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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
On June 03 2011 07:04 Arthemesia wrote: Does anyone know if Corki has been half off recently? I've been saving a bit of rp for him when half off but he hasn't it feels like in forever. He was actually free for a bit because RIOT had that milestone in users. But yeah, I have been waiting for him to be on sale as well and I don't think there has been one yet. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On June 03 2011 08:16 broz0rs wrote: He was actually free for a bit because RIOT had that milestone in users. But yeah, I have been waiting for him to be on sale as well and I don't think there has been one yet. Wait, I was under the impression that only skins had sales, but not the actual champion...? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On June 03 2011 06:31 ArC_man wrote: This is the general rule I follow also. The tougher decision comes when you're not sure if your team has enough time to kill the inhib and heal up in time to defend the counter baron. In an even game, would you prefer to take the gamble knowing that if someone on your team is even a bit slow, the enemy team will for sure get baron; or would you just prefer to just play it safe and grab baron-> heal and push? IMO as a safe player, if there's any doubt in my mind that we can't get the inhib and heal in time to defend, I'll almost always pick baron. I think the safe mentality is what a lot of people have when they bum rush baron after a won fight. They either don't realize or don't have the confidence that they can 100% get that inhib while being able to defend the counter. Baron is always a 100% guaranteed thing that will give your team an advantage for the next couple of minutes. Not to mention the fun in later stages of the game at lol-ELO... someone see a few of them running to dragon, ping it, run towards it and you counter that with even more ping and GO BARON GO BARON GO BARON spam. OH GAWD WE HAS TO CONTEST DRAGON AT 40 MINS OH GAWD. =D | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On June 03 2011 08:21 APurpleCow wrote: Wait, I was under the impression that only skins had sales, but not the actual champion...? http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-sale-50-amumu-dr-mundo-and-renekton | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
On June 03 2011 08:21 APurpleCow wrote: Wait, I was under the impression that only skins had sales, but not the actual champion...? As far as I can remember, three selected champions are on sale every Friday to Monday for 50% off RP. This discount does not apply towards IP. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yov6I.png) I was so fucking thrilled to play and then the other team queue dodged  Never got the same team again. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On June 03 2011 05:25 Southlight wrote: Towers will be there, Baron is a constant combat threat and restricts your team's farm/advantage. I've also seen plenty of close games cracked open by good baron timing by the losing team (ie. kill one -> baron). Baron also gives you (often) free reign on buff control. Don't trivialize it. Also you rarely have time to tower -> Baron, unless it's super late in the game. Usually by going after tower you're setting yourself up to LOSE baron because the other team will simply bumrush Baron and take it while half your team is still weak from the previous fight. Obviously depends on how much map control you can exert post-tower, but this is precisely my general mentality as well. Must be all that kassadin play; chip away at them slowly but surely. | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:30 HazMat wrote: So tempted to buy Lochness Cho on sale but at the same time want to save my rp in case there will be end of season 2 sales. wow saving for end of season 2 sales. thinkin long term, i like it. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:16 R04R wrote: I was so fucking thrilled to play and then the other team queue dodged Never got the same team again.I once played against a team almost exactly like this. They also had some Heals and Clarity. At first I thought it was going to be a noob stomp. Then I realised they were impossible to kill in teamfights because 4 heals + Zilean Ult means you will never, ever kill someone. They had perfect map awareness and whenever there was a tower siege they always won the war of attrition and never went oom and healed off any harass/poke. The main weakness with a comp like this is that you have to move as 5 more maximum effectiveness, so you lose to split-pushes and backdooring. And if it comes down to a tower-killing race, you don't have enough damage to outrace the other team. But it's practically impossible to die in teamfights, lol. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On June 03 2011 11:16 R04R wrote: I was so fucking thrilled to play and then the other team queue dodged Never got the same team again.In a ranked match, I once played 5 tanks vs 5 squishy carries. Needless to say, tanks won. CC stacking ftw | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
Why don't people play Warmogs/Atmas combos on melee AD based champs more often? Or at least Frozen Mallet/Atmas? I'm kinda having fun "trolling" with yi/noc where I get wriggles -> boots -> triforce -> negatron -> warmogs -> atmas -> FoN Is this trolling or legit? (Going triforce over ghostblade cause its beefier and feels better with the overall combo) PS: Lategame I just sell wriggles for LW. I'd kinda want to get BT over Triforce to keep some lifesteal late but it feels so much weaker midgame. =/ PPS: brb warmogs shaco | ||
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yellowguan
43 Posts
On June 03 2011 14:01 r.Evo wrote: Why don't people play Warmogs/Atmas combos on melee AD based champs more often? Or at least Frozen Mallet/Atmas? Very very strong combo. But can you get it before you lose the game during the early to mid game stages if you happen to rush it? | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On June 03 2011 14:08 yellowguan wrote: Haha, The Rain Man streamin himself playing starcraft 2 in silver league during the server instabilities. Very very strong combo. But can you get it before you lose the game during the early to mid game stages if you happen to rush it? Why would you lose the game? Health is known to be strong early so rushing warmogs = hitting that timing. It also abuses the fact that melee DPS champs have strong base dmg on spells so they really don't have to worry about items earlygame THAT much (which explains the success of stuff like gold/5 stacking on jarman as opposed to gold/5 stacking on champs like ashe/annie). Then you buy chainmail (maybe negatron if their magic dmg is huge, but thanks to your HUGE health pool casters don't like to target you, especially bursters), because armor is always good, so it's STILL good choice and then you are only 1,5k away from atma's. I play atmogs on any possible solo lane/jungle melee dps. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 03 2011 14:01 r.Evo wrote: Random question. Why don't people play Warmogs/Atmas combos on melee AD based champs more often? Or at least Frozen Mallet/Atmas? The individual components themselves don't really do too much. For example, the components of Atmas don't give you any damage until you finally assemble them so you don't do damage in that period where you're trying to farm. Also, it means you have a weaker early and mid game. If you rush Warmog-Atmas you don't do enough damage early game, and if you get Dorans/Butaliser/other itmes yous low down your Atmamogs. This is particularly of note for, say, Garen who really wants to take advantage of his strong early game. Atmamogs works on people like Jarvan because before he gets them, he still has decent damage output and CC and so is still relevant in teamfights and so forth. For people like Xin/Renek/Udyr they can't afford to do the same and they generally have some (mid to reasonably) expensive item they want to get first, such as Bruta/Ghostblade/Sunfire which sets them back from just rushing for Atmamogs. That's how I understand it anyways. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On June 03 2011 21:11 MoonBear wrote: The individual components themselves don't really do too much. For example, the components of Atmas don't give you any damage until you finally assemble them so you don't do damage in that period where you're trying to farm. Also, it means you have a weaker early and mid game. If you rush Warmog-Atmas you don't do enough damage early game, and if you get Dorans/Butaliser/other itmes yous low down your Atmamogs. This is particularly of note for, say, Garen who really wants to take advantage of his strong early game. Atmamogs works on people like Jarvan because before he gets them, he still has decent damage output and CC and so is still relevant in teamfights and so forth. For people like Xin/Renek/Udyr they can't afford to do the same and they generally have some (mid to reasonably) expensive item they want to get first, such as Bruta/Ghostblade/Sunfire which sets them back from just rushing for Atmamogs. That's how I understand it anyways. My thoughtprocess is like this: a) I still get that "expensive damage item" aka Ghostblade, Triforce, whatever. b) Now I need defensive items to not explode instantly. Random Chainmail or Negatron vs whatever they throw at us most (keep in mind that like Aegis+Mresrunes+Mercs (maybe some armor from wriggles/flat armor runes) usually puts your number high enough to avoid that resist item pretty long. Now I have: -A nice damage item. -Most likely some kind of lifesteal -T2 Boots -Reasonable high resists for an offtank (120ish) What I miss most RIGHT NOW is health. -> Giants belt. Then it's either the other resist item I didn't get earlier or straight to my warmogs. Chainmail becomes Atmas and Negatron becomes FoN. The end. I just feel like champs like yi or noc (maybe even shaco but not sure at all there) have such a huge damageoutput with one big item and their skillset that investing into defensive items > everything after you have that. Also those builds scale so fucking great. (Cause you can buy the cheap small components like chainmail/negatron/giants belt depending on whats needed in which order without investing huge chunks of gold into any specific direction. Those items are great stand alone but just insane when combined and finished into their big cousins.) Edit: I think rainmans warmogs/atmas teemo vs fed vlad really got to me. =P Edit 2: To summarize it I try to put people into the "If we focus this guy, we need so long and die to his team, but if we don't focus him our carries explode instantly"-problem. Or is this something that won't work at higher ELO? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Wherein the hero has an innate paradox, treading the line between damage output (their role) and durability (not really what they're designed to do, but necessary to perform their role). Why do I bring this up? Because Atma's costs 2300 gold, and to make Atma's worth it you need more gold - usually at least 1000, which leads to a 3000+ gold cost. On a hero like Master Yi this is often too expensive - the damage output from Atma + Belt is still lower than BF Sword, and the hero is so reliant on explosive damage output that investing into defensive items slows him down and sets the game further back - how much longer does he need to farm to hit "God status" to smack people down, and does he achieve this ever against equally or similarly farmed ranged DPS? How about if he's against several strong spellcasters that have CC handy? Certain heroes also simply lack the farming speed to get to Atmog quickly enough to make it worthwhile. Nocturne, for instance, farms relatively slowly unless he can get some quick, successful ganks going (at which point it's worth asking whether it's better to get Atmog, wherein he'd need a lot of farm to grind up Warmog, or just grab an IE so he blasts people in 3 hits). Noc and other melee/tanky DPS can circumvent this via innate skill damage or CC utility, but this is often also a simple way of displaying OP-ness: the more a hero can abuse Atmog, the more that hero probably has a power balance issue. Because you're able to freely circumvent the early-game lackluster-ness of Warmog offensively and slide into Atma's Impaler. Other heroes that can "use" the strat (ie. Sivir) simply have such good innate farming speed and so little expectations regarding their early-mid game that they can just "do it" and people just figure it's the best way to build. | ||
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