EPTJax has no laning whatsoever without his damage. Solution? Nerf his damage. Why the fuck.
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Jax has no laning whatsoever without his damage. Solution? Nerf his damage. Why the fuck. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
annie is fine, so is brand. GP is debatable but i actually think he's okay \o/ | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:06 BluzMan wrote: I seriously wonder if Riot's been playing the same game as we do. Instead of fixing glaring obvious issues (GP, Annie, Brand), they time and time again resort to nerf the only good things about champions who are already lacking. Jax has no laning whatsoever without his damage. Solution? Nerf his damage. Why the fuck. Remember that Riot likes to fix for lower levels of play when they balance. It's why champs like Xin Zhao and Morde get nerfed - they're too good at stomping baddies. Jax is the same thing. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:33 Woony wrote: Does anyone else think the support changes are stupid? If you walk even near the fight as support without items youll die instantly. That's the point. I don't want to watch another Support Carry bot lane. Let alone play one. | ||
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[SuNdae]
Finland323 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:33 Woony wrote: Does anyone else think the support changes are stupid? If you walk even near the fight as support without items youll die instantly. Yeah I don't know what's going on here. Maybe if they buffed the base hp per level of supports it might work, but as it is now, for example as taric if you go auto attack someone in a team fight you just get obliterated. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:25 ArC_man wrote: If spearshot has lower CD and mana cost, why would anyone want to jump in a teamfight with Cougar form? My thought exactly, Cougar is bad 99% of the time that won't change at all. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:11 dnastyx wrote: Remember that Riot likes to fix for lower levels of play when they balance. It's why champs like Xin Zhao and Morde get nerfed - they're too good at stomping baddies. Jax is the same thing. Jax was: 1) Banned 2) Fucked everyone hard Without fail. He is one of the strongest champions on the lane and if he lands just 1-2 kills the game is over and he snowballs to such insane degrees that regardless of how good you are, the insane stats will just overpower you. Jax a pubstomper? He's OP as hell. That don't mean they shouldn't nerf Brand, Oriana, GP and a whole host of other champs. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:38 Cixah wrote: That's the point. I don't want to watch another Support Carry bot lane. Let alone play one. Janna and Alistar still are as good as ever. Also how is this change gonna change the carry/support bot lane? They just made a few champs horrible, thats it. I mean im fine with nerfing heals but they gotta give the champs some actual compensation for loosing one of their mains strengths and some retarded damage buffs. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:08 gtrsrs wrote: jax isn't supposed to be a good laner though. he's incredibly strong at all stages of the game. they want to let him be strong lategame in certain circumstances, not dominant from level 1. annie is fine, so is brand. GP is debatable but i actually think he's okay \o/ Brand still could still take a light hit with the nerf bat imo. Alistar is going to be the #1 bot lane support now (for support + AD), no way around that. His heal is 100% free and his babysitting and burst are still amazing. Karma mid + Alistar/Maokai/Lux/other nonstandard earlygame supports is going to be extremely stong, but I don't see Karma catching on anytime soon. Well unless some popular streamer picks her up. Then she's gonna go fotm immediately. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 22 2011 18:24 Kaniol wrote: Hmm i'm watching Chauster's stream, checked his brand runes and he is running runes: mpen/mp5/mres/mspeed (red/yellow/blue/quint). What's the reasoning for taking movespeed over AP quints (i also saw him having another AP runepage - more offensive one with scaling ap blue and ap quints but isn't using it this game)? Boots opening vs weaker laner? extra movespeed can help you land your skills a little better while letting you dance out of range of your opponent much easier. also, who was his lane opponent? there are some champs who you want extra movespeed against to dodge skillshots like oriana or urgot. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On August 22 2011 19:50 freelander wrote: if you ran ad quints and marks, and started with doran's blade, your jump did 123 dmg at lvl 1 l0l And all that shit gave you bonus health trolololol~ Fucking imba AD -> HP passive. I pretty much agree with whoever at Riot said that there's no place for those kind of passives in the game. vvv Yeah.. but Jax's current passive is kind of dumb. +30 health on DBlade? SURE WHY NOT. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 22 2011 19:54 Niton wrote: And all that shit gave you bonus health trolololol~ Fucking imba AD -> HP passive. I pretty much agree with whoever at Riot said that there's no place for those kind of passives in the game. I'm not really against changing those free gold passives. But I'm very wary of any change to those passives because given Riot's track record, they've only ever made passives worthless when attempting to nerf/change them (ie. Kayle). | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Some types of passives/skills are just pretty hard to balance as the line between OP and UP can be extremely thin. If Riot thinks that the current Jax passive makes it hard for them to balance him, then sure, change it. It's not like his passive creates fun/unfun gameplay. It's just a stat enhancement. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
Hextech Gunblade: 330 HP Atma's Impaler (base HP): 114 HP -> 2 AD -> 6 HP (120 HP) Rylai's Crystal Scepter: 160 HP Guinsoo's Rageblade: 195 HP (Unstacked) / 291 HP (Fully Stacked) Dunno what else is/can be good on him, but consider this normal build: 3x DBlade = (3)90 Health, 30 AD Hextech = 330 Health, 60 AD, 75 AP Atma's = 52 AD (2637) -> 156 HP -> 3 AD (55 AD) -> 9 HP (167 HP) For buying just those items, Jax winds up with a total of 887 health, vs the 300 those 3 would totally grant. 587 is a whole lot of health - about 1.33 Giant's Belts. And that's with a half-'finished' build. Edit: Yes, I know that that weighs against other champion's passives. But health is a tangible thing, and Jax is one of the few champions blessed with ability passives as well. Health is also unusually effective on someone with 20% dodge, 100 armor and 100+ MR who's building pure offense aside from his boots. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Is it just wishful thinkin? Or should I wait | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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