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Two_DoWn
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I personally feel like too much information is given out for free and it's too easy to adapt to new information. "Ok, Amumu just got a chainmail, time to b and grab LW." That's not quite how it works, but it's close enough. You see almost immediately what happened, and it takes about 20 seconds to b, buy, and regroup. Any surprise factor is removed. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 04 2011 05:31 0123456789 wrote: CV needs to be taken out of the game. It makes the game too passive. Doesn't removing CV make Oracles ridiculously strong though? | ||
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
On June 04 2011 05:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: but you should use the mpen anyway because it's really strong for ganks and teamfights and such. i dont think mumu needs armor yellow AND red to jungle That's definitely a factor to consider. Jungling with cloth armor + 5 pots is really easy. I would take magic pen reds with those starting items, like most people I think. I'm trying to open with regrowth pendant + pot, maybe for games where my solos dominate with blue and also because philo stone is so good. But I still want to cut some corners in defense tree by going 1/16/13 to get the buff duration and flash mastery. I think I can do the standard route with these masteries if I get armor reds and a leash. Of course, I could try other routes too though. Let me know if you have experience with this opening. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 04 2011 05:32 Blind wrote: That's definitely a factor to consider. Jungling with cloth armor + 5 pots is really easy. I would take magic pen reds with those starting items, like most people I think. I'm trying to open with regrowth pendant + pot, maybe for games where my solos dominate with blue and also because philo stone is so good. But I still want to cut some corners in defense tree by going 1/16/13 to get the buff duration and flash mastery. I think I can do the standard route with these masteries if I get armor reds and a leash. Of course, I could try other routes too though. Let me know if you have experience with this opening. IMO you should still start with Cloth simply because of the much better flexibility. You can build Philo later, but Cloth builds into enough things that the added flexibility of starting Cloth + 5pot over Regrowth + 1pot is worth it. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On June 04 2011 05:32 TheYango wrote: Doesn't removing CV make Oracles ridiculously strong though? It makes having map control a higher priority. I don't get what you mean by Oracles being ridiculously strong. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On June 04 2011 05:36 Mogwai wrote: I played jungle amumu on my main for the first time in 4 or 5 months a couple days ago. Opened Philo like a boss, it's awesome. Cool people have been doing this since forever. B) | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 04 2011 05:51 dnastyx wrote: Cool people have been doing this since forever. B) saint's been doing philo Amumu for two patches now. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On June 04 2011 06:24 NeoIllusions wrote: saint's been doing philo Amumu for two patches now. Bob (and ofc jatt at the same time ;x) has been doing it since ~3 months ago and everyone called it stupid build  | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 04 2011 06:25 Kaniol wrote: Bob (and ofc jatt at the same time ;x) has been doing it since ~3 months ago and everyone called it stupid build To be fair, that was back when HoGs were still ridiculously strong, and IMO Philo was harder to justify when you could get HoG instead. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
>stop making every new champ a fucking lane-dominator that ALSO scales incredibly well - if a champ is going to be good early game, have them be shit late game, or turned into a support hero. nunu and nidalee are prime examples of champs who have very high power level early and very mediocre-bad power level late. tryndamere is a good example of the opposite of this. jarvan is a good example of a champion that has high power level throughout the game, which is bad. - actually just stop adding champs in general, *lol*. there are plenty that could use a re-work and i'm pretty sure every niche role has been filled by this point. new champs are just becoming re-hashes of old ones (i.e. oriannalux the nuking support girl) >itemize flash AND/OR make it work like dota's blink dagger - blink dagger is a beautiful item because it only works offensively. if you've taken damage you can't use it, so you can't be like "OH SHIT 5-MAN GANK COMING I'M GONNA JUST HUG THIS WALL, EAT A ROUND OF CC AND GET TO 1% HEALTH, THEN FLASH OVER LOLOL MY TEAM TAKES BARON AND I GET AWAY RISK FREE." - in doing this, jungle ganks will be MUCH stronger because there won't be that bullshit flash right at the end of a gank that saves someone. if the laner initiates, the flash won't be able to activate, then the jungler can run in and finish. >CV on a longer cooldown, with a shorter lifespan - with 21 utility you have like a 15 second CV on a 39 second cooldown. it's a joke right now. CV doesn't need to last more than 4 or 5 seconds to be a good summoner. it's OP right now. >make 2 kinds of invisibility, if you're going to have it at all - champ invisibility, and item invisibility. - wards are not the same kind of invisible as champs. champs and wards take a different kind of oracle to reveal. that way you can't just throw an oracle on your tanky jungler, have him hunt down wards (and never die because he can flash over a wall if you gank!), and then render your eve worthless. - alternatively, remove invisibility from champs and up the price of oracles - up the price of oracles anyways. this will prevent junglers from getting early oracles and destroying vision around the map - up the price of wards too *lol* map control is too cheap in this game >add some different/better buffs to creeps - why is black buff not in SR yet? that would crush for junglers - invis buff, double damage buff, illusion buff, just like dota. those are all great buffs that really add excitement to the game - make the creeps the same, but the buffs random (i.e. golem can have red buff, black buff, invis buff, blue buff, whatever). this will make jungling more dynamic, and yes, harder, so lanes can be more aggressive. but at the same time, getting the right buffs will make ganks stronger as well. >remove gold/5 items from the game OR make them more expensive - i.e. nerf philo stone. i think all three of the other items are in a good place. if you're going to have an item in the game that gives you unlimited staying power, DON'T MAKE IT GIVE YOU GOLD TOO WTF >balance summoner spells better - i really like the idea of summoner spells but there are some that are clearly bad. fortify is a bad summoner spell, it drags the game out. rally is a bad summoner spell, it does nothing. flash is a bad summoner spell, it is extremely overpowered. ignite and ghost are great summoner spells, they're in a great spot right now. the other summoners should be balanced around ignite and ghost >remove all the goddamn shields from the game - every goddamn champion has a goddamn shield in this game, it's so annoying. give us more nukes or CC or utility spells, not shields. shields are bad design, worse than heals imo. >add denying - even though i know this would never happen - but lol at riot saying it's "counterintuitive" - yeah everything else in this game makes perfect sense LOL >change/remove all the bad/unfun skills in the game, like - vlad's transfusion LOL GREAT SKILL IDEA ON NO-MANA CHAMP LOL - vayne's silver bolts LOL REAL BALANCED - jarvan's shield LOL JARVAN NOT ENOUGH CC OR SURVIVABILITY WE GIVE HIM BOTH IN THE SAME SKILL - blitz hook (change, not remove). he should definitely be able to grab teammates - all globals. i hate to be that guy because i love shen to death, but globals really do create passivity in the game. ALTERNATELY make teleport much better or itemize teleport in the form of TP scrolls so ALL champs can skirt around the map with ease - and while you're at it can you fucking fix banshee's interaction with bullshit spells? i don't want banshee's to be worthless in games with TF and nocturne that's STUPID. >make boots1 more expensive and boots2 more balanced - herp i've never understood why boots are so cheap in this game, and why merc treads are so overpowered compared to the rest >better early and mid-game items - more stuff like brutalizer, late-game items are too cheap and/or too powerful for their price and the time that you get them. item progression should be a transition, not just a 1-time purchase of all your late-game gear. those are just a handful of ideas that i would implement. yeah i know it seems like all of those are practically changes that dota does but what can i say? dota just did some things better \o/ | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 04 2011 06:52 Kaniol wrote: Maybe it wasn't 3 moths ago, it was when people stopped playing mummy cause of HoG nerf I'm pretty sure I remember Jatt/Bob playing Philo Amumu while HoGs were still good. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: changes that i, the humble guitar-playing indei dinosaur, would make to make the game more competitive and better IMO: >stop making every new champ a fucking lane-dominator that ALSO scales incredibly well - if a champ is going to be good early game, have them be shit late game, or turned into a support hero. nunu and nidalee are prime examples of champs who have very high power level early and very mediocre-bad power level late. tryndamere is a good example of the opposite of this. jarvan is a good example of a champion that has high power level throughout the game, which is bad. - actually just stop adding champs in general, *lol*. there are plenty that could use a re-work and i'm pretty sure every niche role has been filled by this point. new champs are just becoming re-hashes of old ones (i.e. oriannalux the nuking support girl) I don't mind the new champs too much since the pace has slowed down and since there's a definite limit. But I agree. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >itemize flash AND/OR make it work like dota's blink dagger - blink dagger is a beautiful item because it only works offensively. if you've taken damage you can't use it, so you can't be like "OH SHIT 5-MAN GANK COMING I'M GONNA JUST HUG THIS WALL, EAT A ROUND OF CC AND GET TO 1% HEALTH, THEN FLASH OVER LOLOL MY TEAM TAKES BARON AND I GET AWAY RISK FREE." - in doing this, jungle ganks will be MUCH stronger because there won't be that bullshit flash right at the end of a gank that saves someone. if the laner initiates, the flash won't be able to activate, then the jungler can run in and finish. Yesplease. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >CV on a longer cooldown, with a shorter lifespan - with 21 utility you have like a 15 second CV on a 39 second cooldown. it's a joke right now. CV doesn't need to last more than 4 or 5 seconds to be a good summoner. it's OP right now. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >make 2 kinds of invisibility, if you're going to have it at all - champ invisibility, and item invisibility. - wards are not the same kind of invisible as champs. champs and wards take a different kind of oracle to reveal. that way you can't just throw an oracle on your tanky jungler, have him hunt down wards (and never die because he can flash over a wall if you gank!), and then render your eve worthless. - alternatively, remove invisibility from champs and up the price of oracles - up the price of oracles anyways. this will prevent junglers from getting early oracles and destroying vision around the map - up the price of wards too *lol* map control is too cheap in this game + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >add some different/better buffs to creeps - why is black buff not in SR yet? that would crush for junglers - invis buff, double damage buff, illusion buff, just like dota. those are all great buffs that really add excitement to the game - make the creeps the same, but the buffs random (i.e. golem can have red buff, black buff, invis buff, blue buff, whatever). this will make jungling more dynamic, and yes, harder, so lanes can be more aggressive. but at the same time, getting the right buffs will make ganks stronger as well. Ew ew ew ew no. I'm ok with different buffs in SR, but 1) random buffs? yuck and 2) i don't like dota buffs. Double damage is ridiculous, invisibility we need LESS of, illusion isn't supported by LoL mechanics, regeneration is just another way for someone to get back to full health in 10 seconds, and haste is acceptable. I seriously would suddenly hate jungling if I was screwed over one game because both buff camps were red. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >remove gold/5 items from the game OR make them more expensive - i.e. nerf philo stone. i think all three of the other items are in a good place. if you're going to have an item in the game that gives you unlimited staying power, DON'T MAKE IT GIVE YOU GOLD TOO WTF + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >balance summoner spells better - i really like the idea of summoner spells but there are some that are clearly bad. fortify is a bad summoner spell, it drags the game out. rally is a bad summoner spell, it does nothing. flash is a bad summoner spell, it is extremely overpowered. ignite and ghost are great summoner spells, they're in a great spot right now. the other summoners should be balanced around ignite and ghost + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >remove all the goddamn shields from the game - every goddamn champion has a goddamn shield in this game, it's so annoying. give us more nukes or CC or utility spells, not shields. shields are bad design, worse than heals imo. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >add denying - even though i know this would never happen - but lol at riot saying it's "counterintuitive" - yeah everything else in this game makes perfect sense LOL + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >change/remove all the bad/unfun skills in the game, like - vlad's transfusion LOL GREAT SKILL IDEA ON NO-MANA CHAMP LOL - vayne's silver bolts LOL REAL BALANCED - jarvan's shield LOL JARVAN NOT ENOUGH CC OR SURVIVABILITY WE GIVE HIM BOTH IN THE SAME SKILL - blitz hook (change, not remove). he should definitely be able to grab teammates - all globals. i hate to be that guy because i love shen to death, but globals really do create passivity in the game. ALTERNATELY make teleport much better or itemize teleport in the form of TP scrolls so ALL champs can skirt around the map with ease - and while you're at it can you fucking fix banshee's interaction with bullshit spells? i don't want banshee's to be worthless in games with TF and nocturne that's STUPID. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2011 06:47 gtrsrs wrote: >make boots1 more expensive and boots2 more balanced - herp i've never understood why boots are so cheap in this game, and why merc treads are so overpowered compared to the rest >better early and mid-game items - more stuff like brutalizer, late-game items are too cheap and/or too powerful for their price and the time that you get them. item progression should be a transition, not just a 1-time purchase of all your late-game gear. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
its funny gutiar, cus many of the changes you want is the reason why i play LoL and not HoN. It sounds like you wanna turn LoL to a exact copy of HoN lol, weird. Many of these changes would make me go "fuck no!" and quit the game. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
apparently they are planning on scrimming like 7 days every day until dreamhack. Should make CLG and the Europeans run for their money :D | ||
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