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mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
July 29 2011 20:43 GMT
#481
haha i have over 2,000 ranked games xD I have a lot of experience, but I'm not that good. I know he's still good, I've seen some amazing ones. I just can't figure out how to play him.
"Only the Good Die Young"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 29 2011 20:44 GMT
#482
vman7 uses the same method for renek that got jax's level 2 combo nerfed, rune/master for pure offense, open dbade and use your gap closer to shit on your lane with bonkers damage. Goes armpen reds/quints, ad yellows and blues, i think 21/9/0 masteries, w > q > e. Does really well with him
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
July 29 2011 20:45 GMT
#483
On July 30 2011 04:28 arnath wrote:
...

Gangplank still easily ban-worthy. Fiddle suuuuper broken. Orianna still easily ban-worthy. I personally don't consider Udyr ban-worthy because he's pretty easily counterable late game but his lane sustain is still super broken. Jax's burst probably pretty broken but it's too early to say for sure. Taric and Soraka brokenly good supports, etc ...


Without saying what is "broken" or not:

- gp is very strong yes. But I dont see him as a stronger champion than alot of other bruisers.
- fiddle is very blue dependand, he also is more easily shut down by bust and disables than other ap carries because of his suicididal skillset.
- jax has a very weak sustain early game there are alot of lanes he cannot handle very well.
- taric and soraka can both be counterpicked with healing reduction carries bottom such as mf/trist. (well mb taric to a lesser extend.)

I cannot say much about orianna but I'am pretty sure some ppl have figured out ways to deal very well against her during the laneing phase?
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 29 2011 20:49 GMT
#484
i'd ban fiddle every game but there's no other autobans.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 20:55:37
July 29 2011 20:51 GMT
#485
On July 30 2011 05:35 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play renekton but I think he sucks on giant donkey dick these days FWIW.


I had MR runes and a nullmagic start as Cho'gath because our Jarvan demanded mid after I bought! And I barely lost lane against him. He's.. pretty underwhelming.

edit: Taric might actually be a good ban right about now, he can snowball bottom lane if the person he's with isn't retarded and good luck dealing with Taric throwing around 700 damage dazzles because his lane got fed.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 29 2011 21:06 GMT
#486
On July 30 2011 04:29 r33k wrote:
Maybe he just felt weak from my standpoint because I went wits end malady mallet, all items that don't feel strong right away.

WHAT?
Wit's End basically is a BF sword for less than 400 gold. How would it not feel strong right away? It's a ridiculous early/midgame item that doesn't scale too well. It becomes worse as the game goes on (still stays really strong even lategame).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 29 2011 21:09 GMT
#487
I never ever ever ban Udyr. He feels extremely overrated to me. I ban GP and Fiddle every game.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 29 2011 22:12 GMT
#488
On July 30 2011 06:06 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 04:29 r33k wrote:
Maybe he just felt weak from my standpoint because I went wits end malady mallet, all items that don't feel strong right away.

WHAT?
Wit's End basically is a BF sword for less than 400 gold. How would it not feel strong right away? It's a ridiculous early/midgame item that doesn't scale too well. It becomes worse as the game goes on (still stays really strong even lategame).

Got stomped early, went 2 or 3 dblades but what made me feel weak is that I usually can trade like a pro with wits end but it was obv. completely useless vs pirate. Could have gone dodge boots but I never upgrade boots before my first real item unless its going to be zerks/mercs.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
July 29 2011 22:26 GMT
#489
Yeah I've been banning Fiddle and GP first priority, then Orianna, then kinda whatever I feel like that particular game.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 29 2011 23:39 GMT
#490
On July 30 2011 05:35 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play renekton but I think he sucks on giant donkey dick these days FWIW.

That was my impression, but then every now and again I see one on a high Elo stream just raping everything in sight.
twitch.tv/cratonz
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
July 29 2011 23:43 GMT
#491
On July 30 2011 07:26 arnath wrote:
Yeah I've been banning Fiddle and GP first priority, then Orianna, then kinda whatever I feel like that particular game.


does orianna generally win lanes vs kassadin? he is kinda good vs ap mages.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
July 29 2011 23:49 GMT
#492
is silver 1475 or 1500?

and season 1 isnt really ending tonight right? Im not gonna make it up another 40 today, I just cant do it =/
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 23:59:07
July 29 2011 23:56 GMT
#493
On July 30 2011 08:49 red_b wrote:
is silver 1475 or 1500?

and season 1 isnt really ending tonight right? Im not gonna make it up another 40 today, I just cant do it =/

It's like 1495.

and season 1 isnt really ending tonight right? Im not gonna make it up another 40 today, I just cant do it =/

If it was ending tonight, don't you think there'd be a giant notice on the front page of LoL?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 30 2011 00:01 GMT
#494
i like playing fiddle and gp so I usually ban morde/whatever

no one believes me but morde is hella broken right now
Brees on in
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
July 30 2011 00:31 GMT
#495
I play a bit o' Renekton and the key for him in lane is to hit a champion with his Q. It times the heal by 5, which is 50% if its furious (Don't Q if it's not furious).
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 00:36:28
July 30 2011 00:35 GMT
#496
I feel like tristana is kinda OP. While ashe, corki, sivir, vayne, ez, urgot, etc have been getting nerfed she's pretty much just floated under the radar.

Let's see:
her early game is ridiculous with jump, especially bot lane with an aggressive support she can do extremely well.

he late game is ridiculous with her passive range.

She has two ways to get away from tanky dps (same number as vayne exact trists are more drastic)

her ulti repositioning is a pretty nice soft counter to FUCKIN FIDDLESTICKS

she has the most insane steroid in the game

and i guess she has a heal debuff which is nice, especially in bot lane versus a heal heavy support like soraka.

I dunno, she just seems potent, especially with how the game is being played right now and how all her counterparts are being nerfed

HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 30 2011 01:05 GMT
#497
So uhh, when are Koreans getting their own server again?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 30 2011 01:17 GMT
#498
On July 30 2011 05:51 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 05:35 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play renekton but I think he sucks on giant donkey dick these days FWIW.
edit: Taric might actually be a good ban right about now, he can snowball bottom lane if the person he's with isn't retarded and good luck dealing with Taric throwing around 700 damage dazzles because his lane got fed.
What items do you need to do 700 with dazzle? I've been using the NA support build with him but I guess this is Ap taric?
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 01:27:49
July 30 2011 01:25 GMT
#499
I was 1498 without silver (I'm fairly certain) so I think it's like 1500.

edit: apparently i'm wrong
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
July 30 2011 01:35 GMT
#500
On July 30 2011 09:01 Brees wrote:
i like playing fiddle and gp so I usually ban morde/whatever

no one believes me but morde is hella broken right now

i believe you, inept!
:)
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