EPT[Patch 1.0.0.123: Skarner] General Discussion - Page 57
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HazMat
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TomatoShark
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On August 16 2011 17:49 r.Evo wrote: OMG NEW SPOTLIGHT (lol) INFINITY EDGE BLITZCRANK i hate you so much phreak, you don't even know. | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
On August 16 2011 17:54 HazMat wrote: I apologize to anyone that faces me on my smurf. 90% chance I'll be trolling extra hard in all chat so sorry. I'll also probably do dumb plays and suicide because I find it impossible to lose at this Elo unless it's 4v5. makes me feel so shitty all the time =[ | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
Please do not use ignite as a summoner spell. You do not need it. Take Ghost/Flash or Exhaust/Flash. Your damage is over time, not burst. The extra damage isn't as helpful as exhaust's damage mitigation and slow or ghost's mobility. Ignite doesn't help you defend yourself from ganks, which is one of Ryze's main flaws (lack of mobility or significant cc). The longer you keep yourself alive and casting spells in a teamfight the better. Treat Ryze like Kogmaw, or Ashe. You need to be able to beat people 1v1 or even 2v1 with him, because chances are you won't be able to run from them if they have any sort of tenacity. Ignite won't really help you there. So, again, please don't take ignite on Ryze. Also, use move speed quints. They are essential. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On August 16 2011 18:31 LoCicero wrote: To everyone who plays Ryze: Please do not use ignite as a summoner spell. You do not need it. Take Ghost/Flash or Exhaust/Flash. Your damage is over time, not burst. The extra damage isn't as helpful as exhaust's damage mitigation and slow or ghost's mobility. Ignite doesn't help you defend yourself from ganks, which is one of Ryze's main flaws (lack of mobility or significant cc). The longer you keep yourself alive and casting spells in a teamfight the better. Treat Ryze like Kogmaw, or Ashe. You need to be able to beat people 1v1 or even 2v1 with him, because chances are you won't be able to run from them if they have any sort of tenacity. Ignite won't really help you there. So, again, please don't take ignite on Ryze. Also, use move speed quints. They are essential. why are ms quints essential? what masteries do u use? | ||
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Attakijing
United States693 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On August 16 2011 17:49 r.Evo wrote: OMG NEW SPOTLIGHT (lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtmMC23DdT0 "then i immediately go for the most important target--pantheon." pantheons items are mercs, brutalizer and warmogs lol | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On August 16 2011 18:57 Attakijing wrote: "then i immediately go for the most important target--pantheon." pantheons items are mercs, brutalizer and warmogs lol Hahahaha. YES! That part was so good. Just... erh.. wat? | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 16 2011 16:23 Shikyo wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1102898 Oh man. Yeah my opinions. Soraka overly nerfed, Sona might be okay but I think that they should increase her damage a little. Soraka might now work as a tanky Q spammer, which is extremely strange. Stupid starcall still has cast time. This is really Twitching something. Soraka is gonna be be really weak in lane. Same for Sona we might see a shift to putting gay heroes bot rather than support but they still don't farm (Blitz, Alistar, maybe fiddle) Riot does not want support to be good early game yet they don't buff their lategame viability like at all. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 16 2011 18:23 sRapers_ValkS wrote: makes me feel so shitty all the time =[ Eh I've just played so much at this Elo that I know what to do to win. I wish I could write some Elo Hell guide but it's all from experience. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:09 Southlight wrote: Support heroes currently are overpowered as fuck, as it takes superhuman effort and coordination to out-lane support without support. I don't understand how anyone can really complain about sweeping nerfs to them at the moment. And this is coming from someone who tends to main support heroes. Support lanes are not really that strong. They are just really hard to kill. They beat random set-ups but they are really easy to keep up with with a strong lane comp. Sion + Ryze/Pantheon still fucks shit up and will win the lane until their sustain really kicks in. Just because its easy does not mean it too strong. It has been a couple of months and that is not enough time to justify support being nerfed because people play it because it is easy. This is basically the same way champions like Galio, Ryze, Fiddle, Kassadin, Kog and Xin became unviable. Premature balancing has ruined champs so often it is not even funny. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:37 Southlight wrote: Support lanes are ridiculously strong; once they get ahead you're looking at an AD hero that's getting unimpeded farm, and two heroes (the losing bot lane) that's comparatively quite boned. There's a powerbalance issue when you have to pick incredibly carefully and play absolutely masterful with no margin for error to defeat a no-care lane with huge margin for error. That is basically true with a lot of champions, Orianna, Annie, Rumble and Brand are the same deal. They are all very easy to play and if you get ahead the entire other team is fucked not just the bot lane. Yet you still see at dreamhack fnatic putting Gragas and Alistar (Very frail champions that need to snowball) in solo lanes. There are picks that are easier but that does not mean they are better. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
By contrast if you run Janna Panth vs like LS XZ the latter is fucked 99 times out of 100 just because the support hero is so strong. Edit: Like, you can come up with two non-support heroes bot and I'll take Soraka and a random hero, and the Soraka lane will almost always crush, or at worse maintain, bot lane. That's incredibly stupid. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 16 2011 20:05 Southlight wrote: As much as people bitch about Ori Annie and Brand, most heroes have ways of dealing with them. Cow and Grag in particular are actually EXTREMELY strong against AP heroes, so that's a dreadful comparison. By contrast if you run Janna Panth vs like LS XZ the latter is fucked 99 times out of 100 just because the support hero is so strong. Edit: Like, you can come up with two non-support heroes bot and I'll take Soraka and a random hero, and the Soraka lane will almost always crush, or at worse maintain, bot lane. That's incredibly stupid. Cow couldn't hope to win over Oriana or Brand, their range is too great. He would get shot each time he attempted to cover the distance. Gragas is a long range AP but when fighting at max barrel range the odds of missing are pretty big. Meanwhile both Oriana and Brand can fight at max range without any noticeable chance to miss. Brand's W is so easy to land it's basically a target skill. Oriana can move the ball so close it's just a matter of clicking "yes i want to deal damage" Meanwhile a max range barrel moves at such a pace you need to be braindead not to dodge it. The only somewhat decent counter is playing eratic, best done with a champ like Ez or Kat wich can flash, making it hard to land skills. Even then you need to rely on your enemy brand/oriana to be a poor player. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 16 2011 20:05 Southlight wrote: As much as people bitch about Ori Annie and Brand, most heroes have ways of dealing with them. Cow and Grag in particular are actually EXTREMELY strong against AP heroes, so that's a dreadful comparison. By contrast if you run Janna Panth vs like LS XZ the latter is fucked 99 times out of 100 just because the support hero is so strong. Edit: Like, you can come up with two non-support heroes bot and I'll take Soraka and a random hero, and the Soraka lane will almost always crush, or at worse maintain, bot lane. That's incredibly stupid. I am not saying Cow and Gragas are not strong heroes, I am saying that they are not better than the others I mentioned but a lot more unforgiving. I currently play a lot of Gragas and used to play some Alistar and if you die once vs Brand, Annie etc. you are far behind same for Gragas vs champs like Udyr, Cho, Malph, Irelia and other snowbally chars top. There are really strong comps that do not rely on sustain, Fiddle+Blitz, Pirate+Maokai, Pantheon+Sion, Galio+Zilean can push support lanes back to turrets easily. You might need HP regen quints but it is doable. If you can get a quite farmed carry and a borderline useless support bot for 2 decently farmed heroes it is not a bad trade. If you put Zilean+Alistar bot a LS+XZ lane is also fucked. You will never be able to successfully put LS and XZ in bot lane even if all support were removed from the game. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 16 2011 20:37 Southlight wrote: None of those lanes you brought up deal well with AD/support at all, with the possible exception of Panth/Sion and Fiddle/Blitz (both primarily being based on punishing bad positioning. I like how you mention "borderline useless support" though because part of the OPness of support right now is that they can get no farm and still be incredibly useful... which is amusingly why I think most of the Soraka changes don't matter one bit - the real hurt is the cooldown on Astral. Amusingly Zil+Alist is a terrible example for you because you're still looking at a nuker + support. It's basically the same deal as any other comp, it does not rely on sustain rather than burst and CC chains. These comps I mentioned to not punish bad positioning but force either defensive play (less farm) or they will die. Other than Janna support don't do much lategame, Wish barely does anything Astral help one target survive AD damage, Sona barely heals or does damage she basically only has MS and Ulti for a team fight. What is being changed is not support but sustainability. Where Alistar and Zilean are bad anyway in that regard. | ||
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