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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 28 2011 21:06 GMT
#381
Atmogs has resists. Not to mention with the current suckage of mp5 runes, most people are running armor and mr runes anyway.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 21:21:50
July 28 2011 21:21 GMT
#382
On July 29 2011 05:59 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 05:53 Mogwai wrote:
current meta HP > EHP? what?


That seems to be the case with everyone supporting atmogs on everything.

Atmogs still gives armour, mr is useless without HP as is HP without MR.
Much cheaper to get HP @ x point instead of stacking more MR which will do almost nothing at that point.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 21:22:19
July 28 2011 21:21 GMT
#383
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc
Brees on in
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 21:25:27
July 28 2011 21:24 GMT
#384
Jax ultimate gives like a free negatron of resists anyway if you remember to use it and toss another negatron in there and you're really beefy in all 3 EHP departments with an atmogs. Stacking resists runs into void staffs and LW's late game as well.

Like we're broaching on 150/150 resists with jax ulti up which is pretty damn solid for buying a atmas+negatron and ninja tabi only.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 28 2011 21:25 GMT
#385
Vayne? I rape Vayne with MF in SoloQ pretty easily :c
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 28 2011 21:34 GMT
#386
On July 29 2011 06:25 Crucifix wrote:
Vayne? I rape Vayne with MF in SoloQ pretty easily :c

MF is probably the least self-sufficient carry for solo queue given her lack of a free escape (Corki, Trist, Ezreal, Vayne, Cait) or top-notch kiting (Ashe). She'll do fucktons of damage, but she doesn't have the means to deal with anticarries on her own (many of whom like Nocturne and Irelia are extremely popular solo queue champs), and you can't rely on solo queue teammates to protect you properly.
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
July 28 2011 21:41 GMT
#387
MF bot lane with Taric. Her name stands for another meaning.
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
July 28 2011 21:43 GMT
#388
does ezreal's Q range seems a lot longer to anyone else? or did it get buffed awhile ago, and i just haven't played enough recently to notice...
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 28 2011 21:49 GMT
#389
I mean mf is a pretty basic character the skill gap between a good mf and bad mf is pretty much just last hitting and positioning....the difference between a bad and good vayne is astronomical...so much fun stuff you can do with her moves and they all go together with exhaust/flash perfectly. you can do some ridiculous shit.
Brees on in
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 28 2011 21:50 GMT
#390
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
July 28 2011 21:55 GMT
#391
From roughly 200 pages ago in the old GD: OMG, Karl Marx Olaf skin. This is, like, the best idea ever. He should have a hammer and a sickle! Ahum. Excuse me while I stop replying to things from two months ago.
My modesty is awesome.
Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
July 28 2011 21:56 GMT
#392
On July 29 2011 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.


How do you win those solo queue games where you don't have a ranged carry so it's hard to slowly wear down towers, you have baron and they just turtle, and they're too tanky for you to dive them?
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
July 28 2011 21:57 GMT
#393
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
July 28 2011 22:07 GMT
#394
On July 29 2011 06:57 a176 wrote:
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y

Ooh, thanks!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 22:11:18
July 28 2011 22:10 GMT
#395
On July 29 2011 06:56 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.


How do you win those solo queue games where you don't have a ranged carry so it's hard to slowly wear down towers, you have baron and they just turtle, and they're too tanky for you to dive them?

Have you honestly every gotten your solo Q team to NOT dive or get engaged on in a horrible position while you try to wear down a tower?
And as the skill level increases, your teams should be able to split push or dive with Baron + control over both red/blue buffs no matter what.

On July 29 2011 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 06:57 a176 wrote:
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y

Ooh, thanks!

So what exactly was it?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 22:19:51
July 28 2011 22:18 GMT
#396
Streaming http://www.justin.tv/shayuki , I'll be quickly collecting 300 more IP and then will begin experimenting with monkey king =)

Btw, maybe I should make a stream thread like SmashGizmo o.O

I'll be trying at least apen stacking builds on Monkey King, that seems like it might be the way to go. His Q is absolutely insane in that regard(Well, when he's fixed, apparently right now it's way too weak).

On July 29 2011 07:10 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 06:56 Nehsb wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.


How do you win those solo queue games where you don't have a ranged carry so it's hard to slowly wear down towers, you have baron and they just turtle, and they're too tanky for you to dive them?

Have you honestly every gotten your solo Q team to NOT dive or get engaged on in a horrible position while you try to wear down a tower?
And as the skill level increases, your teams should be able to split push or dive with Baron + control over both red/blue buffs no matter what.

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:57 a176 wrote:
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y

Ooh, thanks!

So what exactly was it?

It's like one flat health quint, one crit dmg rune and one more rune that I can't remember, nothing huge
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
50caliber
Profile Joined July 2011
United States32 Posts
July 28 2011 22:22 GMT
#397
On July 29 2011 07:10 spinesheath wrote:
So what exactly was it?


It is a couple of quints, Don't remember which kind they were. I bought an abyssus recently too, just too have a decent mouse for other shenanigans.

What do people think about new trynd so far? I always loved trynd so hoping he gets nudged into viability sometime.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 22:29:58
July 28 2011 22:26 GMT
#398
On July 29 2011 07:18 Shikyo wrote:
Streaming http://www.justin.tv/shayuki , I'll be quickly collecting 300 more IP and then will begin experimenting with monkey king =)

Btw, maybe I should make a stream thread like SmashGizmo o.O

I'll be trying at least apen stacking builds on Monkey King, that seems like it might be the way to go. His Q is absolutely insane in that regard(Well, when he's fixed, apparently right now it's way too weak).

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 07:10 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:56 Nehsb wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.


How do you win those solo queue games where you don't have a ranged carry so it's hard to slowly wear down towers, you have baron and they just turtle, and they're too tanky for you to dive them?

Have you honestly every gotten your solo Q team to NOT dive or get engaged on in a horrible position while you try to wear down a tower?
And as the skill level increases, your teams should be able to split push or dive with Baron + control over both red/blue buffs no matter what.

On July 29 2011 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:57 a176 wrote:
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y

Ooh, thanks!

So what exactly was it?

It's like one flat health quint, one crit dmg rune and one more rune that I can't remember, nothing huge

I really don't know why people think MK's Q is weak. It does 150 bonus damage + armor reduction... E+Q to give 'em -armor then R is pretty strong. Not sure apen stacking will be all that great 'cause his base damages aren't really that good either.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 22:34:08
July 28 2011 22:33 GMT
#399
On July 29 2011 07:10 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 06:56 Nehsb wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.


How do you win those solo queue games where you don't have a ranged carry so it's hard to slowly wear down towers, you have baron and they just turtle, and they're too tanky for you to dive them?

Have you honestly every gotten your solo Q team to NOT dive or get engaged on in a horrible position while you try to wear down a tower?
And as the skill level increases, your teams should be able to split push or dive with Baron + control over both red/blue buffs no matter what.

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:57 a176 wrote:
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y

Ooh, thanks!

So what exactly was it?

Crit Damage Mark and Movespeed Quint with special names.

On July 29 2011 07:22 50caliber wrote:
What do people think about new trynd so far? I always loved trynd so hoping he gets nudged into viability sometime.

From watching Shayuki, it's like Nida with that silly heal and clearing creeps fast thanks to spin but with an ult that helps more in teamfights and less poke. Sort of. All the Trynds I've played against so far still go heavy crit builds for some reason which is much less effective.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 22:45:21
July 28 2011 22:44 GMT
#400
On July 29 2011 07:22 50caliber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 07:10 spinesheath wrote:
So what exactly was it?


It is a couple of quints, Don't remember which kind they were. I bought an abyssus recently too, just too have a decent mouse for other shenanigans.

What do people think about new trynd so far? I always loved trynd so hoping he gets nudged into viability sometime.

I build it with gunblade + triforce + tanky, seems to work great.

On July 29 2011 07:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 07:18 Shikyo wrote:
Streaming http://www.justin.tv/shayuki , I'll be quickly collecting 300 more IP and then will begin experimenting with monkey king =)

Btw, maybe I should make a stream thread like SmashGizmo o.O

I'll be trying at least apen stacking builds on Monkey King, that seems like it might be the way to go. His Q is absolutely insane in that regard(Well, when he's fixed, apparently right now it's way too weak).

On July 29 2011 07:10 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:56 Nehsb wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:21 Brees wrote:
vayne is probably the best ad carry in the game atm, just needs soraka or taric bot and you're set since her early game is trash

for solo q ofc

You don't need a ranged AD anyways. Especially in solo Q. That is, if you can get your team to not flame you to death for not picking a ranged AD.


How do you win those solo queue games where you don't have a ranged carry so it's hard to slowly wear down towers, you have baron and they just turtle, and they're too tanky for you to dive them?

Have you honestly every gotten your solo Q team to NOT dive or get engaged on in a horrible position while you try to wear down a tower?
And as the skill level increases, your teams should be able to split push or dive with Baron + control over both red/blue buffs no matter what.

On July 29 2011 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On July 29 2011 06:57 a176 wrote:
hi, i dont play LoL but I got some kind of rune offer from buying a razer abyssus. first come, first serve!

+ Show Spoiler +
Q J G N 7 Z V J Y

Ooh, thanks!

So what exactly was it?

It's like one flat health quint, one crit dmg rune and one more rune that I can't remember, nothing huge

I really don't know why people think MK's Q is weak. It does 150 bonus damage + armor reduction... E+Q to give 'em -armor then R is pretty strong. Not sure apen stacking will be all that great 'cause his base damages aren't really that good either.

Oh I just heard that the armor reduction is bugged so that it only reduces 30% of the champions base armor instead of all armor, that's what I meant.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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