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Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 27 2011 02:49 GMT
#161
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.
derp
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
July 27 2011 02:50 GMT
#162
On July 27 2011 10:48 Brees wrote:
patch didnt fix this problem im having with the game where I dont disconnect from the internet but my game will randomly freeze but I can move around and cant see any chat or whats going on...only people moving. anyone have any ideas


I have this issue too, I can't move though, I can look around, but my champion freezes in place, then game will come back randomly at some later point in time.

Idk what causes it
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 27 2011 02:52 GMT
#163
On July 27 2011 11:45 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
While I can imagine how ghey if Vlad's Q proc'ed Rylai's slow, his should otherwise it's an unfair exclusion. Best argument is that if Akali's Q can slow, so should Vlad's. Neither Q is mana based and both have relatively short cooldowns (compared to Annie/Veigar from example above).


An argument I can think against this is:

1. Rylais is super keen on Vlad because it allows him to double dip his passive
2. Akali's is energy based while vlad's is... stupid-and-free based (vlad can CDR while akali can't)
3. Akali's Q only does half the damage which leads me to the next point
4. Akali is melee (and is at much higher risk to proc full damage Q)
5. Vlad's Q heals him (well, for a ton more than akali's)

edit: Oh, and vlad pools>akali shroud

Conclusion: Vlad's a jerk and deserves this for tormenting me those 3 months he was OP.


Agreed that Vlad is a jerk but having a champion's skill not work "properly" with an item out of exception seems a bit arbitrary. Not sure how much I like that kind of balancing. Seems like a design flaw otherwise.

Also, Kennen also procs slow with his Q too. His is longer range than Akali's and shorter CD iirc.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
July 27 2011 02:52 GMT
#164
Cassiopeia E also gets the AoE slow from Rylai, unless that got changed since I last saw this brought up.

So Vlad Q isn't completely unique....
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 27 2011 02:54 GMT
#165
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 27 2011 02:55 GMT
#166
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.
derp
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 03:10:22
July 27 2011 03:00 GMT
#167
Better keep ELO Welfare a secret then... =/

Edit: And can the heal part of Vlad's Q consider him a "target" and thus making Q a "multi-target" spell for Rylai's? That's the only explanation I can come up with.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 03:12:21
July 27 2011 03:11 GMT
#168
On July 27 2011 11:55 Jaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.


That is a pretty ridiculous move by Riot.

On July 27 2011 12:00 hasuprotoss wrote:
Better keep ELO Welfare a secret then... =/

Edit: And can the heal part of Vlad's Q consider him a "target" and thus making Q a "multi-target" spell for Rylai's? That's the only explanation I can come up with.


What? AOE spells still proc Rylai's, just the slow duration is much shorter. Vlad's E works with Rylai's, Q doesn't.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
July 27 2011 03:14 GMT
#169
On July 27 2011 12:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
What? AOE spells still proc Rylai's, just the slow duration is much shorter. Vlad's E works with Rylai's, Q doesn't.

Unless it's been changed, Vlad gets the AoE slow from Rylai's on his Q, even though it's a single-target spell. It's not like he gets nothing....
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BlackHat
Profile Joined April 2010
United States264 Posts
July 27 2011 03:20 GMT
#170
On July 27 2011 12:14 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 12:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
What? AOE spells still proc Rylai's, just the slow duration is much shorter. Vlad's E works with Rylai's, Q doesn't.

Unless it's been changed, Vlad gets the AoE slow from Rylai's on his Q, even though it's a single-target spell. It's not like he gets nothing....


He does, but it was due to low cooldown. Cass' Twin Fang only procs the aoe slow also due to having essentially no cooldown on a poisoned target. It was an exception that I think they overlooked reverting when they nerfed his cooldown.
Borsalino for life.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
July 27 2011 03:23 GMT
#171
On July 27 2011 12:20 BlackHat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 12:14 crate wrote:
On July 27 2011 12:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
What? AOE spells still proc Rylai's, just the slow duration is much shorter. Vlad's E works with Rylai's, Q doesn't.

Unless it's been changed, Vlad gets the AoE slow from Rylai's on his Q, even though it's a single-target spell. It's not like he gets nothing....


He does, but it was due to low cooldown. Cass' Twin Fang only procs the aoe slow also due to having essentially no cooldown on a poisoned target. It was an exception that I think they overlooked reverting when they nerfed his cooldown.

IIRC Karthus gets the non-AoE slow on his Q at all times (lol); Riot decided to special-case Vlad and Cass because they wanted to, I don't think you can really argue that their reasoning makes any sense based on the way Rylai's works with other spells with similar or shorter cooldowns.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 03:56:17
July 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#172
I'd complain about how stupid the Rylais thing is but then I remembered that there's a few heroes in DotA that aren't even allowed to use blink dagger. That's more extreme, yet perfectly accepted.

You gotta do what you gotta do, in the name of balance.
it's my first day
BlackHat
Profile Joined April 2010
United States264 Posts
July 27 2011 03:55 GMT
#173
On July 27 2011 12:48 myopia wrote:
I'd complain about how stupid the Rylais thing is but then I remembered that there's a few champs in DotA that aren't even allowed to use blink dagger. That's more extreme, yet perfectly accepted.

You gotta do what you gotta do, in the name of balance.


Which they did, but that was before the nerf. Now their reasoning no longer holds up so they should fix it.
Borsalino for life.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 27 2011 04:27 GMT
#174
On July 27 2011 11:55 Jaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.

How dumb is that.... We all know that it's in their EULA not to have more than one account but everyone and their mom has a smurf. Why not ban HS and jiji too then, or call them out instead of saying on stream "we tend to close an eye on that".
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 27 2011 04:30 GMT
#175
YESSSSSSSSSSSS I got in wooooooooot
derp
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 27 2011 04:31 GMT
#176
On July 27 2011 13:27 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 11:55 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.

How dumb is that.... We all know that it's in their EULA not to have more than one account but everyone and their mom has a smurf. Why not ban HS and jiji too then, or call them out instead of saying on stream "we tend to close an eye on that".


I'm pretty sure it wasnt his smurf, it was other people's accounts.
I can understand why Riot would do that, that's a dumb thing for reginald to do and i support riot in their decision here.

If they let him do that, what's to stop people from buying ELO from other better players or even accounts? we all know that sales of digital accounts are always frowned upon by the game makers.
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Asdkmoga
Profile Joined May 2010
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 04:37:22
July 27 2011 04:37 GMT
#177
On July 27 2011 13:31 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 13:27 r33k wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:55 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.

How dumb is that.... We all know that it's in their EULA not to have more than one account but everyone and their mom has a smurf. Why not ban HS and jiji too then, or call them out instead of saying on stream "we tend to close an eye on that".


I'm pretty sure it wasnt his smurf, it was other people's accounts.
I can understand why Riot would do that, that's a dumb thing for reginald to do and i support riot in their decision here.

If they let him do that, what's to stop people from buying ELO from other better players or even accounts? we all know that sales of digital accounts are always frowned upon by the game makers.

didn't hotshot get that other account to #2 elo when his current account (actual hotshotgg) was #1? how's that different?
wish i could remember that name of the other account, but he was playing it for him while he was on vacation or something
edit: kakasoul?
"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action and over 600 is clearly the work of an ancient Sumerian demon or some shit."
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 27 2011 04:40 GMT
#178
On July 27 2011 13:37 Asdkmoga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 13:31 Phrost wrote:
On July 27 2011 13:27 r33k wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:55 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.

How dumb is that.... We all know that it's in their EULA not to have more than one account but everyone and their mom has a smurf. Why not ban HS and jiji too then, or call them out instead of saying on stream "we tend to close an eye on that".


I'm pretty sure it wasnt his smurf, it was other people's accounts.
I can understand why Riot would do that, that's a dumb thing for reginald to do and i support riot in their decision here.

If they let him do that, what's to stop people from buying ELO from other better players or even accounts? we all know that sales of digital accounts are always frowned upon by the game makers.

didn't hotshot get that other account to #2 elo when his current account (actual hotshotgg) was #1? how's that different?
wish i could remember that name of the other account, but he was playing it for him while he was on vacation or something
edit: kakasoul?


yeah, now it's King of Kimchi
I don't think having a second account is breaking the ToS..
derp
Asdkmoga
Profile Joined May 2010
United States496 Posts
July 27 2011 04:45 GMT
#179
On July 27 2011 13:40 Jaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 13:37 Asdkmoga wrote:
On July 27 2011 13:31 Phrost wrote:
On July 27 2011 13:27 r33k wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:55 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:49 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:48 LaNague wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:43 Jaso wrote:
On July 27 2011 11:36 LaNague wrote:
cause everyone hates vlad and will never forgive him for his laning before the nerfs.
He has to suffor now.


I like how Riot employees that watch a stream just randomly decide to ban the streamers account if they dont like what they see.


Apparently it was only for 3 days, so I think it's more reasonable now that I know all the details.



its still a bit of a douche move to not just ay something when he announced it.


I still agree; the Reds must've seen or head about TSM's events and should have warned him. At the very least I think they could've just told him to stop doing what he was on stream before banning him.

Oh well, what's done is done. It's a good thing he wasn't permabanned.. that would truly suck.

What happened?


As part of TSM's "giving back to the community" events, Reginald was going to help some low-elo accounts get their elo up and in that process explain via livestream tactics and how to get through that ELO.

Apparently he didn't use his own accounts, so Riot banned him without notice. And they banned the account he was helping, too I believe.

How dumb is that.... We all know that it's in their EULA not to have more than one account but everyone and their mom has a smurf. Why not ban HS and jiji too then, or call them out instead of saying on stream "we tend to close an eye on that".


I'm pretty sure it wasnt his smurf, it was other people's accounts.
I can understand why Riot would do that, that's a dumb thing for reginald to do and i support riot in their decision here.

If they let him do that, what's to stop people from buying ELO from other better players or even accounts? we all know that sales of digital accounts are always frowned upon by the game makers.

didn't hotshot get that other account to #2 elo when his current account (actual hotshotgg) was #1? how's that different?
wish i could remember that name of the other account, but he was playing it for him while he was on vacation or something
edit: kakasoul?


yeah, now it's King of Kimchi
I don't think having a second account is breaking the ToS..

i dont think having a second account is either, but it wasn't his account, he said he was playing it for someone else while he was on vacation, which is same thing imoimo
"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action and over 600 is clearly the work of an ancient Sumerian demon or some shit."
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
July 27 2011 04:45 GMT
#180
Having a second account is fine, but I think account sharing is against the ToS.
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