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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 30 2011 10:17 calgar wrote: What items do you need to do 700 with dazzle? I've been using the NA support build with him but I guess this is Ap taric? Ap quint blue yellow Mpen red Open d-ring x3 Deathcap Your dazzle->shatter combo will do like 900+ at level 11 and your heal will beast too | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
inb4 skarner/taric | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
truly, truly, truly outrageous | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 30 2011 12:10 gtrsrs wrote: ah snap, that sounds disgusting! gotta try that out but i guess it's really farm dependent since deathcap is like 3.5k gold. is ap taric as 'competitive' as the gold/5 builds that are pretty common?Ap quint blue yellow Mpen red Open d-ring x3 Deathcap Your dazzle->shatter combo will do like 900+ at level 11 and your heal will beast too also saint is jungling heimer now and his cs/lvl is the same as yi ~12 minutes in LOL | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 30 2011 13:52 calgar wrote: ah snap, that sounds disgusting! gotta try that out but i guess it's really farm dependent since deathcap is like 3.5k gold. is ap taric as 'competitive' as the gold/5 builds that are pretty common? also saint is jungling heimer now and his cs/lvl is the same as yi ~12 minutes in LOL hazmat is really the one to ask, i'm just a disciple but if you open d-ring, you've got 45 AP at level 1. your level 2 burst is 80 (+23) + 100 (+45) before magic resist, plus 10 armor reduction for your carry to get their AD-based attacks off. if they have less than 6 HP bars and flash, they instadie, especially if you've got cait/vayne/someone with CC. from there you just zone, and get a kill anytime someone comes near the bush. you hit level 7 and you're like 1-0-6 with a tower and a dragon, so deathcap isn't too hard to get from assist gold. conversely, if you DON'T get kills or if your AD carry is a dumbfuck who tower dives or something, you're gonna be REALLY pressed for gold and you'll only have 3 d-rings and boots1 by 20 minutes. but yes, ap is much stronger than gold/5 taric. ap + CDR are the best on him | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 30 2011 14:04 gtrsrs wrote: Ah, interesting. By zone you mean stand in the bushes near their tower in between the creeps and them? Do you last hit at all or will that push the lane? Also, since cdr is best does that mean ionian >> merc treads?hazmat is really the one to ask, i'm just a disciple but if you open d-ring, you've got 45 AP at level 1. your level 2 burst is 80 (+23) + 100 (+45) before magic resist, plus 10 armor reduction for your carry to get their AD-based attacks off. if they have less than 6 HP bars and flash, they instadie, especially if you've got cait/vayne/someone with CC. from there you just zone, and get a kill anytime someone comes near the bush. you hit level 7 and you're like 1-0-6 with a tower and a dragon, so deathcap isn't too hard to get from assist gold. conversely, if you DON'T get kills or if your AD carry is a dumbfuck who tower dives or something, you're gonna be REALLY pressed for gold and you'll only have 3 d-rings and boots1 by 20 minutes. but yes, ap is much stronger than gold/5 taric. ap + CDR are the best on him | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:43 clickrush wrote: does orianna generally win lanes vs kassadin? he is kinda good vs ap mages. Pre6 kassadin gets shit on really fucking hard by a lot of mages as long as they know how to play. AP Taric is kinda like AP sion for those who are interested. | ||
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Craton
United States17287 Posts
On July 30 2011 15:50 JackDino wrote: Pre6 kassadin gets shit on really fucking hard by a lot of mages as long as they know how to play. AP Taric is kinda like AP sion for those who are interested. I think it's dependent on the players. I feel like Kass would be more efficient in the lane, though. Basically, if kass R+Q or R+QE then ori can E and try to QW as he runs back. Ori definitely wins pre-6 pretty hard. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
Demon Blade trynd looks pretty boring for a legendary :/ | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 30 2011 14:38 calgar wrote: Ah, interesting. By zone you mean stand in the bushes near their tower in between the creeps and them? Do you last hit at all or will that push the lane? Also, since cdr is best does that mean ionian >> merc treads? by zone you basically do the following (assume you're blue, bot team, and the enemy is purple, top team) your tower - your creeps + your AD carry - home brush (the one closer to your tower) - their creeps - gap - away brush - their tower you stand in the far end of the away brush and let your carry just last hit. you will eventually get used to it to the point where you are far enough from YOUR creeps so that when they die, the enemy doesn't get experience, but close enough to your AD carry that if you make a move, they can get all their damage skills on the enemy champs it's hard to understand without a proper diagram and without seeing it live, but if you understand your burst ability (extremely high) and your effective zoning range (i.e. if you have +/-15 MS compared to your opponent, they will effectively not be able to react to you popping out of the brush in time meaning they MUST stay out of your stun range at all times even when they can't see you) then you can win the lane just by standing in the brush it's real important when you're zoning, however that you do the following a) urge your carry to only last hit, don't cheat and use skills on creeps. skills push the lane which gives your lane opponents time to get exp. b) when the lane gets close to their tower, push it hard with skills and autos so your creeps get hit by their tower. this makes it so they have a hard time last hitting and the lane "resets" in the middle c) assert your aggressiveness and make sure your partner does the same. if the enemy gets in stun range, punish them | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:27 JackDino wrote: Can poppy's Q crit? And with bonus damage can't exceed x amount, do they mean the % of target's hp damage? It can crit, but only the damage that comes from your AD will be doubled. And yes, the % based damage can't exceed a certain amount. The flat magic damage added is unaffected. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
On July 30 2011 08:43 clickrush wrote: does orianna generally win lanes vs kassadin? he is kinda good vs ap mages. kass is bad in lane doesnt matter who ur vs all this retard talk about kass beating cass or anyother caster INLANE is dumb | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:37 locodoco wrote: kass is bad in lane doesnt matter who ur vs all this retard talk about kass beating cass or anyother caster INLANE is dumb Kass beats really terrible players in lane pre6 huehue like this malz who called me a cheater after I Q'd his ult. He was actually serious about it. It's a shame since he's so much fun to play, could he work bot with a soraka? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:23 spinesheath wrote: Nobody will let you Dazzle them at melee range. That drops your lvl 2 burst by 80 and your maxed Dazzle damage by 300. k if they run they get stunned longer = more damage output from your AD gg also confirming right now that trynd is OP as fuck atm first time playing him in ~10 months, let alone the new one; semi-drunk, laning against irelia with shaco enemy jungle. no ganks from my own jungle, constant ganks from shaco, manage to spam-Q my way to a couple more CS than her and a 25 minute victory despite having no fking clue what i was building (went d-blade -> revolver -> gunblade -> tabi -> atma's -> mallet LOLOLOL) 1600 US, not exactly awful opponents either basically just pick trynd and spin to win folks | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:42 JackDino wrote: Kass beats really terrible players in lane pre6 huehue like this malz who called me a cheater after I Q'd his ult. He was actually serious about it. It's a shame since he's so much fun to play, could he work bot with a soraka? It used to work a year ago (when everyone considered caster+soraka or AD+ any support standard US lane, not "a lane which US meta stole from EU meta") but i think that nowadays best bot lanes are AD carry+support or stun+bust. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
ur lane will be pushed towards ur tower almost always the other guy almost always plays aggressive(if his not playing aggressive than u can farm~) silence + slow means no escape! get ur tear+philo or cata or 3 doran asap and rape lane HUEHUEHUE | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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