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Malderon
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands136 Posts
March 01 2011 21:42 GMT
#1041
Is 15% increased healing Spirit Visage still worth it on Mundo, or is a person better off building a different health item? Talking about 3v3 in particular, since I can imagine a person has more time in 5v5 to just get a Warmogs instead.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 01 2011 21:45 GMT
#1042
On March 02 2011 06:42 Malderon wrote:
Is 15% increased healing Spirit Visage still worth it on Mundo, or is a person better off building a different health item? Talking about 3v3 in particular, since I can imagine a person has more time in 5v5 to just get a Warmogs instead.


I'm pretty sure its still the best item on him because hp, cdr, and mr are still really good for the price
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 01 2011 22:17 GMT
#1043
SVisage still seems fine for champs that actually benefit strongly from the heal component (e.g. Mundo, Irelia, Warwick), it's just looking less and less like a reasonable buy for those that don't benefit as strongly (e.g. Cho'gath).
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Khelevaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine34 Posts
March 01 2011 23:40 GMT
#1044
I wonder if we will start seeing Tiamat used more often. Now it's basically a 220 gold more expensive BFSword with splash and some regen.

It looks like an ok item for Sivir and Kayle since they build straight AD and have some sort of splash already.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 01 2011 23:52 GMT
#1045
On March 02 2011 08:40 Khelevaster wrote:
I wonder if we will start seeing Tiamat used more often. Now it's basically a 220 gold more expensive BFSword with splash and some regen.

It looks like an ok item for Sivir and Kayle since they build straight AD and have some sort of splash already.

Doesn't build into anything though...dead end item with minimal splash damage = meh.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 02 2011 00:02 GMT
#1046
The only dead end for tiamats is what do you do after getting 6 of them?
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 02 2011 00:08 GMT
#1047
On March 02 2011 01:32 EnrageD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 18:50 gtrsrs wrote:
jarvan looks fun
maokai looked fun too
maybe jarvan will be better than maokai


so for a champion to be fun they have to be Overpowered or top tier?

Maokai is super fun to play....


yeah that is exactly what i said
maokai is fun he's just useless past 30 minutes
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 02 2011 00:14 GMT
#1048
No he isn't. Maokai's fine if you build him tanky, not AP. You also have to setup your ulti properly or else he has very little damage output.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 02 2011 09:19 GMT
#1049
20% damage reduction is huge. I probably doesn't LOOK like he's very useful because you don't really see him reduce that damage, but seriously, removing 1/5th of the enemy damage while still being able to deal some damage and add some CC? Doesn't sound useless to me.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
March 02 2011 11:18 GMT
#1050
On March 02 2011 18:19 spinesheath wrote:
20% damage reduction is huge. I probably doesn't LOOK like he's very useful because you don't really see him reduce that damage, but seriously, removing 1/5th of the enemy damage while still being able to deal some damage and add some CC? Doesn't sound useless to me.


I think this is overstating it.

Groups move back and forth, once people pop enough skills the generally commit to a teamfight.

If you place the zone before the initial damage wich signals a commitment, people will refuse to walk into the zone.

If you wait till after they commit then the majority of the damage has allready been fired and your ulti will not prevent all that much.


It certainly doesn't stop 1/5th of the damage, that is just too perfect a scenario.

It is the same situation as the Annie ultimate. Annie fans will pretend like you can AoE stun 5 enemy people every single time, but that just isn't true, it's not realistic to suggest that.


The Maokai ultimate will in most cases be placed too early or too late. Some people suggest that you can predict a teamfight but again, that isn't realistic. People will not engage if they see that ulti zone, it's as simple as that. You can only place it after people commit to a fight and that is after the initial damage.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 02 2011 11:33 GMT
#1051
On March 02 2011 09:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
No he isn't. Maokai's fine if you build him tanky, not AP. You also have to setup your ulti properly or else he has very little damage output.

Id build him like I build gragas, AP tank hybrid.

His E has a 1:1 ratio if you hit with impact and the follow up only a 460 base damage at lvl 5 assuming all hits; why wouldnt you capitalize on that? and the rest of his ratios is Annie esque, just a bit worse (but he as 4 offensive spells, instead of 3)

His R will hit for a fuckton in teamfights at lvl 16 (like 600ish) because it gains more damage if it absorbs damage.

I had this game in a premade (which we lost in a dumb fashion which I dont wanna talk about, trying to erase that memory of having that argument.. I hate raging at a TL premade makes me feel sad, love at HWshield though <3) but I was chased by an Ez and I made him facecheck a bush and Instagibbed with like 200 ap (1 sapling mine, 1 thrown, RQW+ ignite = dead)
I think ideal wya to play maokai after 2 games with him
EWQEER then
R>E>W>Q
iirc the stun duration on W is changing with level while Q is static, and W has best ratio but Q puts you into the fight.
E is really
meki 2 pot opening or dorans shield (if ur gonna be harassed or not)
build:
chalice, sorc / mercs / cdr boots (whatever fits best, sorc if u need dmg, cdr for tank or if they stack too much MR, merc selfexplanatory cc reduc), RoA. Then decide if you need damage or survive, for survive get frozen heart / FoN (youre so slow you need that speed from my experience i got caught so many times where i couldnt do shit) or abyssal / deathcap/void
In the woods, there lurks..
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 02 2011 11:39 GMT
#1052
Yeah of course it's not as simple, but the same can be said for every skill.

You can force fights for example at Baron, Dragon, and Towers. You do baron and when the enemy team appears you ult the area in front of Baron. Free Baron or a highly advantageous teamfight? Win-win. Do the same to allow your DPS to take down a tower uncontested.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 02 2011 13:03 GMT
#1053
Maokai is durable in teamfights because his passive will be up 24/7 and he will be in his ulti, in small scale fights he will falls short once he is on CD's he got nothing
In the woods, there lurks..
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
March 02 2011 13:46 GMT
#1054
Jarvan on your own team with flash is officially biggest troll evar.

So captain teemo is on duty, right? As he's wont to do. Goin' all stealth and about to ambush some bitches in a mushroom field of doom. JARVAN IV of jerkville leads two enemies to me. BAM shrooms explode, I open up and start pwnin' ass in the traditional yordle style. Jarvan ults, and flashes out, and runs away. Captain teemo gets hacked to bits trapped with 2 baddies.

RUDE RUDE RUDE
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
March 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#1055
The day they port Tiny I will acknowledge LoL as the best game in history.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 02 2011 15:10 GMT
#1056
On March 02 2011 22:46 Haemonculus wrote:
Jarvan on your own team with flash is officially biggest troll evar.

So captain teemo is on duty, right? As he's wont to do. Goin' all stealth and about to ambush some bitches in a mushroom field of doom. JARVAN IV of jerkville leads two enemies to me. BAM shrooms explode, I open up and start pwnin' ass in the traditional yordle style. Jarvan ults, and flashes out, and runs away. Captain teemo gets hacked to bits trapped with 2 baddies.

RUDE RUDE RUDE



Actually you don't even need flash to do that.

Ult someone, throw the battle standard outside and Q to it. EZPZ escape.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 02 2011 16:32 GMT
#1057
On March 02 2011 23:32 BluzMan wrote:
The day they port Tiny I will acknowledge LoL as the best game in history.


lol throwing in alistar
And all is illuminated.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
March 02 2011 19:47 GMT
#1058
On March 02 2011 23:32 BluzMan wrote:
The day they port Tiny I will acknowledge LoL as the best game in history.

Pantheon obv
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 20:10:57
March 02 2011 20:10 GMT
#1059
So apparently an undocumented change to how slows work:

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=553641
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 20:52:35
March 02 2011 20:52 GMT
#1060
On March 03 2011 01:32 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 23:32 BluzMan wrote:
The day they port Tiny I will acknowledge LoL as the best game in history.


lol throwing in alistar


Need Alistar that can instantly nuke 80% of a squishys HP :/
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