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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 05 2011 16:57 GMT
#16481
Kinda feel sorry for the MF. Multple triple kills ftw

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Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 05 2011 17:36 GMT
#16482
6 months ago, people were telling me you don't need CV on supports. Someone even told me something along the lines of "anything you can do with CV you can do with wards." Now everyone's saying CV is OP.

How does it take 6 months for people to realize how ridiculous global, instantaneous, uncounterable map vision on a 40 sec CD is?
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
June 05 2011 17:47 GMT
#16483
On June 06 2011 02:36 TheYango wrote:
6 months ago, people were telling me you don't need CV on supports. Someone even told me something along the lines of "anything you can do with CV you can do with wards." Now everyone's saying CV is OP.

How does it take 6 months for people to realize how ridiculous global, instantaneous, uncounterable map vision on a 40 sec CD is?



there are still a ton of matches in all elos where there is no cv on one, or both teams... so at least another year or two.

Obviously in arranged 5v5s your going to have a CV on each side, when you have good communication etc.., it's free scans, how is that not awesome.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 05 2011 17:50 GMT
#16484
On June 06 2011 02:47 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 02:36 TheYango wrote:
6 months ago, people were telling me you don't need CV on supports. Someone even told me something along the lines of "anything you can do with CV you can do with wards." Now everyone's saying CV is OP.

How does it take 6 months for people to realize how ridiculous global, instantaneous, uncounterable map vision on a 40 sec CD is?



there are still a ton of matches in all elos where there is no cv on one, or both teams... so at least another year or two.

Obviously in arranged 5v5s your going to have a CV on each side, when you have good communication etc.., it's free scans, how is that not awesome.

Well it's getting nerfed apparently so another year or two? This game has barely been out for that long lol
And if you're a good player you should know how op CV is, and people at lower elos are more concerned with themselves than the team - at higher elo you see more people willing to give up one of their slots so the team has a CV, and even then they are usually more concerned with themselves than the team which is why you don't always see it.
:)
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 05 2011 17:55 GMT
#16485
The game is new so many good strategies and matchups haven't even been entirely optimized yet. Remember mutas in SC before muta stacking where you heard people call them "UP"? Or 1 base play all day every day? :D
I think all games with so many factors involved need a lot of time for strategies and uses of many different variables to actually be discovered and develop. Especially if it's constantly changing every 2 weeks in a patch.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
June 05 2011 18:50 GMT
#16486
But the issue is the core of the game. in SC, there was actual strategy involved. there were tangible objectives that had varying degrees of risk/reward. Even on 1 base play, resource management and army management existed. Compositions of armies, timings, positioning, mobility, etc. in LoL, there are no such considerations. Gold farmed and XP are such that they only go up, so are pretty much permanent income. positioning and timing are getting nerfed out of the game (ward spam, lack of tools to push before you're all farmed up) composition is getting nerfed out (you can't harass or starve the other team to death, so all you build for is one big fight)

The only meaningful 'resource' is nashor buff, evidenced by the way current games play out.

in strategy games as well, the bigger you are, the easier it is to hurt you. more bases = more defenses needed. in lol, the bigger you are, the harder it is to hurt you, cause there's only one real resource. Baron steal or bust. ward it up and you have free reign. the weaker guy has to defend all 3 lanes/inhibs. the stronger guy generally only has to defend baron.

I kinda went off on a tangent, but what I'm getting at is that LoL in general is too close to a static RPG and not close enough to a strategy game. I honestly believe that's the core of so many of its problems.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 05 2011 18:58 GMT
#16487
best players know where enemy team is without wards (or have a good sense)
:)
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
June 05 2011 19:04 GMT
#16488
On June 06 2011 02:36 TheYango wrote:
6 months ago, people were telling me you don't need CV on supports. Someone even told me something along the lines of "anything you can do with CV you can do with wards." Now everyone's saying CV is OP.

How does it take 6 months for people to realize how ridiculous global, instantaneous, uncounterable map vision on a 40 sec CD is?

Back then you could count cs so you didnt need it to keep track of junglers.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
June 05 2011 20:38 GMT
#16489
Are you a low elo player tired of feeling like you can never get the right pick to carry your team to victory (like me?)

Want to carry, but also not need a solo lane? (since no one ever gives you solo lane even if you are first pick and you pick a solo lane champ)

I have found a solution: play poppy!

In low elo everyone bans tanks and builds pure offense. Why not take poppy who has built in tankiness with her passive and can blow up squishies? Not to mention she doesn't even need a solo lane with the strength of gp5 items.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 05 2011 20:41 GMT
#16490
Nothing is worse than losing a won game because on idiot throws it away. Happened multiple times to me this week, and is it any wonder why people play for themselves, when a random idiot can throw it all down the drain. The tank not tanking, one person not grouping, I'm glad season one is ending because there are just idiots all the way up to 2000 elo, and it's a coin flip between getting competent players and complete morons.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 05 2011 21:35 GMT
#16491
On June 06 2011 05:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Nothing is worse than losing a won game because on idiot throws it away. Happened multiple times to me this week, and is it any wonder why people play for themselves, when a random idiot can throw it all down the drain. The tank not tanking, one person not grouping, I'm glad season one is ending because there are just idiots all the way up to 2000 elo, and it's a coin flip between getting competent players and complete morons.


Sup, there is a QQ thread located here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 05 2011 21:38 GMT
#16492
I'm gonna laugh when season 2 is just like season 1 and everyone who was like I can't wait for season 2 is like lol oh
:)
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
June 05 2011 21:38 GMT
#16493
On June 06 2011 05:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'm glad season one is ending because there are just idiots all the way up to 2000 elo, and it's a coin flip between getting competent players and complete morons.

At first i read that as "complete minions"


Also well played blackpaladin
You can't milk those!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
June 05 2011 21:41 GMT
#16494
On June 06 2011 06:38 unichan wrote:
I'm gonna laugh when season 2 is just like season 1 and everyone who was like I can't wait for season 2 is like lol oh

Hahah exactly.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 21:42:49
June 05 2011 21:42 GMT
#16495
Then we get to watch Grackis get carried to 1900 elo again by playing 2k+ games!
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 05 2011 21:57 GMT
#16496
On June 06 2011 06:38 unichan wrote:
I'm gonna laugh when season 2 is just like season 1 and everyone who was like I can't wait for season 2 is like lol oh

Elo reset removes the inflation. 1200's should be at 1200, not 1500. Just like Choax should be at 900 elo.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
June 05 2011 22:05 GMT
#16497
Okay, and there will be new people who don't belong in their elo who get carried up again anyways.
Also, chaox is not a 900 elo player.
The way I see it, elo hard reset is just going to create a frenzied hell for the first few months until everything just goes back to the way it was before.
:)
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
June 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#16498
On June 06 2011 07:05 unichan wrote:
Okay, and there will be new people who don't belong in their elo who get carried up again anyways.
Also, chaox is not a 900 elo player.
The way I see it, elo hard reset is just going to create a frenzied hell for the first few months until everything just goes back to the way it was before.

obv Chaox is a 900 elo player but his main and smurf are 2k+ due to elo inflation.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 05 2011 22:27 GMT
#16499
lol I love Bob's stream. Awesome music, and he's hilarious.

"Just got to play with Sivir's spell shield."
Bob: "Spell shield....is that what they call it now?"
:D
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
June 05 2011 22:45 GMT
#16500
On June 06 2011 03:58 unichan wrote:
best players know where enemy team is without wards (or have a good sense)

Are they baroning or hiding in wait?!?!?
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