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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 17 2011 20:45 GMT
#1381
On August 18 2011 05:42 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:41 TheYango wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:35 Craton wrote:
I have never played a single game (w/ PvP) where stealth felt fair or enjoyable.

Brood War?


Artosis and Idra would like a word with you o/

This.
DT rush the bane of all D players
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
August 17 2011 21:02 GMT
#1382
BW is an RTS, e.g. not a game where you control a single avatar.
twitch.tv/cratonz
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 21:10:56
August 17 2011 21:10 GMT
#1383
On August 18 2011 05:27 Parnage wrote:
What exactly is the stealth rework plan anyway? I actually have not seen it. Short duration stealths honestly sound like a better idea.


Eve and twitch get permanent stealth but can be seen by nearby champions, also a full redesign.

Shurelia - Associate Game Designer wrote:

Usual Disclaimer: Please note that this is the current prototype and is not final, please dont use this against me and make me regret giving info.


This is the current prototype Evelynn kit. I wanted to remove a lot of her problems while retaining what I can from what people like about Eve. All names are placeholder. The changes should allow her to have a lot more reliable utility/assassination in cases where she is not stealthed, but remove the feeling of helplessly having no options besides "buy oracle, buy pink wards". Should help with her binary nature.

Passive: Soul Striker: Autoattacks shred flat MR. Spells shred flat Armor. Stacks.

Q: Prana Bolt: Changed to be a pass through missile that seeks its first target in the same way hate spike does.

W: Shadow Stitching. Passive - Bend the Shadows: Xypherous outlined stealth rework. Active - Disperse the Shadows: Evelynn reveals the target area at range for x (scaling) seconds. (scaling range).

E: Ravage Chakra: Evelynn deals damage and instantly stuns the target, dashing towards them immediately after it casts. (Different from leap stuns like pantheon, as it stuns you after they leap to you). No longer shreds armor/mr.

R: Ethreal Ascension: Evelynn ascends to her true form, gains attack speed and movement speed. Upon first transforming she is shrouded in energy and blocks up to X damage for 1.5 seconds. No longer heals on target kill, refreshes on kill still.



Shurelia - Associate Game Designer wrote:

I can give a breakdown of the changes.

Please note that this is the current prototype and is not final, please dont use this against me and make me regret giving info.

Character Passive: Damage is retaining true and is being lowered a bit. Duration is being increased.

Q: Now a passive/active. Passive is the Xypherous outlined stealth rework. Active grants bonus attack speed for x seconds and instantly reloads x Vile Bolts into Twitch's crossbow.

W: Debilitating Poison: Now requires poison on the target to cast. Cast range increased by double. Can no longer be cast if there are no valid targets in range.

E: New Spell. Fires a narrow line missile instantly that deals total attack damage and includes on hit effects. High range, .75 second cooldown but requires Vile Bolts. Vile Bolts are Twitch's ammo resource that replenishes over time or by reloading via Q.

R: Expunge: Can no longer be cast if there is no target in range. Requires poison, cast range doubled. Damage heavily increased.

sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 22:05:10
August 17 2011 22:03 GMT
#1384
On August 18 2011 06:10 GranDim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:27 Parnage wrote:
What exactly is the stealth rework plan anyway? I actually have not seen it. Short duration stealths honestly sound like a better idea.


Eve and twitch get permanent stealth but can be seen by nearby champions, also a full redesign.

Show nested quote +
Shurelia - Associate Game Designer wrote:

Usual Disclaimer: Please note that this is the current prototype and is not final, please dont use this against me and make me regret giving info.


This is the current prototype Evelynn kit. I wanted to remove a lot of her problems while retaining what I can from what people like about Eve. All names are placeholder. The changes should allow her to have a lot more reliable utility/assassination in cases where she is not stealthed, but remove the feeling of helplessly having no options besides "buy oracle, buy pink wards". Should help with her binary nature.

Passive: Soul Striker: Autoattacks shred flat MR. Spells shred flat Armor. Stacks.

Q: Prana Bolt: Changed to be a pass through missile that seeks its first target in the same way hate spike does.

W: Shadow Stitching. Passive - Bend the Shadows: Xypherous outlined stealth rework. Active - Disperse the Shadows: Evelynn reveals the target area at range for x (scaling) seconds. (scaling range).

E: Ravage Chakra: Evelynn deals damage and instantly stuns the target, dashing towards them immediately after it casts. (Different from leap stuns like pantheon, as it stuns you after they leap to you). No longer shreds armor/mr.

R: Ethreal Ascension: Evelynn ascends to her true form, gains attack speed and movement speed. Upon first transforming she is shrouded in energy and blocks up to X damage for 1.5 seconds. No longer heals on target kill, refreshes on kill still.



Show nested quote +
Shurelia - Associate Game Designer wrote:

I can give a breakdown of the changes.

Please note that this is the current prototype and is not final, please dont use this against me and make me regret giving info.

Character Passive: Damage is retaining true and is being lowered a bit. Duration is being increased.

Q: Now a passive/active. Passive is the Xypherous outlined stealth rework. Active grants bonus attack speed for x seconds and instantly reloads x Vile Bolts into Twitch's crossbow.

W: Debilitating Poison: Now requires poison on the target to cast. Cast range increased by double. Can no longer be cast if there are no valid targets in range.

E: New Spell. Fires a narrow line missile instantly that deals total attack damage and includes on hit effects. High range, .75 second cooldown but requires Vile Bolts. Vile Bolts are Twitch's ammo resource that replenishes over time or by reloading via Q.

R: Expunge: Can no longer be cast if there is no target in range. Requires poison, cast range doubled. Damage heavily increased.


oooo if the numbers are right I like twitch's new kit. Much more interesting than stealth-centered surprise buttsex.

I don't get eve's q, what does it mean that it's a pass through missile? DOes that mean it will fire at someone and then go through them, giving you the oppurutnity to hit multiple targets?

And does the Xypheros stealth mean that they can be seen by champions but not wards/cv basically??
sixduck
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States301 Posts
August 17 2011 22:03 GMT
#1385
lol why do they let shurelia design heroes.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 17 2011 22:18 GMT
#1386
what Talon lacks in durability and sustain, he dishes out in mobility


i dont get it, he has 1 charge, unless he 1 shots people he will never be viable as AD.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
August 17 2011 22:21 GMT
#1387
On August 18 2011 03:54 0123456789 wrote:
Poll: Dota 2 or LoL

LoL (42)
 
74%

Dota 2 (15)
 
26%

57 total votes

Your vote: Dota 2 or LoL

(Vote): Dota 2
(Vote): LoL




TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 22:26:37
August 17 2011 22:24 GMT
#1388
On August 18 2011 07:03 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
And does the Xypheros stealth mean that they can be seen by champions but not wards/cv basically??

Pretty much (can't be seen by minions either). Though Xypherous also noted that the stealth-vision range is shorter than normal sight range.

On August 18 2011 07:03 sixduck wrote:
lol why do they let shurelia design heroes.

To be fair, I doubt she's responsible for 2 remakes and a total sustainability rebalance all at once.

Xypherous gave the previous outlines for the steath remake, so I imagine that he's at least partially involved in these 2 remakes.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
August 17 2011 22:26 GMT
#1389
The only hero I'm absolutely certain she designed was Panth, and Panth wasn't a bad idea to be honest, as he's got quite an original concept *shrugs* I like the proposed Twitch a lot, too.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 22:29:46
August 17 2011 22:28 GMT
#1390
On August 18 2011 07:26 Southlight wrote:
The only hero I'm absolutely certain she designed was Panth, and Panth wasn't a bad idea to be honest, as he's got quite an original concept *shrugs* I like the proposed Twitch a lot, too.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=370626

There's not a lot to go on, but Shurelia's track record on champ design really isn't that bad.

Interesting note: almost every champ that Guinsoo designed by himself has had to be massively nerfed/remade.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 17 2011 22:34 GMT
#1391
Why is brackhar so good.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 17 2011 22:35 GMT
#1392
On August 18 2011 00:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
So Im trying to watch the dota 2 stream to see if its any good or not. Anyone capable of explaining what is going on?


I think 5-s and some other extremely knowledgeable dota players(5-s is in the beta for dota2) are doing some commentary on the TL vent for people who aren't aware of heroes/items/abilities/strategy.

Also, word is that the auto-spectator stream is really fucking good, so you may just want to use that one for day2.

I didn't get to watch day1 live, sobusy, gonna watch VoD's now.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 17 2011 22:40 GMT
#1393
the twitch remake with the vile bolts gonna be legendary
im gonna enjoy it so much
And all is illuminated.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 17 2011 22:41 GMT
#1394
On August 18 2011 07:34 Juicyfruit wrote:
Why is brackhar so good.

Geeves

Champions
Garen
Gragas
Kennen
Miss Fortune
Trundle
Xin Zhao


my hero
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 17 2011 22:43 GMT
#1395
On August 18 2011 07:28 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 07:26 Southlight wrote:
The only hero I'm absolutely certain she designed was Panth, and Panth wasn't a bad idea to be honest, as he's got quite an original concept *shrugs* I like the proposed Twitch a lot, too.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=370626

There's not a lot to go on, but Shurelia's track record on champ design really isn't that bad.

Interesting note: almost every champ that Guinsoo designed by himself has had to be massively nerfed/remade.


Guinsoo has designed most of the super early ones, which makes sens esince they didn't have as clear of an idea of what they wanted for each champion to do at the time.

designed by guinsoo:
Alistar
Evelynn
Fiddlesticks
Karthus
Nunu
Shen
Shaco
Soraka
Tryndamere
Twisted Fate
Twitch


hell those are all in the original 40 except shen
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
August 17 2011 23:02 GMT
#1396
Is this Shurelia? o_O;

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhu03f_hey-everyone-shurelia-here_people

freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 17 2011 23:08 GMT
#1397
hell yes
And all is illuminated.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
August 17 2011 23:23 GMT
#1398
In reference to Loco's earlier post about what champions are good for learning each role, I would actually put Ryze (along with Annie) in the AP Carry category. He's a relatively strong laner, and his casting chain requires some thinking (it's not totally mindless). He has no mobility and only a single target root for his CC. This means the player has to be mindful of their positioning in fights.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
August 17 2011 23:28 GMT
#1399
Last hitting is hard enough for low levels without wanting them to use ryze's shitty range/animation. Annie easy farm + easy combo.
twitch.tv/cratonz
chubbly
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand58 Posts
August 17 2011 23:28 GMT
#1400
Hey LoCicero, are you going to start up the commentary thread again? I can't quite articulate how awesome that thread is.

Failing that, did you get the replay distribution thing going?
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