• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:06
CEST 20:06
KST 03:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou21Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four3BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET7Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)81
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou The New Patch Killed Mech! Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Season 3 Qualifier Links and Dates $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st) SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
Is there anyway to get a private coach? BW General Discussion OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's Awful Building Placements vs barracks
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 ASL final tickets help [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B
Strategy
TvP Upgrades [I] Funny Protoss Builds/Strategies [I] TvP Marine Usage Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1419 users

[WuKong Patch] General Discussion - Page 7

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 81 Next
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 26 2011 21:53 GMT
#121
Ya. 1v1 he still beats anyone, but he already did that. It is easier to get to 100% crit, provided you get to build up fury before fighting. But he looks like he is even harder to farm than before. Like even worse early game. And he is still fucked if you have taric.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 22:24:17
July 26 2011 22:22 GMT
#122
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

I just dont get it. Most top players, or anyone with a brain can play a character once and tell if he is any good. Maybe you miss an item build, but you can generally tell if the kit has any sort of cohesion. Does riot just never play these remakes out?

I disagree, why everyone thought that urgot was crap, same with irelia after they removed locket and actually many more champs - sure they may have been buffed/changed in the meantime but still weren't picked right after they got buffed (for irelia it took Atlanta like a month? of playing before she became close at all to FOTM).

What's Monkey's cost?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 22:24:37
July 26 2011 22:23 GMT
#123
On July 27 2011 06:53 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya. 1v1 he still beats anyone, but he already did that. It is easier to get to 100% crit, provided you get to build up fury before fighting. But he looks like he is even harder to farm than before. Like even worse early game. And he is still fucked if you have taric.

I think I'll start rushing spirit visage and cdr boots, and use cdr runepage with 11-0-19 for 40% cdr for his Q heal

Monkey is 6300
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 22:40:47
July 26 2011 22:39 GMT
#124
On July 27 2011 07:22 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

I just dont get it. Most top players, or anyone with a brain can play a character once and tell if he is any good. Maybe you miss an item build, but you can generally tell if the kit has any sort of cohesion. Does riot just never play these remakes out?

I disagree, why everyone thought that urgot was crap, same with irelia after they removed locket and actually many more champs - sure they may have been buffed/changed in the meantime but still weren't picked right after they got buffed (for irelia it took Atlanta like a month? of playing before she became close at all to FOTM).

What's Monkey's cost?


6300
oh Riot...

From what I've seen from streams, he's a bit lackluster (read: not surprise, I'm OP).
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 26 2011 22:41 GMT
#125
Also got to take into account you have people like Phreak playing the remade champs, and he's the one who does a MBR rush on kayle, lol.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 22:47:08
July 26 2011 22:45 GMT
#126
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
I just dont get it. Most top players, or anyone with a brain can play a character once and tell if he is any good. Maybe you miss an item build, but you can generally tell if the kit has any sort of cohesion. Does riot just never play these remakes out?

How long did it take for people to realize Rumble was OP? It was so plain obvious too.
Funfire Garen?
Eve? Eve after the first big nerf?
Lanewick?
Lee Sin is just slowly emerging now...
And how many people have realized that Kog is really strong now?

The VAST majority of people can NOT tell how good a champ is just by playing him once. And if someone can tell for ONE champ, he most likely won't be able to do the same for the next champ.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 22:48:14
July 26 2011 22:46 GMT
#127
Okay so just played a game with Monkey.

More specifics.

Passive: Adds armor and mres per enemy champ around. It scales starting from 4 per enemy at lvl 1, all the way to 8 per enemy at lvl 18.

Q: no ratio, just a flat +x on attack. At max it adds like 150 damage or something. It hurts.
W: has like .6-.7 AP ratio
E: has I think .8-.9 bonus AD ratio, gives increased attack speed for 3 seconds after cast. probably primary skill for jungling
R: Scales 1:1 off of all your AD. Pretty nice.

First thoughts, Monkey is a slow-ass jungler from what I've done. I ran armor seals/quints and scaling mres blues and apen reds. I started wraiths -> wolves -> minigolems recall. Then wraiths -> wolves -> blue. Was low here so I had to recall :\

His passive gives a very decent amount of survivability so it's probably best to build MK AD heavy. His scaling is pretty bad though, other than his ult. His CDs are so-so. 5 second at max lvl Q, 10-ish seconds (dont remember) on max level W, 8 seconds on max lvl E, ulti has like 100-ish second CD.
LancerStarcraft
Profile Joined July 2010
United States235 Posts
July 26 2011 22:51 GMT
#128
Monkey King's Q can be used on turrets. It's lulzy hitting a turret for like 250 damage at level 9.
"Buy a ward. Stop a gank. Save a life."
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
July 26 2011 22:51 GMT
#129
On July 27 2011 06:50 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 06:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 06:42 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

to be fair, he's building pure aspd...

He gets crit by having fury. And he builds fury very slowly without aspeed. And the only REAL way to get crit is to crit, which you need crit chance for, which you get buy building pd. Which has aspeed. Plus there is a jax, so he needs the no dodge blade.

Makes sense, but rushing PD was never a good idea on any champ.

I think laning tryn with a gunblade rush or something would probably be stronger and more efficient. Takes advantage of the 1:1 AP and AD ratios on E, along with the crazy sustain from his Q.

AAAaaaand he just beat a Jax 1v1 rofl

Monkey is out!


Lol, this is the VERY first thing i started doing. The second i realize how Q works. A couple notes.

With gun blade at about lvl 7:

You have infinite sustain in lane. Autoattacking lifesteals like crazy and you don't need any rage in order to trigger Q. With Q, you automatically get 180 hp every 8 seconds without rage.

The AP adds 75 dmg to your E. This is exactly (or very close) to enough in order to one shot shooty creeps wiht your E if you are injured. Killing three creeps instantly gives you 30 rage. Eventually, E does enough dmg where you can clear out an entire wave in one spin. This means 60 rage at once.

Keeping that in mind, you don't actually need attack speed in order to build rage, just creeps. As for fights, a youmuus can correct the lack of attack speed.

For hunting down targets, do a spin into the person, drop your hextech and mocking shout and then when they're trying to run (or fight lol) use your youmuus. The hextech gives you about 150 total dmg and the youmuus will put you at 210. each crit will be doing about 500 dmg if you are hurt.

This may not sound impressive, but keep in mind that i've gotten to this point at about 17-20 minutes, meaning that theres still bound to be squishies out there that have little to no tankiness.
JF dodger since 2009
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 26 2011 23:08 GMT
#130
Old trynd with just a ghostblade could hit for nearly 500.....
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 26 2011 23:20 GMT
#131
monkey is a hybrid between irelia and a poor man's shaco i guess

you can easily get to and destroy their ad carry, as well as split push mediocrely but if you get to a tower you kill it pretty fast

atmogs or sunfire + full damage seem to be the only options. atmogs if you plan on teamfighting, sunfire + full damage if your team is shit and just want to split push
Brees on in
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
July 26 2011 23:23 GMT
#132
On July 27 2011 08:20 Brees wrote:
monkey is a hybrid between irelia and a poor man's shaco i guess

you can easily get to and destroy their ad carry, as well as split push mediocrely but if you get to a tower you kill it pretty fast

atmogs or sunfire + full damage seem to be the only options. atmogs if you plan on teamfighting, sunfire + full damage if your team is shit and just want to split push


His clone deals aoe dmg to creeps.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 26 2011 23:32 GMT
#133
He's a really good farmer with a fast animation and aoe skills to clear waves. But he has no CC except for his ult. I'm guessing go Q>E>W in lane and use Q to harass?
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#134
if we're going to have a new general discussion thread with every patch, do we need our general patch discussion thread?
it's my first day
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
July 26 2011 23:42 GMT
#135
On July 27 2011 07:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Okay so just played a game with Monkey.

More specifics.

Passive: Adds armor and mres per enemy champ around. It scales starting from 4 per enemy at lvl 1, all the way to 8 per enemy at lvl 18.

Q: no ratio, just a flat +x on attack. At max it adds like 150 damage or something. It hurts.
W: has like .6-.7 AP ratio
E: has I think .8-.9 bonus AD ratio, gives increased attack speed for 3 seconds after cast. probably primary skill for jungling
R: Scales 1:1 off of all your AD. Pretty nice.

First thoughts, Monkey is a slow-ass jungler from what I've done. I ran armor seals/quints and scaling mres blues and apen reds. I started wraiths -> wolves -> minigolems recall. Then wraiths -> wolves -> blue. Was low here so I had to recall :\

His passive gives a very decent amount of survivability so it's probably best to build MK AD heavy. His scaling is pretty bad though, other than his ult. His CDs are so-so. 5 second at max lvl Q, 10-ish seconds (dont remember) on max level W, 8 seconds on max lvl E, ulti has like 100-ish second CD.


That sounds horrible, lol. At least Garen has courage. MK just sounds like he's going to get cc'd and exploded as soon as he tries to spin.

I was expecting alot more from the passive.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
July 26 2011 23:47 GMT
#136
the streams I've seen, wukong fails earlygame, and it carries on into the mid and lategame, unfortunately.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 23:50:35
July 26 2011 23:48 GMT
#137
On July 27 2011 08:42 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 07:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Okay so just played a game with Monkey.

More specifics.

Passive: Adds armor and mres per enemy champ around. It scales starting from 4 per enemy at lvl 1, all the way to 8 per enemy at lvl 18.

Q: no ratio, just a flat +x on attack. At max it adds like 150 damage or something. It hurts.
W: has like .6-.7 AP ratio
E: has I think .8-.9 bonus AD ratio, gives increased attack speed for 3 seconds after cast. probably primary skill for jungling
R: Scales 1:1 off of all your AD. Pretty nice.

First thoughts, Monkey is a slow-ass jungler from what I've done. I ran armor seals/quints and scaling mres blues and apen reds. I started wraiths -> wolves -> minigolems recall. Then wraiths -> wolves -> blue. Was low here so I had to recall :\

His passive gives a very decent amount of survivability so it's probably best to build MK AD heavy. His scaling is pretty bad though, other than his ult. His CDs are so-so. 5 second at max lvl Q, 10-ish seconds (dont remember) on max level W, 8 seconds on max lvl E, ulti has like 100-ish second CD.


That sounds horrible, lol. At least Garen has courage. MK just sounds like he's going to get cc'd and exploded as soon as he tries to spin.

I was expecting alot more from the passive.

Well I've been running defensive runes so at lvl 18 with the passive and stuff I get 100-140 armor and magic resist with no defensive items other than maybe merc treads assuming full stacks on my passive.

I've been having decent success building AD heavy on him. Starting with boots+3pot, then BT/BC and Ghostblade. Haven't really had a game go longer than that lol.

I think his bad scaling is by design. His passive is quite strong in teamfights. 40 free armor and magic resist is nothing to laugh at. Spec defensive masteries and armor seals/quints with scaling mres blues and you're pretty darn tanky without any tank items. With better scaling, he'd be pretty OP as he gets free survivability.

The biggest problem I see with MK is that there's simply nowhere to put him in a teamcomp. His jungling is sub-par with regards to speed, at least in my limited experience. He can't really go solo mid without getting zoned by the heavy AP bursters that tend to go mid. Top lane he'd be okay, but I'd imagine he'd play a lot like Jax. Either very cheesy with nonstop harass and hope for the best, or just play passive and try for last hits. Bot lane he'll likely get worked over by a good support+carry lane, although if you pair him with Taric, you might be able to get enough burst to win the lane. His sub-par laning basically means he's gimped from the start against any good opponents.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 27 2011 00:01 GMT
#138
You cant put him anywhere either. He cant solo top cuz he has no sustain, cant put him mid cuz casters blow him up, bot is lol. He has the pantheon problem.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 27 2011 00:04 GMT
#139
I don't know if anyone else noticed but tryn has a new skin that's basically nightmare from soulcal
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 00:06:47
July 27 2011 00:05 GMT
#140
Watching the saintvicious stream and he actually started out good. I think he was 6-1-? at some point. Now he's 8-7-10. So even with a fed start he doesn't impress me. A shame, you'd think the motherfuckin' MONKEYKING would have an IMBA start.
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 81 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
16:00
PSC2L October 2025
CranKy Ducklings194
iHatsuTV 16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 187
ProTech106
JuggernautJason45
MindelVK 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29626
Bisu 5211
Larva 358
Dewaltoss 86
zelot 43
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
Gorgc7430
qojqva3255
Dendi1011
capcasts0
League of Legends
Trikslyr47
Counter-Strike
fl0m899
pashabiceps525
byalli366
Stewie2K309
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu245
Other Games
singsing1703
Grubby1433
B2W.Neo1034
ceh9548
Beastyqt487
KnowMe192
mouzStarbuck141
White-Ra11
fpsfer 2
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL232
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 92
• Hinosc 5
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 19
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1787
• Noizen33
Other Games
• imaqtpie831
• Shiphtur172
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
7h 54m
RSL Revival
15h 54m
WardiTV Invitational
16h 54m
OSC
20h 54m
SKillous vs goblin
Spirit vs GgMaChine
ByuN vs MaxPax
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 17h
CrankTV Team League
1d 18h
BASILISK vs Streamerzone
Team Liquid vs Shopify Rebellion
Team Vitality vs Team Falcon
RSL Revival
1d 22h
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.