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Why does every thread that mentions LoL NEED to turn into a LoL vs HoN vs Dota2 thread? Seriously, cut it out.

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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 15 2011 20:05 GMT
#281
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.

SK gaming and Fnatic isn't invited, since this tournament isn't for European teams, apparently

That sounds like pretty "established" names, to me.

Why people come in LoL threads to bash the game, the players or say how much it will die pisses the crap out of me. Thats not what this thread is about, jesus!
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 15 2011 20:07 GMT
#282
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


Yea, millions of useless noobs and scrubs that would get slaughtered in any 1500 rated HoN/Dota game.
Fun fact btw, I've played 1400 games of LoL and am 1430 elo, I've played 60 games of HoN and I'm 1650. I don't even know why people keep talking about HoN in these threads -_- What's with the massive amounts of LoL hate
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Gorguts
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada254 Posts
August 15 2011 20:09 GMT
#283
On August 16 2011 05:04 MegaManEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


Yea, millions of useless noobs and scrubs that would get slaughtered in any 1500 rated HoN/Dota game.


And posts like this (and a lot of others in this thread) are the reason why the moba genre gets such a bad reputation as a gaming community.

The problem with DotA was always that it's too inaccessible for a new player to get into. LoL's matchmaking and leveling system, along with rotating out only 10 free champions per week, allows a new player to not feel too overwhelmed by everything and can learn as they go against people of a similar skill level, rather than being thrown into a game where everyone will yell at them for feeding and not knowing what 80 heroes and 100 items do. Whether you like LoL or not, the fact of the matter is that the game introduced millions of new players into the genre, and they might be players who will help the DotA 2 community grow (believe it or not, not all LoL players are bad Brazilians who go 0-10 with tank Mordekaiser every game).



this post is just pathetic. DOTA isn't accessible enough??? are you crazy?. LoL/DotA are like the easiest games ever. that's why they're so popular. all you have to do is stay near your creeps and not die, and know what items to buy, and you win. and when you lose, just blame your teammates.

the reason MOBA games get laughed at is because EVERY single person who plays them thinks they're a godlike pro, because the games are so damn easy.


User was temp banned for this post.
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 20:12:29
August 15 2011 20:10 GMT
#284
On August 16 2011 04:06 Haemonculus wrote:
I still don't get the crazy irrational LoL/Riot hate. Seriously about a third of the people in these threads sound like they've been personally wronged by the game/company.


This has been mostly forgotten by now, but I'll try to explain here why a lot of people hate Riot and LoL.

Before playdota.com, the original domain for the community was dota-allstars.com (referred to commonly as DA). The webmaster was Pendragon and domain owner, the fat guy now in Riot winning beer drinking competitions and what not. .Video
Then one day, they decided to start offering some kind of dota patcher, a fake intrusive program that had no other use other than to alienate people from dota. A few days later, the forums and other interactive parts of the site were pretty much taken down. Then the site became just a pure text, a letter from Pendragon describing how bad Icefrog is, selling the dota concept for the HoN devs and then to Riot while at the same time working for Valve, in the end redirecting players to leagueoflegends.com, telling that's where the real dota experience will continue.

Now this is interesting, because
1) It's their fault if they buy it. Personally I don't believe they couldn't have created these dota clones without any input from Icefrog, especially having Guinsoo, the earlier dev of dota at hand.
2) We cannot know if it's true even. To further their claims, a letter from a Valve employee was leaked, claming Icefrog was an antisocial Arab called Abdul, who's had a few years of black hole in his CV when he was scouted by Valve, apparently working for S2 and Riot.

While all these claims and defamation may be true, this was just an artificial way of creating E-drama anyway. All they needed was that people would be listening to them.

So yeah, imagine you typed in leagueoflegends.com and it suddenly redirected to dota2.com now. Wouldn't be too happy with that right?

This is a lot of useless E-drama that went on and a lot of outsiders to the dota scene don't know about, but in the end it contributed a great deal to LoL's sudden popularity.

So that's one. The other reason why dota players dislike LoL because it dumbed down some gameplay mechanics, therefore it is considered a noob game in the eyes of hardcore dota fans, like you could see in MYMMaelk's tweet. Imagine a lot of people suddenly considered some other RTS the ultimate competitive game instead of SC2, while that was not the case. A lot of people who started with LoL don't even know about Dota, or how bad Guinsoo's Dota actually was.

Cenequus
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy31 Posts
August 15 2011 20:13 GMT
#285
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.


Hmm let me see some from my memory: Millenium,Sk Gaming,FnaticMSI,gamed!de,mtW,dignitas,Team Liquid(don't know if they are official tho since they are some random 1900 ELO guys),unRestricted,complexity.
Those are the most know big teams but there are many other sponsored teams.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
August 15 2011 20:14 GMT
#286
On August 16 2011 05:01 jstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 04:45 scintilliaSD wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


..

I don't know why you're going ".." because that statement is absolutely 100% true.


It is, but I don't wanna piss of some mods here who might be LoL fanbois. I got warned previously for posting a true and harmless statement.


Uh, no. That's not what you were warned for at all.

Jesus fucking Christ are you that dense? Read your warning again.
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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
August 15 2011 20:14 GMT
#287
This pricepool is as big as it's unexplainable imo.
Great news for LoL players.

Is there an estimation on how many people actually plays LoL? 1.7 million ppl watching the stream last tournament sounds insane.
MegaManEXE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
August 15 2011 20:15 GMT
#288
On August 16 2011 05:09 Gorguts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 05:04 MegaManEXE wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


Yea, millions of useless noobs and scrubs that would get slaughtered in any 1500 rated HoN/Dota game.


And posts like this (and a lot of others in this thread) are the reason why the moba genre gets such a bad reputation as a gaming community.

The problem with DotA was always that it's too inaccessible for a new player to get into. LoL's matchmaking and leveling system, along with rotating out only 10 free champions per week, allows a new player to not feel too overwhelmed by everything and can learn as they go against people of a similar skill level, rather than being thrown into a game where everyone will yell at them for feeding and not knowing what 80 heroes and 100 items do. Whether you like LoL or not, the fact of the matter is that the game introduced millions of new players into the genre, and they might be players who will help the DotA 2 community grow (believe it or not, not all LoL players are bad Brazilians who go 0-10 with tank Mordekaiser every game).



this post is just pathetic. DOTA isn't accessible enough??? are you crazy?. LoL/DotA are like the easiest games ever. that's why they're so popular. all you have to do is stay near your creeps and not die, and know what items to buy, and you win. and when you lose, just blame your teammates.

the reason MOBA games get laughed at is because EVERY single person who plays them thinks they're a godlike pro, because the games are so damn easy.


Thanks for proving my point.
MegaManEXE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 20:17:48
August 15 2011 20:17 GMT
#289
On August 16 2011 05:13 Cenequus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.


Hmm let me see some from my memory: Millenium,Sk Gaming,FnaticMSI,gamed!de,mtW,dignitas,Team Liquid(don't know if they are official tho since they are some random 1900 ELO guys),unRestricted,complexity.
Those are the most know big teams but there are many other sponsored teams.


The TL team is just some guys from TL who grouped up to form a team to play in tournaments, aside from all being members of the LoL subforum here they aren't sponsored or anything like that afaik.

And unRestricted is now sponsored by Curse Gaming.

Edit: Sorry double post :<
jstar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada568 Posts
August 15 2011 20:18 GMT
#290
On August 16 2011 05:04 MegaManEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


Yea, millions of useless noobs and scrubs that would get slaughtered in any 1500 rated HoN/Dota game.


And posts like this (and a lot of others in this thread) are the reason why the moba genre gets such a bad reputation as a gaming community.

The problem with DotA was always that it's too inaccessible for a new player to get into. LoL's matchmaking and leveling system, along with rotating out only 10 free champions per week, allows a new player to not feel too overwhelmed by everything and can learn as they go against people of a similar skill level, rather than being thrown into a game where everyone will yell at them for feeding and not knowing what 80 heroes and 100 items do. Whether you like LoL or not, the fact of the matter is that the game introduced millions of new players into the genre, and they might be players who will help the DotA 2 community grow (believe it or not, not all LoL players are bad Brazilians who go 0-10 with tank Mordekaiser every game).


I see where you're coming from. And while I respect your opinion I happen to think of it from another perspective.

Dota has been around for a very long time, and believe or not, it was the difficulty and the steep learning curve that made it's e-sports involvement so successful today. Following IceFrog and all the drama that happened (Which I won't bother going into), LoL was created and it took a different approach and garnered a huge amount of casual gamers.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint, but from a gamer's standpoint, it brought in a lot of noobs with a different mindset into the MOBA genre, and that is going to significantly hinder the skill level and growth of Dota 2. If you look into Korea or China's culture, you'll find that their new players aren't afraid of learning and climbing that steep learning curve in order to become better. That is why China's Dota scene is leaps and bounds ahead of anywhere else in the world. Their entire community improves at a much faster rate than the rest of the world, simply because there is no casual community to slow them down.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
August 15 2011 20:19 GMT
#291
On August 16 2011 05:05 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.

SK gaming and Fnatic isn't invited, since this tournament isn't for European teams, apparently

That sounds like pretty "established" names, to me.

Why people come in LoL threads to bash the game, the players or say how much it will die pisses the crap out of me. Thats not what this thread is about, jesus!


European teams were not invited to MLG because of the short notice and how long the games take to finish (6 bo3 already) in pool play. They are still part of season 2.
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Cenequus
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy31 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 20:24:24
August 15 2011 20:20 GMT
#292
On August 16 2011 02:21 Kisra wrote:
Show nested quote +
Rinoaaa Neha
The $5 million will be spread out throughout the season to a variety of events so that many teams have the chance of winning prizes #eSports


From Twitter (Rinoa is their eSports director person lady), so its not just one massive tournament with an insane prize pool.


It's tournaments related to Season 2(so not go4lol,EMS,MLG,IEM or WCG-they give their own prizes) from which teams gain points towards the finals(just like it was Dreamhack)

On August 16 2011 05:17 MegaManEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 05:13 Cenequus wrote:
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.


Hmm let me see some from my memory: Millenium,Sk Gaming,FnaticMSI,gamed!de,mtW,dignitas,Team Liquid(don't know if they are official tho since they are some random 1900 ELO guys),unRestricted,complexity.
Those are the most know big teams but there are many other sponsored teams.


I was talking about european teams so i don't know if Curse got both NA and Eu teams.

The TL team is just some guys from TL who grouped up to form a team to play in tournaments, aside from all being members of the LoL subforum here they aren't sponsored or anything like that afaik.

And unRestricted is now sponsored by Curse Gaming.

Edit: Sorry double post :<


I was talking about Eu teams,I know Curse got over unR in Us but don't know if they took Eu one too.
Ophi13
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada238 Posts
August 15 2011 20:26 GMT
#293
On August 16 2011 05:10 Muki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 04:06 Haemonculus wrote:
I still don't get the crazy irrational LoL/Riot hate. Seriously about a third of the people in these threads sound like they've been personally wronged by the game/company.


This has been mostly forgotten by now, but I'll try to explain here why a lot of people hate Riot and LoL.

Before playdota.com, the original domain for the community was dota-allstars.com (referred to commonly as DA). The webmaster was Pendragon and domain owner, the fat guy now in Riot winning beer drinking competitions and what not. .Video
Then one day, they decided to start offering some kind of dota patcher, a fake intrusive program that had no other use other than to alienate people from dota. A few days later, the forums and other interactive parts of the site were pretty much taken down. Then the site became just a pure text, a letter from Pendragon describing how bad Icefrog is, selling the dota concept for the HoN devs and then to Riot while at the same time working for Valve, in the end redirecting players to leagueoflegends.com, telling that's where the real dota experience will continue.

Now this is interesting, because
1) It's their fault if they buy it. Personally I don't believe they couldn't have created these dota clones without any input from Icefrog, especially having Guinsoo, the earlier dev of dota at hand.
2) We cannot know if it's true even. To further their claims, a letter from a Valve employee was leaked, claming Icefrog was an antisocial Arab called Abdul, who's had a few years of black hole in his CV when he was scouted by Valve, apparently working for S2 and Riot.

While all these claims and defamation may be true, this was just an artificial way of creating E-drama anyway. All they needed was that people would be listening to them.

So yeah, imagine you typed in leagueoflegends.com and it suddenly redirected to dota2.com now. Wouldn't be too happy with that right?

This is a lot of useless E-drama that went on and a lot of outsiders to the dota scene don't know about, but in the end it contributed a great deal to LoL's sudden popularity.

So that's one. The other reason why dota players dislike LoL because it dumbed down some gameplay mechanics, therefore it is considered a noob game in the eyes of hardcore dota fans, like you could see in MYMMaelk's tweet. Imagine a lot of people suddenly considered some other RTS the ultimate competitive game instead of SC2, while that was not the case. A lot of people who started with LoL don't even know about Dota, or how bad Guinsoo's Dota actually was.




omg. Guinsoo's Dota is gold :D
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3516 Posts
August 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#294
On August 16 2011 05:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


Yea, millions of useless noobs and scrubs that would get slaughtered in any 1500 rated HoN/Dota game.
Fun fact btw, I've played 1400 games of LoL and am 1430 elo, I've played 60 games of HoN and I'm 1650. I don't even know why people keep talking about HoN in these threads -_- What's with the massive amounts of LoL hate

Fun fact -- the two games don't use the same ELO scale.
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EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
August 15 2011 20:32 GMT
#295
On August 16 2011 05:26 Ophi13 wrote:
omg. Guinsoo's Dota is gold :D


Well from a certain point of view it is. I also liked to play it - for the lolz! :>
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#296
On August 16 2011 05:19 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 05:05 Iplaythings wrote:
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.

SK gaming and Fnatic isn't invited, since this tournament isn't for European teams, apparently

That sounds like pretty "established" names, to me.

Why people come in LoL threads to bash the game, the players or say how much it will die pisses the crap out of me. Thats not what this thread is about, jesus!


European teams were not invited to MLG because of the short notice and how long the games take to finish (6 bo3 already) in pool play. They are still part of season 2.

Oh right, but my point stands; established e-sport names are sponsoring LoL.

Lol I just embarrased myself by a ton hahah
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 20:40:15
August 15 2011 20:38 GMT
#297
On August 16 2011 04:06 Haemonculus wrote:
So that's one. The other reason why dota players dislike LoL because it dumbed down some gameplay mechanics, therefore it is considered a noob game in the eyes of hardcore dota fans, like you could see in MYMMaelk's tweet. Imagine a lot of people suddenly considered some other RTS the ultimate competitive game instead of SC2, while that was not the case. A lot of people who started with LoL don't even know about Dota, or how bad Guinsoo's Dota actually was.




I'm not sure I agree with that letter from Pendragon being a reason for people disliking LoL, as much as it's just unnecessary e-drama, I just don't think people care about it that much.

But what I really found funny was the bolded part. BW anyone? SC2 took BW, dumbed down some mechanics, is considered a noob game in the eyes of many BW hardcore players and used colorful graphics that many people dislike, as shown by the fact many pros play with low. Yet still that's no reason not to call it the ultimate competitive RTS? Why does that work for Starcraft and not Dota?

I don't even play LoL, I play HoN and will play Dota 2, but all this hate is just irrational. There's just something in the internet where people can't respect the others right to be wrong, in whatever way they perceive it. SC2 is not a bad game competitive game because it is easier, LoL may work as well as Dota as a competitive game, and people just need to start respecting the fact that whatever they believe is right doesn't need to be spewed everywhere in a thread that has nothing to do with the subject. Specially when there's a warning not to do that.
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
August 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#298
On August 16 2011 05:18 jstar wrote:
Dota has been around for a very long time, and believe or not, it was the difficulty and the steep learning curve that made it's e-sports involvement so successful today. Following IceFrog and all the drama that happened (Which I won't bother going into), LoL was created and it took a different approach and garnered a huge amount of casual gamers.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint, but from a gamer's standpoint, it brought in a lot of noobs with a different mindset into the MOBA genre, and that is going to significantly hinder the skill level and growth of Dota 2. If you look into Korea or China's culture, you'll find that their new players aren't afraid of learning and climbing that steep learning curve in order to become better. That is why China's Dota scene is leaps and bounds ahead of anywhere else in the world. Their entire community improves at a much faster rate than the rest of the world, simply because there is no casual community to slow them down.


See the thing is, if a game is not accessible for "noobs" or "casuals" to play, then it HAS to be entertaining to watch for it to succeed. If people aren't playing, the company isn't generating income properly, and need to instead take revenue from people watching it and enjoying it (which is free enough advertising to get them playing around in it).

LoL is very easy to get into, and stay into, because it doesn't have a steep learning curve. It's also very easy to tell what is going on due to the graphics style, meaning people are able to watch it and know what's happening even if they suck.

HoN is horrendous to get into casually. The shop interface is overly complex for anyone fairly new to the game, and the dark on dark on darker colour scheme makes spectating it less than enjoyable for a lot of people (every gamer friend I know IRL at the very least). The graphics style simply does not have mass appeal, and the learning curve is too high to keep people playing after the first few games.

I know DotA2 will be sticking more to the Dota/HoN style than LoL, but I will be trying to get into it regardless. However LoL just has too much appeal. Not least because HoN has zero casual appeal due to costing up front as opposed to the "pay nothing now, give us your soul in money later" style of LoL.
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
August 15 2011 20:46 GMT
#299
On August 16 2011 05:19 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 05:05 Iplaythings wrote:
On August 16 2011 02:05 taLbuk wrote:
My biggest problem is LoL has seriously 4 "world class" teams, and only 2 of those are even sponsored by actual eSports teams, while the other 2 are homegrown. Riot can throw money at eSports all they want, but it's not going to suddenly get the big names to play the game OR the big teams to go to Lan events unless they are going to keep paying the tab for it.

SK gaming and Fnatic isn't invited, since this tournament isn't for European teams, apparently

That sounds like pretty "established" names, to me.

Why people come in LoL threads to bash the game, the players or say how much it will die pisses the crap out of me. Thats not what this thread is about, jesus!


European teams were not invited to MLG because of the short notice and how long the games take to finish (6 bo3 already) in pool play. They are still part of season 2.


I'm actually not a big fan of invitationals in general unless it's some commercial event like the DotA launch or the Blizzcon stuff. I don't think an event like MLG should be invitational for League of Legends, is it entirely an invitational event? for Raleigh at least.
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On August 16 2011 05:27 Gescom wrote:
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On August 16 2011 05:07 Shikyo wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:30 jstar wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:25 Loomies wrote:
I read about a few pages of this thread before my head started to hurt.

ITT jealous people that thinks LoL will die even though it brought in MILLIONS of people into the genre that never even touch DOTA.


Yea, millions of useless noobs and scrubs that would get slaughtered in any 1500 rated HoN/Dota game.
Fun fact btw, I've played 1400 games of LoL and am 1430 elo, I've played 60 games of HoN and I'm 1650. I don't even know why people keep talking about HoN in these threads -_- What's with the massive amounts of LoL hate

Fun fact -- the two games don't use the same ELO scale.

top elo of LoL = 2500+ top elo of HoN 2100+ o.O my winrate at HoN 35-24 or so, LoL ranked 110-104 normals 650-490~? I'm not sure what you're trying to say
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