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On August 18 2011 05:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 05:06 Southlight wrote:
He sounds like he has amazing innate skill damage so you can build him tanky like Irelia and voila tanky DPS. Is this how far speculation has come? We don't even speculate how much his base damage is based on spotlights, but on verbal descriptions of the skills? Can we please wait till we have more concrete information before coming up with absurd comparisons?
He has massive ranged poke, too. Vamp scepter opening lets you steal life from the on-hit effects proccing on his ranged stuff so bad that he's like neo ranged Udyr, except with stealth. We must convene on how best to deal with him when using ranged AD.
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On August 18 2011 05:06 Southlight wrote:
He sounds like he has amazing innate skill damage so you can build him tanky like Irelia and voila tanky DPS.
speculation.
nothing in that description suggests that the skills will have good base values or good scaling. Riot does say they want him to be a high risk/high reward assassin, and I trust that they've figured out by now that in order to pull that shit off, you need low base values with high scaling to encourage a glass cannon build.
EDIT: holy shit, Utah, you have been hanging out with Turkey too much, you just trolled the ever loving shit out of me, lol.
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On August 18 2011 05:12 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 05:06 Southlight wrote:
He sounds like he has amazing innate skill damage so you can build him tanky like Irelia and voila tanky DPS. speculation. nothing in that description suggests that the skills will have good base values or good scaling. Riot does say they want him to be a high risk/high reward assassin, and I trust that they've figured out by now that in order to pull that shit off, you need low base values with high scaling to encourage a glass cannon build.
*ahem*
Noxian Diplomacy: Talon viciously stabs his enemy, dealing heavy physical damage and causing them to leave a blood trail that Talon can use to track them.
Clearly "heavy physical damage" means the skill will have high base values, so you can build tanky no problem.
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On a slightly more serious note I'd be more worried about where he'd actually find a spot during laning, which is the issue that a lot of other squishy burst heroes face (ie. Wukong). He doesn't sound like he can jungle, he sounds like he'd probably get run over against sustain heroes, and he sounds like he'd get squashed in bot lane.
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Blood trail sounds fun. I wonder if you can see the blood in brushes/FoW? Seems like it'd be pretty bad if not.
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I mean, blood trail seems like it would be useless unless it's like a nid trap effect or w/e with the on-hit. Otherwise, how would it help avoid jukes/know where to follow flashed over walls?
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Speculation is one thing but you can't really plan a build on a few lines. I could do just the same by saying well better build him like an akali because he's an assassin.(he could be hybrid! Shaco can be done either way)
I do think we have a serious question to ask ourselves though, Can it jungle?
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If Talon's passive considers slow to be "cc", then you probably gotta at least build a phage on this guy ?_? Unless he has so much AD scaling that you don't even need to do that.
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On August 18 2011 05:18 Juicyfruit wrote:
If Talon's passive considers slow to be "cc", then you probably gotta at least build a phage on this guy ?_? Unless he has so much AD scaling that you don't even need to do that.
When in doubt, get Triforce.
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So, really... Riot is working on a stealth remake. Then they release Vayne, MK and now Talon.
Riot doesn't seem very creative lately, and all those short duration stealth crap is getting annoying. Plus they might be shooting themselves in the foot by cluttering the game with stealth while they try to remake it.
Those "autoattacks deal additional damage when X condition is met" passives also float around a lot, don't you think so?
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On August 18 2011 05:24 spinesheath wrote:
So, really... Riot is working on a stealth remake. Then they release Vayne, MK and now Talon.
Riot doesn't seem very creative lately, and all those short duration stealth crap is getting annoying. Plus they might be shooting themselves in the foot by cluttering the game with stealth while they try to remake it.
Given what they have suggested so far about their plans for the stealth remake the new champs with short stealths shouldn't really clutter it. They have stated that the short stealths will probably stay the same while just changing long term stealth mechanics
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What exactly is the stealth rework plan anyway? I actually have not seen it. Short duration stealths honestly sound like a better idea.
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On August 18 2011 05:16 Mogwai wrote:
I mean, blood trail seems like it would be useless unless it's like a nid trap effect or w/e with the on-hit. Otherwise, how would it help avoid jukes/know where to follow flashed over walls?
I'm thinking you get to see a line of blood following the champ via FoW but you won't be able to see the champ himself. With nid trap you can see the champion / his allies if they're close enough.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Stealth rework is targeted at stealth effects for an extended duration (e.g. Twitch, Eve, etc.). Not for short duration tactical stealth like Akali, Shaco.
Btw, called the Nida+Soraka tweaks.
Also, Zhonya and IE cost reductions aren't the last we'll see before Season 2 I think.
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On August 18 2011 05:24 spinesheath wrote:
So, really... Riot is working on a stealth remake. Then they release Vayne, MK and now Talon.
Riot doesn't seem very creative lately, and all those short duration stealth crap is getting annoying.
Haha, really? You just have to find something to be annoyed with.
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On August 18 2011 05:27 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 05:16 Mogwai wrote:
I mean, blood trail seems like it would be useless unless it's like a nid trap effect or w/e with the on-hit. Otherwise, how would it help avoid jukes/know where to follow flashed over walls? I'm thinking you get to see a line of blood following the champ via FoW but you won't be able to see the champ himself. With nid trap you can see the champion / his allies if they're close enough.
oh, I guess that would work. I could stand by that.
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I have never played a single game (w/ PvP) where stealth felt fair or enjoyable.
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Stealth in Bloodline Champions was fine, but they also used short-duration stealths with long cooldowns so they were really clutch "buy time while manually running" sort of stuff, similar to Wukong's decoy.
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On August 18 2011 05:35 Craton wrote:
I have never played a single game (w/ PvP) where stealth felt fair or enjoyable.
Brood War? 
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On August 18 2011 05:41 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 05:35 Craton wrote:
I have never played a single game (w/ PvP) where stealth felt fair or enjoyable. Brood War?
Artosis and Idra would like a word with you o/
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