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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 31 2011 19:21 GMT
#16081
On June 01 2011 02:19 MoonBear wrote:
From my understanding, Executioner's Calling does not prevent Vlad's life gain. It also does not work against spellvamp. Most range carried would rather be rushing their first BF Sword into IE/BT/BC anyway. The item is also an active which doesn't apply to your auto-attacks but is instead a targetted ability. I might be wrong here though.

Exec's does affect healing from Q and W because they are healing effects. It doesn't affect spellvamp because it's not a healing effect.

On June 01 2011 02:19 MoonBear wrote:
If you really want to shut Vlad down hard, you want a lane bully. Rumble and Brand are both excellent at doing this. I'm surprised I don't see them as often given how hard they can win lanes.

This.

The other thing to remember is that a level 9 Vlad that got denied is still a level 9 Vlad. I've seen lots of games lost because people got cocky after denying Vlad early, and let him farm his way back into the game.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 31 2011 19:23 GMT
#16082
When I'm ahead of Vlad I just kill him over and over and over again and never let him back into the game. The problem with level 9 denied Vlads is that they still think they're regular level 9 Vlads.
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mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
May 31 2011 20:35 GMT
#16083
Since I'll be playing LoL again real soon I was looking through the new characters since I took a break(last hero i remember was Jarvan or LeeSin). I was just wondering why Brand wasn't a popular pick from top teams in the qualifier. Seems like he has an amazing skillset considering its 4 nukes (1 sometimes 2 AoE). Closest comparison to him is Malzahar but he's forced to wait on a single target while Brand can use stun bonus for single target or go for an epic AoE combo.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 31 2011 20:36 GMT
#16084
Brand's damage is fucking retard. It's insanely huge. I think next Brand free week we'll see more of him played because he seems pretty good to me.
Retvrn to Forvms
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 31 2011 20:37 GMT
#16085
I see Brand all the time on EU streams. I have no idea why no one in NA uses him.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 31 2011 20:38 GMT
#16086
Because Maokai also has 4 nukes, but Maokai's nukes have more utility and he has tankier stats
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 31 2011 20:47 GMT
#16087
On June 01 2011 05:38 Mogwai wrote:
Because Maokai also has 4 nukes, but Maokai's nukes have more utility and he has tankier stats

Meh I disagree. Maokai is great but his dmg is nowhere close to Brand's.
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
May 31 2011 20:49 GMT
#16088
WW is too strong at 500 elo. Easiest ganks in the world.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
May 31 2011 20:53 GMT
#16089
On June 01 2011 05:47 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 05:38 Mogwai wrote:
Because Maokai also has 4 nukes, but Maokai's nukes have more utility and he has tankier stats

Meh I disagree. Maokai is great but his dmg is nowhere close to Brand's.

then you obviously havent built enough AP and stacked enough saplings in a bush waiting for someone :D

EEEEEEEEESPLAT
You can't milk those!
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
May 31 2011 21:03 GMT
#16090
AP Maokai more funny than AP shaco, that's so true
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
May 31 2011 21:11 GMT
#16091
On June 01 2011 06:03 Kaniol wrote:
AP Maokai more funny than AP shaco, that's so true

gotta combine AP maokai and AP shaco in the same bush
You can't milk those!
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
May 31 2011 21:20 GMT
#16092
On June 01 2011 06:11 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 06:03 Kaniol wrote:
AP Maokai more funny than AP shaco, that's so true

gotta combine AP maokai and AP shaco in the same bush



please don't do this you might make some poor team cry .. I can see it now.. Why would you go in that bush!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 21:36:07
May 31 2011 21:35 GMT
#16093
On June 01 2011 05:35 mrgerry wrote:
Since I'll be playing LoL again real soon I was looking through the new characters since I took a break(last hero i remember was Jarvan or LeeSin). I was just wondering why Brand wasn't a popular pick from top teams in the qualifier. Seems like he has an amazing skillset considering its 4 nukes (1 sometimes 2 AoE). Closest comparison to him is Malzahar but he's forced to wait on a single target while Brand can use stun bonus for single target or go for an epic AoE combo.

Malzahar has way more utility than Brand. 3 second AoE silence wrecks teamfights, never mind the suppression ult; that conditional single-target stun just doesn't compare at all.
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Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
May 31 2011 22:06 GMT
#16094
I wouldn't call it way more utility, a 2 second stun on a 4 second cd (with CDR) is rather useful to have aswell.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 22:14:09
May 31 2011 22:12 GMT
#16095
On June 01 2011 07:06 Nafaltar wrote:
I wouldn't call it way more utility, a 2 second stun on a 4 second cd (with CDR) is rather useful to have aswell.

A 2 second skillshot stun that requires you to hit someone that's ablaze, and can get disrupted by a non-ablaze target tanking the skillshot.

It has all the weaknesses of a skillshot CC (namely it's unreliability), and it throws away the prime advantage of most skillshot CCs (range), because you have to get close enough to proc your passive before Qing in order to get the stun.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 31 2011 22:20 GMT
#16096
Brand doesn't really have to get close to get his passive on someone. E is his shortest ranged skill and still has 675 range. Taric's stun is shorter ranged than that (650). I'd agree that Malz's silence is still much better CC but I don't think your range argument makes sense Yango.
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Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
May 31 2011 23:00 GMT
#16097
Well you might not always be able to choose exactly who you want to stun but if you can't hit a hero with your Q in a teamfight then your aim is abysmal and you will likely miss the entire enemy team with malzahar silence+pool anyway. And needing to have the enemies ablaze is hardly a problem. Thats like saying malz ult in 1v1 is bad if you don't cast pool under them first (infact thats harder to get right than to set someone ablaze).
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
May 31 2011 23:02 GMT
#16098
Recent studies have shown that due to the introduction of Tenacity. Burst Damage has become the most reliable CC.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 23:07:41
May 31 2011 23:07 GMT
#16099
Malzahar is easier to play than Brand. Brand has all these crazy conditionals; Malzahar just drops QWE on the enemy team and then kills someone with R. It's pretty easy to be terrible with both champions, but Brand's capabilities have a lower floor than Malzahar's.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 01 2011 01:17 GMT
#16100
In 5s setting, Brand is definitely up there with Swain. People are starting to notice how ridiculous Swain is. It's more intricate than your average champion's kit. Brand is pretty much the same situation. Give it a month or two, have someone like Salce or jiji who excel at casters play him, then we welcome the next FotM.
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