23:36 Alaron wrote:On August 15 2011 23:26 Senx wrote:On August 15 2011 23:22 Looky wrote:
all pro dota players pick this game up take the money and go back to playing dota2. ez. even one of the best hon players got ranked 1 on solo ladder for playing it only a month. Yeah bro chu8 and his team just dominated the shit out of the LoL scene, oh wait they havent won anything.. Derp? Wanna see something funny? ![[image loading]](http://i52.tinypic.com/1z48h9w.jpg) Took him less than 3 months. Imagine if an ENTIRE team were to go to LoL. Every GSL (open or Code S) winner to date is an ex-BW pro. Somehow 1 ex-HoN player holding rank 1 on ladder for a little while in LoL makes LoL laughable by comparison, but every winner of arguably the most competitive SC2 tournament circuit in the world being an ex-BW pro (and not even GOOD ex-BW pros--mostly B-teamers and a few washed up A-team players) doesn't do the same for SC2?
A top HoN player did it in 3 months. He's still in the top 30 and hasn't really played LoL for at least a month. Most hardcore dota fanatics don't go and play LoL. He did and he didn't have nice things to say about the game. LoL is different but much easier. Chu did this with Maokai and I'm sure anyone that plays ranked LoL knows that doesn't happen since hes a super low tier champ.
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On August 16 2011 06:32 Cenequus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:30 Aurdon wrote:On August 16 2011 06:22 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:16 jstar wrote:On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority Considered a joke by anyone who takes e-sports seriously. Even with it's massively overwhelming userbase over HoN, LoL's tournament scene is ants compared to HoN's. FnaticMSI, EG, SK gaming, gosugamers etc and hundreds of sponsors support HoN. You mean those teams that I watch each sunday in go4lol are playing the wrong game? Also, SK and Fnatic already have LoL teams. SirScoots has mentioned on a Lo3 cast that EG is waiting to see how things go before deciding if they want to pick up players. There are weekly cups, but no real competitions regularly in the LoL scene. Only WCG and the Season 1 Championship so big organizations and sponsors haven't seen what is going on yet. I wouldn't be surprised though that at Raleigh that business cards don't start getting handed out to teams. Too much money and exposure and money is being pushed into LoL for the number of sponsored teams to stay small. Well wednesday I'm going to Cologne to watch IEM,I heard they have big LoL tournament.Also the qualifications for the IEM finals in China(can't go there too) just finished. Also it's the second year of IEM for loL.
^ Correct. $32,000 for League of Legends and arguably the best teams from Europe and USA are competing in it.
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On August 16 2011 06:34 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:19 TheYango wrote:On August 15 2011 23:36 Alaron wrote:On August 15 2011 23:26 Senx wrote:On August 15 2011 23:22 Looky wrote:
all pro dota players pick this game up take the money and go back to playing dota2. ez. even one of the best hon players got ranked 1 on solo ladder for playing it only a month. Yeah bro chu8 and his team just dominated the shit out of the LoL scene, oh wait they havent won anything.. Derp? Wanna see something funny? Took him less than 3 months. Imagine if an ENTIRE team were to go to LoL. Every GSL (open or Code S) winner to date is an ex-BW pro. Somehow 1 ex-HoN player holding rank 1 on ladder for a little while in LoL makes LoL laughable by comparison, but every winner of arguably the most competitive SC2 tournament circuit in the world being an ex-BW pro (and not even GOOD ex-BW pros--mostly B-teamers and a few washed up A-team players) doesn't do the same for SC2? A top HoN player did it in 3 months. He's still in the top 30 and hasn't really played LoL for at least a month. Most hardcore dota fanatics don't go and play LoL. He did and he didn't have nice things to say about the game.
Same thing for nevo's miggel and Angel (of RapedbyAngel fame) who competed in a LoL tournament and got first prize.
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On August 16 2011 06:26 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:21 billy5000 wrote:
I agree that joke was a bit too strong. But if you think in terms of skill involved in LoL, it's not that much compared to dota/hon. Chu is a great example; he got to rank 1 in a matter of a few months. In retrospect, LoL pros are a good example too. None of them got close to number 1 in hon/dota. Of course, you can argue saying that there's no reason to waste time on a different game, but what's the reason for wasting time to get your smurfs to top 10 on ladder? Again, Chu's accomplishment doesn't mean a whole lot, because by that standard, the fact that every GSL winner to date has been a washed up BW pro makes SC2 a joke as well.
To me, LoL and Hon/Dota are completely different games, I know its hard to admit for most LoL players, but the playing style is totally different, which means that if you want to do such comparison, LoL could be WC3, BW would be Dota and SC2 would be HoN (or something like that), the transition from dota to hon being easy just like bw to sc2, but the wc3 - sc2 transition being a different thing.
But if you want to argue here that SC2 is a joke, sure go for it, I still dont understand why 95% of the playerbase of LoL gives their soul out everytime their games comes out in a thread in order to defend it. Ive played Dota and HoN for a long time, and im ready to admit that both games have had their fair share of big problems and things that could be ameliorated, and I dont know why a grand majority of LoL players can't admit that their game is not perfect. I think its quite obvious that LoL is not quite the competitive game as Dota is, is that bad ? No. Does that make LoL a terrible game ? Of course not. It just makes it a more casual game, and I think that instead of totally going overboard and defending it, LoL players should be somewhat proud of the fact that its not as competitive of a game as Dota because thats exactly what the game should be banking on and its the prime reason for this success.
I hate this non stop debate between those games, just because its the same ''genre'' of game doesnt mean that its the exact same thing and ones better then the other. They both have their goods, they both have their bads. Personnally I think the ''good'' of dota and its sub-clone HoN is their design towards a competitive game and high level. On the other side, LoL is the perfect game when youre looking for a more casual experience, to just kick back and have fun with a couple of friends, and serves as a perfect introduction to people new to this genre of games (MOBA, tarps, call it as you want). Now am I saying that LoL cant be played on a competitive level at all ? Of course I am not, but I think its pretty obvious that theres one game thats more focused on this than the other, and I dont see why people feel so obliged to deny that.
In any case, cant wait to see how this prize money will be distributed.
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On August 16 2011 06:34 Alaron wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:19 TheYango wrote:On August 15 2011 23:36 Alaron wrote:On August 15 2011 23:26 Senx wrote:On August 15 2011 23:22 Looky wrote:
all pro dota players pick this game up take the money and go back to playing dota2. ez. even one of the best hon players got ranked 1 on solo ladder for playing it only a month. Yeah bro chu8 and his team just dominated the shit out of the LoL scene, oh wait they havent won anything.. Derp? Wanna see something funny? Took him less than 3 months. Imagine if an ENTIRE team were to go to LoL. Every GSL (open or Code S) winner to date is an ex-BW pro. Somehow 1 ex-HoN player holding rank 1 on ladder for a little while in LoL makes LoL laughable by comparison, but every winner of arguably the most competitive SC2 tournament circuit in the world being an ex-BW pro (and not even GOOD ex-BW pros--mostly B-teamers and a few washed up A-team players) doesn't do the same for SC2? A top HoN player did it in 3 months. He's still in the top 30 and hasn't really played LoL for at least a month. Most hardcore dota fanatics don't go and play LoL. He did and he didn't have nice things to say about the game. LoL is different but much easier. Chu did this with Maokai and I'm sure anyone that plays ranked LoL knows that doesn't happen since hes a super low tier champ.
Correction: A top HoN player got up to 1600 by himself and then got carried the rest of the way by one of the best current LoL teams that are out there before they decided to drop him.
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On August 16 2011 06:30 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:22 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:16 jstar wrote:On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority Considered a joke by anyone who takes e-sports seriously. Even with it's massively overwhelming userbase over HoN, LoL's tournament scene is ants compared to HoN's. FnaticMSI, EG, SK gaming, gosugamers etc and hundreds of sponsors support HoN. You mean those teams that I watch each sunday in go4lol are playing the wrong game? Too much money and exposure and money is being pushed into LoL for the number of sponsored teams to stay small.
Just take go4lol for example,this is from last Sunday which didn't had many teams because of the IEM China qualifiers:
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/lol/go4lol/cup_24/rankings/
http://www.esl.eu/eu/lol/west/go4lol/cup50/rankings/
http://www.esl.eu/eu/lol/east/go4lol/cup50/rankings/
No "offense" but this is what esports and beeing competitive means,unless I've read the wrong dictionary.
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On August 16 2011 06:38 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:34 Alaron wrote:On August 16 2011 06:19 TheYango wrote:On August 15 2011 23:36 Alaron wrote:On August 15 2011 23:26 Senx wrote:On August 15 2011 23:22 Looky wrote:
all pro dota players pick this game up take the money and go back to playing dota2. ez. even one of the best hon players got ranked 1 on solo ladder for playing it only a month. Yeah bro chu8 and his team just dominated the shit out of the LoL scene, oh wait they havent won anything.. Derp? Wanna see something funny? Took him less than 3 months. Imagine if an ENTIRE team were to go to LoL. Every GSL (open or Code S) winner to date is an ex-BW pro. Somehow 1 ex-HoN player holding rank 1 on ladder for a little while in LoL makes LoL laughable by comparison, but every winner of arguably the most competitive SC2 tournament circuit in the world being an ex-BW pro (and not even GOOD ex-BW pros--mostly B-teamers and a few washed up A-team players) doesn't do the same for SC2? A top HoN player did it in 3 months. He's still in the top 30 and hasn't really played LoL for at least a month. Most hardcore dota fanatics don't go and play LoL. He did and he didn't have nice things to say about the game. LoL is different but much easier. Chu did this with Maokai and I'm sure anyone that plays ranked LoL knows that doesn't happen since hes a super low tier champ. Correction: A top HoN player got up to 1600 by himself and then got carried the rest of the way by one of the best current LoL teams that are out there before they decided to drop him.
Proof? Thats a very specific statement. And its been said that in reverse. He duoed up to 1600 and got to that rating by himself.
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On August 16 2011 06:26 billy5000 wrote:
I have a question to those who are involved in the LoL pro scene:
Do you feel cheated by riot?
I mean, if riot had 5mil to spare, wasn't the 100k prize pool for season 1 a bit greedy on their part?
Not at all. They accrued that money during season 1, I don't know of any investor that would front a million before a game is released. They shattered stream records during WCG, it may not be as fun to watch as SC2 but Riot actually interacts with the community and puts a stream link in game when they are online.
Valve can front the money from the start because they are already have a revenue stream due to being an established company. Additionally, keeping the DOTA name helps a ton.
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On August 16 2011 06:39 Cenequus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:30 Aurdon wrote:On August 16 2011 06:22 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:16 jstar wrote:On August 16 2011 06:11 Cenequus wrote:On August 16 2011 06:09 deji wrote:
As amazing as having a 5 million prize pool sounds, LoL is still considered to be a joke of a game in eSports, much like WoW was/is.
There is a reason why Quake, StarCraft and (as much as I hate to admit) CounterStrike have been reigning the eSports community for over a decade. Those games have a steep learning curve and a pretty much nonexistent skill ceiling. Riot can spew all the money they like, but ultimately, it is the scene that decides whether or not a game will become eSports or not. If you dumb your game down so hard to appease the casual gamer, you run the very severe risk of having your scene only populated by casual gamers, none of whom want anything to do eSports and will flock to the next big fad in two years' time. Quake 3 was released in 1999 and is still being played in almost it's original form (QuakeLive) in various eSports tournaments even today.
Do you really think that LoL will still have massive tournaments in 10 years time if it bases it's success on casuals and proplayers who are only in it for the money? Sorry considered a joke by who? Hipsters that do everything to kill esports? "You either do esports as we say or we rather destroy it". No thanks I hate this vocal minority. Yes you are a vocal minority Considered a joke by anyone who takes e-sports seriously. Even with it's massively overwhelming userbase over HoN, LoL's tournament scene is ants compared to HoN's. FnaticMSI, EG, SK gaming, gosugamers etc and hundreds of sponsors support HoN. You mean those teams that I watch each sunday in go4lol are playing the wrong game? Too much money and exposure and money is being pushed into LoL for the number of sponsored teams to stay small. Just take go4lol for example,this is from last Sunday which didn't had many teams because of the IEM China qualifiers: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/lol/go4lol/cup_24/rankings/http://www.esl.eu/eu/lol/west/go4lol/cup50/rankings/http://www.esl.eu/eu/lol/east/go4lol/cup50/rankings/No "offense" but this is what esports and beeing competitive means,unless I've read the wrong dictionary.
Yup contrary to popular believe, LoL has a competitive scene. It's big but hidden. Unfortunately there are no sites that properly covers the competitive scene.
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On August 16 2011 06:38 TurpinOS wrote:
But if you want to argue here that SC2 is a joke, sure go for it, I still dont understand why 95% of the playerbase of LoL gives their soul out everytime their games comes out in a thread in order to defend it. Ive played Dota and HoN for a long time, and im ready to admit that both games have had their fair share of big problems and things that could be ameliorated, and I dont know why a grand majority of LoL players can't admit that their game is not perfect. I think its quite obvious that LoL is not quite the competitive game as Dota is, is that bad ? No. Does that make LoL a terrible game ? Of course not. It just makes it a more casual game, and I think that instead of totally going overboard and defending it, LoL players should be somewhat proud of the fact that its not as competitive of a game as Dota because thats exactly what the game should be banking on and its the prime reason for this success.
On the contrary, I'm just disappointed so much energy is being poured into arguing toward DotA/HoN being the better competitive game when no similar effort came out for BW in comparison to SC2. Despite the fact that virtually every argument being brought up against competitive LoL could be mirrored in the BW/SC2 discussion.
If we're going to see a great hardcore competitive game replace it's more casual and popular counterpart, I would much rather see BW events than DotA/HoN events. But neither seem to be hugely likely.
On August 16 2011 06:38 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 06:34 Alaron wrote:On August 16 2011 06:19 TheYango wrote:On August 15 2011 23:36 Alaron wrote:On August 15 2011 23:26 Senx wrote:On August 15 2011 23:22 Looky wrote:
all pro dota players pick this game up take the money and go back to playing dota2. ez. even one of the best hon players got ranked 1 on solo ladder for playing it only a month. Yeah bro chu8 and his team just dominated the shit out of the LoL scene, oh wait they havent won anything.. Derp? Wanna see something funny? Took him less than 3 months. Imagine if an ENTIRE team were to go to LoL. Every GSL (open or Code S) winner to date is an ex-BW pro. Somehow 1 ex-HoN player holding rank 1 on ladder for a little while in LoL makes LoL laughable by comparison, but every winner of arguably the most competitive SC2 tournament circuit in the world being an ex-BW pro (and not even GOOD ex-BW pros--mostly B-teamers and a few washed up A-team players) doesn't do the same for SC2? A top HoN player did it in 3 months. He's still in the top 30 and hasn't really played LoL for at least a month. Most hardcore dota fanatics don't go and play LoL. He did and he didn't have nice things to say about the game. LoL is different but much easier. Chu did this with Maokai and I'm sure anyone that plays ranked LoL knows that doesn't happen since hes a super low tier champ. Correction: A top HoN player got up to 1600 by himself and then got carried the rest of the way by one of the best current LoL teams that are out there before they decided to drop him.
You're confusing Chu with Milkfat. Who was a joke in the DotA/HoN community as well, unlike Chu.
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