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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 16 2011 00:49 GMT
#1061
On August 16 2011 09:48 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 09:38 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:34 57 Corvette wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:25 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:18 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
I really hope double support bot doesn't go mainstream. That shit is terribly ridiculous.

Should be more worried about the support solos, so incredibly annoying to play against.


If you count Lux as a support, then yes incredibly annoying.

More notably Ap Taric top or Janna mid. So much sustain with Taric, and Janna can easily push lane all day since mana on the tornado is incredibly low compared to your typical mid Ap.


I guess I have been lucky enough not to face one of these then. On the other hand, I am pretty much at 1100 ELO so i don't think anyone is smart enough to try these things yet.

I feel you man.... I'm just pushing bronze and I'm lucky if I get someone who knows what support is.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 16 2011 01:02 GMT
#1062
The TL Summoners list is not up to date. Since the subforum is now on the sidebar more people will find out about LoL on TL so i think we need A NEW TL summoner list
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 01:16:42
August 16 2011 01:16 GMT
#1063
Support a waste of time for bronze level. You need people good with champs, not a "good" team comp.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 01:20:06
August 16 2011 01:17 GMT
#1064
On August 16 2011 09:49 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 09:48 57 Corvette wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:38 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:34 57 Corvette wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:25 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:18 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
I really hope double support bot doesn't go mainstream. That shit is terribly ridiculous.

Should be more worried about the support solos, so incredibly annoying to play against.


If you count Lux as a support, then yes incredibly annoying.

More notably Ap Taric top or Janna mid. So much sustain with Taric, and Janna can easily push lane all day since mana on the tornado is incredibly low compared to your typical mid Ap.


I guess I have been lucky enough not to face one of these then. On the other hand, I am pretty much at 1100 ELO so i don't think anyone is smart enough to try these things yet.

I feel you man.... I'm just pushing bronze and I'm lucky if I get someone who knows what support is.

I have met some wonky lanes. Just freeze the lane and you win basically. If you put Cho/Udyr/Irelia top vs Taric and you win. Janna is just going to let you farm if you play defensive. You lose if you go aggressive but they can't do it either and since they barely scale; farming = win for you. ¨



Anyway Pantheon is so much fun on TT and I might pick up or force my ad player too pick up Garen vs Rumble on TT too.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
August 16 2011 01:19 GMT
#1065
On August 16 2011 09:25 Irave wrote:
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On August 16 2011 09:17 HazMat wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:11 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 09:06 HazMat wrote:
What a huge middle finger to HoN hahahahah.

If they are willing to drop $1 million in a single tournament, I think they will easily surpass the 5 million mark. Its a great step to show they are wanting to keep players around for tournaments. Then again I would love to watch the likes of TSM/CLG attempt to play in a competitive Dota2 tournament.

I must be blind as well, I just noticed we got breached by the sidebar :o

I mean the fact LoL and Dota2 both have featured subforums while HoN gets nothing.

Haha yea that makes a lot more sense. I should have been able to figure it out. Has anyone seen the groups for Gamescon. Sk, Fnatic and CLG along with another team in the same group. Giving TSM a fairly easy time to advance out of their group.
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On August 16 2011 09:18 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
I really hope double support bot doesn't go mainstream. That shit is terribly ridiculous.

Should be more worried about the support solos, so incredibly annoying to play against.



As someone who went into ranked too early and abused Sona to immediate 1400s, I'm curious why she's not used solo ever when she's about as strong as she used to be now. Only downside is removal of Locket but fed Sona pushes are retarded.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 16 2011 01:32 GMT
#1066
So what I am getting from these posts is playing support instantly gets me to 1400 elo?

Kidding, but Support is the only role I don't have a character to truly play as. I mean, kayle isn't a support any more, and Galio is not very good at supporting compared to his tanking ability.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 16 2011 01:44 GMT
#1067
On August 16 2011 10:32 57 Corvette wrote:
So what I am getting from these posts is playing support instantly gets me to 1400 elo?

Kidding, but Support is the only role I don't have a character to truly play as. I mean, kayle isn't a support any more, and Galio is not very good at supporting compared to his tanking ability.

Its a nice way to climb elo, but isn't as effective as say being a strong ap champ. You don't get major kills from roaming, but you give your teams nice ward control and a lot of sustain when they always want to group up and roam. It basically almost insures your bot lane won't fail with a proper babysit. The rest is just the standard crap shoot. I made my climb as Soraka, she is incredibly easy to play and really quite effective, I would try playing her first if you want to learn the role.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 16 2011 01:46 GMT
#1068
Soraka is really solid as a support, and cheap on your ip. Probably the first support for anyone to learn.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#1069
On August 16 2011 10:44 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 10:32 57 Corvette wrote:
So what I am getting from these posts is playing support instantly gets me to 1400 elo?

Kidding, but Support is the only role I don't have a character to truly play as. I mean, kayle isn't a support any more, and Galio is not very good at supporting compared to his tanking ability.

Its a nice way to climb elo, but isn't as effective as say being a strong ap champ. You don't get major kills from roaming, but you give your teams nice ward control and a lot of sustain when they always want to group up and roam. It basically almost insures your bot lane won't fail with a proper babysit. The rest is just the standard crap shoot. I made my climb as Soraka, she is incredibly easy to play and really quite effective, I would try playing her first if you want to learn the role.


I think my real problem is that none of the characters I play are the best at what they do.
AD carries: Kayle and Ezreal, who are easily outclassed by like Cait and Ashe.
AP carries: Swain and Gragas, There are plenty of better AP carries out there like annie and orannia.
Tanks: Galio, Maokai, Shen, Amumu (he is good but always banned), All outclassed by singed/cho/alistar/whatever
Junglers: Xin Zhao, There are better junglers
Support: None...
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 16 2011 02:12 GMT
#1070
Swain is much more of a tank then a carry
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 16 2011 02:24 GMT
#1071
I personally want to buy champs that are fun to play (to me, obv.) but then I get yelled at by more experienced players when I mention how I may spend those 7k IP on Kog'Maw, Teemo or Maokai...
Well, free Mao and Kog this week so I'd be a happy man if I didn't have a 3 days trip planned.

Btw, is Kog as viable as AP than as, say, AS? My only AD champs right now are Irelia (offtank) and Ashe (barely play her) and I get told to rather get MF or Caitlyn if I want to play some AD, but MF seems quite plain, so...
Anyway, I didn't even play that much Swain since I bought him. Free Galio was a treat, and I end up as tank a large chunk of my games because noone else wants to do it. Instalock AP ftw!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
August 16 2011 02:25 GMT
#1072
On August 16 2011 11:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 10:44 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 10:32 57 Corvette wrote:
So what I am getting from these posts is playing support instantly gets me to 1400 elo?

Kidding, but Support is the only role I don't have a character to truly play as. I mean, kayle isn't a support any more, and Galio is not very good at supporting compared to his tanking ability.

Its a nice way to climb elo, but isn't as effective as say being a strong ap champ. You don't get major kills from roaming, but you give your teams nice ward control and a lot of sustain when they always want to group up and roam. It basically almost insures your bot lane won't fail with a proper babysit. The rest is just the standard crap shoot. I made my climb as Soraka, she is incredibly easy to play and really quite effective, I would try playing her first if you want to learn the role.


I think my real problem is that none of the characters I play are the best at what they do.
AD carries: Kayle and Ezreal, who are easily outclassed by like Cait and Ashe.
AP carries: Swain and Gragas, There are plenty of better AP carries out there like annie and orannia.
Tanks: Galio, Maokai, Shen, Amumu (he is good but always banned), All outclassed by singed/cho/alistar/whatever
Junglers: Xin Zhao, There are better junglers
Support: None...


That's why you use normals to learn OP imbalanced stuff. I've practiced characters I don't even like like jungle GP and Yorick just because they were OP for like a month.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 02:37:25
August 16 2011 02:35 GMT
#1073
On August 16 2011 11:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 10:44 Irave wrote:
On August 16 2011 10:32 57 Corvette wrote:
So what I am getting from these posts is playing support instantly gets me to 1400 elo?

Kidding, but Support is the only role I don't have a character to truly play as. I mean, kayle isn't a support any more, and Galio is not very good at supporting compared to his tanking ability.

Its a nice way to climb elo, but isn't as effective as say being a strong ap champ. You don't get major kills from roaming, but you give your teams nice ward control and a lot of sustain when they always want to group up and roam. It basically almost insures your bot lane won't fail with a proper babysit. The rest is just the standard crap shoot. I made my climb as Soraka, she is incredibly easy to play and really quite effective, I would try playing her first if you want to learn the role.


I think my real problem is that none of the characters I play are the best at what they do.
AD carries: Kayle and Ezreal, who are easily outclassed by like Cait and Ashe.
AP carries: Swain and Gragas, There are plenty of better AP carries out there like annie and orannia.
Tanks: Galio, Maokai, Shen, Amumu (he is good but always banned), All outclassed by singed/cho/alistar/whatever
Junglers: Xin Zhao, There are better junglers
Support: None...

thinking u can't get high elo with the champion you enjoy playing is a bigger handi-cap than playing actual UP champions
shaoster got plat with post-nerf ezreal
kramer and a077 are 2100's with mainly gragas
ruru got plat with galio
chu got plat with mao
dun1007 got 2300 by only playing jungle xin

nobody plays this games perfectly
being more apt at the champion u enjoy playing will almost always give u better results than playing a champion u dont like or u dont have experience with cuz people tell u they're "OP"
i wish riot would give me better ping
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
August 16 2011 02:35 GMT
#1074
Soraka, Taric, Janna all amazing supports and all 1350 IP or less. Now that you can own three of (if not the three) best supports in the game for the same price as Mordekaiser, there's no reason to not be able to play one of them.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
August 16 2011 03:36 GMT
#1075
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1102898

It's funny because you said Soraka is an amazing support.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
August 16 2011 03:42 GMT
#1076
I don't understand how nerfing the base AND ap ratio on Wish and doubling the cooldown of Astral Blessing while dropping the ratio by half "maintains the saving power of the heal" ...

Whatever, if they nerf Sona + Taric + Soraka heals, it just means I can start playing Janna more again.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 03:48:39
August 16 2011 03:46 GMT
#1077
ok time to learn janna

edit: if they're going to make Sona AND Soraka heals worthless... how many supports are there left in the game? Zil, Janna, Taric, Karma, maybe blitz, is there even anyone else?
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Fishcakes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States149 Posts
August 16 2011 03:46 GMT
#1078
Umm looks like soraka buffs too me. Trade AP ratios on a babysit support for 125 armor (80+45) for 5 seconds. Take that any day.
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
August 16 2011 03:47 GMT
#1079
Lol Soraka is going to be the worst support now, by far.

It sucks because they are quite balanced ATM.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 16 2011 03:49 GMT
#1080
On August 16 2011 12:46 infinitestory wrote:
ok time to learn janna

edit: if they're going to make Sona AND Soraka heals worthless... how many supports are there left in the game? Zil, Janna, Taric, Karma, maybe blitz, is there even anyone else?

Zil and Karma are AP carries.

So basically just Janna and Taric.
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