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Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 26 2011 19:54 GMT
#101
Sigh, patches epic fail..

Can't get in game even after like 3 re-installs >_>
derp
drewcifer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States192 Posts
July 26 2011 19:57 GMT
#102
On July 27 2011 04:00 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 03:24 drewcifer wrote:
Well considering how op he looks and the fact that my summoner name has the word monkey in it I need this champ. In the champion spotlight I noticed his passive is incredibly strong. Either you itemize for damage and get all this free tank items in team fights or I imagine a tank build would make this passive even more op. Phreak had over 100 mr with only merc treads on with only 3 champions near him @_@. passive will be nerfed I think


You do realize that makes him much less powerful in 1v1 fights which is why tanky dps is pretty annoying



no I don't know how a buff to mr and armor make him less powerful in 1v1 fights. it's still a persistent armor/mr buff vs 1 dude and I'm fairly certain that his decoy ability will let him escape 1v1 fights that he doesn't want to take. Champions like wukong suffer in team fights and are generally better 1v1 anyway so the passive is just really amazing..free items yes plz.


I wonder if wukongs ulti will proc red buff is that possible?

and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:04:02
July 26 2011 20:03 GMT
#103
On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
I wonder if wukongs ulti will proc red buff is that possible?

I didn't hear anything about it applying on-hit affects, so I doubt it.

Wukong isn't enabled yet, but the cost is guaranteed to either be 4800 or 6300.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 26 2011 20:07 GMT
#104
On July 27 2011 04:52 Craton wrote:
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On July 27 2011 00:24 Tooplark wrote:
When we're at our busiest, over 500,000 people in North America and Europe are in game at the same time. On average, more than 10 games of League of Legends start every second of every day."

And I still run into the same tools I have on my ignore list every few days in solo Q (normals + ranked).


okay i'm sure your statement was tongue in cheek so i'm going to tread very lightly here but
what is your elo?
okay just looked it up it's 1600

at 1600 elo there are only ~6000 players better than you
and probably only ~4000 in the elo range you play at

so it's highly likely with 10 players per game that you run into the same players playing at the same times of day several times.

but you knew that right?

500,000 refers to all rankings and all normals at peak times. your games don't pull from a pool of 500k but rather a pool of ~4-5000 players
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:22:47
July 26 2011 20:22 GMT
#105
On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.

There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.
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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:24:38
July 26 2011 20:23 GMT
#106
On July 27 2011 04:11 arnath wrote:
What do you mean "code wukong like phantom lancer"?


Sorry was as a comment on wukong's mechanic.

Phantom lancer in dota has a windwalk which spawns an image (controllable) which moves in the direction you were moving. A seamless transition between invisibility and the appearance of the image.

In the early versions whoever was working on the triggers for phantom lancer had a hard time making the skill work perfectly.

EDIT: lolz my reply was late

The only command given to PL's illusion was a short move command
FADC
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#107
On July 27 2011 05:22 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.

There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.

The way the PL clone worked tho was it would "remember" the last command given to PL before the clone. So basically if you were at mid tower and right-clicked next to the second tower then used decoy, your clone would continue to move towards the second tower rather than stopping at the place of cast similar to how Wukong's clone works.

This was neat in that it helped juking a LOT better than Phreak's stupid "stop-juke" in that you could easily send your clone one direction and walk the opposite way, even without manually controlling the clone.
drewcifer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States192 Posts
July 26 2011 20:35 GMT
#108
On July 27 2011 05:22 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.

There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.


... all I was doing was trying to clear up that guy's confusion and didn't get into any details on purpose. I didn't even say anything wrong...the ai for the dopplewalk in dota is different than the ai for decoy in lol. I never said phantom dancer had special ai, even though it kind of did.

Ryuu pointed out that there were cool little tricks you could do with phantom dancer unique to only him. I liked it better than wukong as well because you could use it while running and the clone would run in the exact direction you were when you used it so it looked like same phantom. I'm pretty sure there was some subtle way of knowing that he used it within the second he does but i cant remember.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 26 2011 20:38 GMT
#109
if u targetted pl previously you lose targetting
if you were attempting to cast a targetted spell you would lose targetting

ez stuff
cool beans
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
July 26 2011 20:41 GMT
#110
Phreak's stop juking just sounds like a pretty bad idea.

#1 thing to do while trying to escape is to stop and do nothing, obviously.
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 26 2011 20:58 GMT
#111
On July 27 2011 05:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
Phreak's stop juking just sounds like a pretty bad idea.

#1 thing to do while trying to escape is to stop and do nothing, obviously.


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FADC
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 26 2011 21:01 GMT
#112
haha, haven't seen that one in awhile.

it's still funny.
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StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 21:23:34
July 26 2011 21:22 GMT
#113
On July 27 2011 05:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
Phreak's stop juking just sounds like a pretty bad idea.

#1 thing to do while trying to escape is to stop and do nothing, obviously.

completely depends on the situation, there are times it would be asinine, other times (if theyre already caught up to you and have a permaslow lololGP) that the stop juke may be useful

Edit: though of course you cant take any buffs on him or else your clone is worthlessly obvious that it isnt real
You can't milk those!
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
July 26 2011 21:27 GMT
#114
On July 27 2011 05:22 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.

There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.


He might mean the AI where the clone will continue the action set by the player. If you say, move here, and then hit the clone mid way, the clone will go to that location, as will you.
JF dodger since 2009
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 21:43:34
July 26 2011 21:39 GMT
#115
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

I just dont get it. Most top players, or anyone with a brain can play a character once and tell if he is any good. Maybe you miss an item build, but you can generally tell if the kit has any sort of cohesion. Does riot just never play these remakes out?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 26 2011 21:42 GMT
#116
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

to be fair, he's building pure aspd...
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 26 2011 21:45 GMT
#117
On July 27 2011 06:42 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

to be fair, he's building pure aspd...

He gets crit by having fury. And he builds fury very slowly without aspeed. And the only REAL way to get crit is to crit, which you need crit chance for, which you get buy building pd. Which has aspeed. Plus there is a jax, so he needs the no dodge blade.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 26 2011 21:46 GMT
#118
And btw smash, your gonna love this.



Pants has a new skin.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 21:55:03
July 26 2011 21:50 GMT
#119
On July 27 2011 06:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 06:42 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

to be fair, he's building pure aspd...

He gets crit by having fury. And he builds fury very slowly without aspeed. And the only REAL way to get crit is to crit, which you need crit chance for, which you get buy building pd. Which has aspeed. Plus there is a jax, so he needs the no dodge blade.

Makes sense, but rushing PD was never a good idea on any champ.

I think laning tryn with a gunblade rush or something would probably be stronger and more efficient. Takes advantage of the 1:1 AP and AD ratios on E, along with the crazy sustain from his Q.

AAAaaaand he just beat a Jax 1v1 rofl

Monkey is out!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 21:52:55
July 26 2011 21:51 GMT
#120
On July 27 2011 06:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 06:42 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

to be fair, he's building pure aspd...

He gets crit by having fury. And he builds fury very slowly without aspeed. And the only REAL way to get crit is to crit, which you need crit chance for, which you get buy building pd. Which has aspeed. Plus there is a jax, so he needs the no dodge blade.

The time when he needs aspd most is in early jungle so he'll rune for it, which is 20-40%. Zerks are probably the most sensible boots either way so that's another 25%, so he's not hurting for aspd with 45%-65% aspd after runes. Because of how fury drains gradually, you'll generally have about 30% natural crit, meaning that the most sensible stats to buy are crit damage and AD (i.e. IE).
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