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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 03:52:34
August 16 2011 03:52 GMT
#1081
And then you get to the majority of situations where that little bit more of armor is vastly inferior to the huge amount of healing lost.

Seems like they overnerfed Soraka.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 03:54:05
August 16 2011 03:52 GMT
#1082
If all the supports are brought to neo-Soraka's power level, we'll be ending the Euro meta really fast.. because there won't be enough viable zero-farm supports.

Other guesses:

Taric:

Q: CD increased to 20, CD reduction changed to 2 on champions, 1 on non-champions ala Skarner
E: Max stun reduced to 1.5 seconds, damage range narrowed.
R: Made somehow more worthless without fixing what's bad about it

Shen:
Passive: same as above, a viability buff for an under-represented champion

Janna:
NOTHING LOL, no lane heal = balanced.

edit:

On August 16 2011 12:46 Fishcakes wrote:
Umm looks like soraka buffs too me. Trade AP ratios on a babysit support for 125 armor (80+45) for 5 seconds. Take that any day.


Except over any decent amount of time, the healing lost is massive. You'll very rarely get a second heal off during a single engage, and your healing for a push is almost halved at 0 AP (more the more AP you get). Soraka needed a tweak to her heal to make it not infinitely spammable in lane, not this.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 16 2011 03:56 GMT
#1083
On August 16 2011 12:46 infinitestory wrote:
ok time to learn janna

edit: if they're going to make Sona AND Soraka heals worthless... how many supports are there left in the game? Zil, Janna, Taric, Karma, maybe blitz, is there even anyone else?

Yea its a damned shame at how they want to totally crush Soraka like that. Its been in the works for quite a while though sadly. They want the player to feel great for having that ONE clutch heal. I guess though its not final so who knows what will go live, they are just changing way too much with her.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
August 16 2011 04:01 GMT
#1084
They hit the one place that soraka needed a nerf which was the insane heals, self sustaining mana, and the ratios. Now they took out her late game, but buffed her early game. Her heals still heal for similar making her similar in laning, but stronger with the armor buff on the heal. That shit is imba. Mid game, you can get the 120 armor, cast it on someone, make them physical dmg immune pretty much, and just rape face. Soraka's going to be stronger early-mid game, and a true support. Not a support with imba late game scaling on heals.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
August 16 2011 04:05 GMT
#1085
On August 16 2011 13:01 0123456789 wrote:
They hit the one place that soraka needed a nerf which was the insane heals, self sustaining mana, and the ratios. Now they took out her late game, but buffed her early game. Her heals still heal for similar making her similar in laning, but stronger with the armor buff on the heal. That shit is imba. Mid game, you can get the 120 armor, cast it on someone, make them physical dmg immune pretty much, and just rape face. Soraka's going to be stronger early-mid game, and a true support. Not a support with imba late game scaling on heals.

you mean they hit the three places that are her only strengths
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Fishcakes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States149 Posts
August 16 2011 04:05 GMT
#1086
Or you can play Alistar and just be awesome.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 16 2011 04:09 GMT
#1087
while trying to retain the saving power of the heals, or even increasing them


yeah good job on Soraka there buddy.
Time for CC spam support meta.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 16 2011 04:13 GMT
#1088
How do you guys carry as support? When your team doesn't farm and gets out of position there's really nothing you can do as support ^_^ I've had much more success playing solo top cause it's so easy to snowball when the enemy is bad.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Fishcakes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States149 Posts
August 16 2011 04:15 GMT
#1089
You cant really carry as support unless you roam like crazy helping out every single lane win (Roam Alistar/Taric)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 16 2011 04:19 GMT
#1090
On August 16 2011 13:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How do you guys carry as support? When your team doesn't farm and gets out of position there's really nothing you can do as support ^_^ I've had much more success playing solo top cause it's so easy to snowball when the enemy is bad.

You don't. Support only magnifies a team.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 16 2011 04:59 GMT
#1091
oh crap. this forum is on the sidebar now. wonder how many people are going to realize TL has had this for like a year lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
August 16 2011 05:05 GMT
#1092
Bleh...I can see the heal on Soraka needing to be nerfed, but 50 percent?
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 16 2011 05:05 GMT
#1093
On August 16 2011 13:59 wussleeQ wrote:
oh crap. this forum is on the sidebar now. wonder how many people are going to realize TL has had this for like a year lol

Oh, I was wondering why there were all of a sudden a whole bunch of bumped threads and new ones..... Didn't put 2 and 2 together.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 16 2011 05:12 GMT
#1094
I posted this in the embarrasing moments thread, but I feel the need to post it here because it is related to LoL and I am pretty sure some of us have done the same thing.



OK. I am playing League of Legends. I am the first pick for my ranked team, and I am picking a character for myself. One of my teammates tells me to pick Mordekeiser for him, but I told him I didn't have Morde. He kept asking over and over, and I kept saying I don't have him. I locked in my character, and the opponents started picking. Only then did I realise it was free week for Mordekeiser and everyone had access to him.

*facedesk*
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 16 2011 05:14 GMT
#1095
my feeling is that soraka and the other super-healers aren't really healthy for the game the way they are now... but 20 seconds on heal? Holy shit. It's like, you get one w per fight and then you're just garbage, there's no other use for you.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
August 16 2011 05:16 GMT
#1096
I'm sure that riot realize that bot lanes are "balanced" at the moment, but they probably also know that in competitive and even solo q play they are just passive farm fests with little scope to achieve anything. It was interesting at first when it was "new", but I'm sure most players agree it's dead boring and I'm sure Riot are going to try and fix the issue with passive play to try and attract players like Chu again.

Personally I think Soraka is the most boring champion to play with Sona a close second, so I'm glad they're thinking of large scale changes to them.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
August 16 2011 05:30 GMT
#1097
Ok, which one of you is ELO POLICE.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
August 16 2011 05:43 GMT
#1098
just saw ELO POLICE on chauster's stream.
who is responsible for this?
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
August 16 2011 05:50 GMT
#1099
Sona's way more fun IMO. AOE stun come on. I think the CD is definitely too long on Sora's new heal though.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 16 2011 05:51 GMT
#1100
On August 16 2011 12:46 infinitestory wrote:
ok time to learn janna

edit: if they're going to make Sona AND Soraka heals worthless... how many supports are there left in the game? Zil, Janna, Taric, Karma, maybe blitz, is there even anyone else?


What I think riot is trying to do is they are trying to break and/or curb the current meta. The change to sona will hurt her early game sustain, but ultimately (if you actually buy AP) will generate more healing power. There are two problems with the current meta that I can see from Riot's perspective: 1. Supports, particularly healers, get too much for free; meaning that supports simply build GP10 and maybe 1 item and someone like soraka heals for near 700 on her ult. I think they are trying to force supports to actually buy items. 2. The current meta is boring to watch for spectators. Simply put, at the highest elos, the bottom lane (barring taric isn't there) is a snooze-fest of afk farming which will generate little excitement for anyone watching. That is a severe problem for a game that is an up and coming esport.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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