On November 21 2010 07:25 TheYango wrote: Depending on how you interpret "the best jungler in the game" (e.g. "the best champion in the game at jungling" or "the most overall useful champ in the game that jungles") he might not even be the best jungler.
IMO Rammus, Udyr, Warwick, and Amumu all slot better or worse than one another into different kinds of teams. You can't really just say "we need a jungler--pick Warwick" and be good to go.
How can any of them be the best jungler when Karthus is? 3:10 clear time? Fuck yeah.
So here's a completely random question: Does anyone know if SoS works for Mundo? I've been skipping it in the Defensive tree 'cause Mundo has no mana...
On November 21 2010 06:58 0123456789 wrote: What's up with all the malphite soloes?
its a new, retarded, fotm where malphs will max q first and just walk up and poke you, then go back and recharge shield/cd. Imo its kinda dumb, kus im not really as scared of malph as a number of other heroes that become scary with solo farm, but w/e. I'll just say tho, that my first troll TL IH, i did malph solo mid, and that was like 2 months ago ^.^
edit: also, hes a pretty strong jungler, i'd rather see him in there than in the solo lane
It's not about Malph's farm as much as shutting down the opposing player's farm - if they're a ranged carry or a mage usually Malph can do enough damage to completely zone them out or kill them. Considering LoL pretty much revolves around 1) ranged carry farms 2) ??? 3) PROFIT right now, it can hurt another team hard.
That being said, if you have someone bulky against him in a lane that can keep their health up - like Cho'Gath/Gragas/Morde or something - it pretty much completely counterpicks him since the fact that Malph is a waste of farm hurts your team then.
On November 21 2010 07:21 travis wrote: Why does being the best jungler in the game make him worthy of a nerf? (and being "by far" the best jungler is pretty arguable imo... other junglers can actually escape from ganks).
he's great in the jungle but he's like... INCREDIBLY BAD in a lane.
also how can anyone argue that he is remotely overpowered in team fights?
so how exactly does being a great jungler make him nerf worthy?
He's actually a good laner lol. He's even a strong solo lane. People just put him in the jungle because he is the "best" overall jungler (obviously some team comps would rather have amumu etc..). And he's good in teamfights. It's fairly hard to get him off of your carry and heals for a ton with q + ulti so if he buils tanky he can wack at your carry forever.
On November 21 2010 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote: So here's a completely random question: Does anyone know if SoS works for Mundo? I've been skipping it in the Defensive tree 'cause Mundo has no mana...
0.1% of 0 is 0, so yeah, it doesn't actually do anything. I'd say that that's working, because it's doing what the description says it does, but....
On November 21 2010 07:21 travis wrote: Why does being the best jungler in the game make him worthy of a nerf? (and being "by far" the best jungler is pretty arguable imo... other junglers can actually escape from ganks).
he's great in the jungle but he's like... INCREDIBLY BAD in a lane.
also how can anyone argue that he is remotely overpowered in team fights?
so how exactly does being a great jungler make him nerf worthy?
He's actually a good laner lol. He's even a strong solo lane. People just put him in the jungle because he is the "best" overall jungler (obviously some team comps would rather have amumu etc..). And he's good in teamfights. It's fairly hard to get him off of your carry and heals for a ton with q + ulti so if he buils tanky he can wack at your carry forever.
he so is not a good laner, lol. wtf are u talking about. he is weak as hell and doesn't have ranged. he's subject to get ganked and has no escape mechanism. he is "alright" vs most champions but certain ones u aren't going to be able to do anything u won't even be able to get last hits until the creeps push up to your tower
and there is nothing outstanding about him in teamfights sure he "isn't bad" in any way, but that's the case for almost all the champions. was never saying he was bad in teamfights just that he isn't at all overpowered there.
i can't believe u said warwick is a "good laner". wtf does "good" mean to you?
honestly, u might be amazing warwick, so maybe u can pull of laning with him vs some champions. but "a good laner"? make some vods plz of u owning up the lane vs decent players cuz i don't believe it.
Good laner as in he can win lanes and has a way of shrugging off harassment, something that a lot of champions do not. You obviously never played with someone brave enough to take shit from his whole team for going lane wick, like wazzabi.
On November 21 2010 07:21 travis wrote: Why does being the best jungler in the game make him worthy of a nerf? (and being "by far" the best jungler is pretty arguable imo... other junglers can actually escape from ganks).
he's great in the jungle but he's like... INCREDIBLY BAD in a lane.
also how can anyone argue that he is remotely overpowered in team fights?
so how exactly does being a great jungler make him nerf worthy?
He's actually a good laner lol. He's even a strong solo lane. People just put him in the jungle because he is the "best" overall jungler (obviously some team comps would rather have amumu etc..). And he's good in teamfights. It's fairly hard to get him off of your carry and heals for a ton with q + ulti so if he buils tanky he can wack at your carry forever.
he so is not a good laner, lol. wtf are u talking about. he is weak as hell and doesn't have ranged. he's subject to get ganked and has no escape mechanism. he is "alright" vs most champions but certain ones u aren't going to be able to do anything u won't even be able to get last hits until the creeps push up to your tower
and there is nothing outstanding about him in teamfights sure he "isn't bad" in any way, but that's the case for almost all the champions. was never saying he was bad in teamfights just that he isn't at all overpowered there.
i can't believe u said warwick is a "good laner". wtf does "good" mean to you?
honestly, u might be amazing warwick, so maybe u can pull of laning with him vs some champions. but "a good laner"? make some vods plz of u owning up the lane vs decent players cuz i don't believe it.
Warwick isnt the best jungler (although its arguable, lets say there is no BEST jungler) or the fastest jungler (rammus, udyr, nunu clear most camps faster than him) but he is DEFINITELY the SAFEST jungler by miles and miles. Warwick can clear every creep camp while maintaining near full hp and without wasting a lot of money on potions. No other jungler can do that. This makes up for the fact that he has no escapes because he can engage lower hp junglers and win fairly easily as Warwick is very strong against tanks and in small scuffle scenerios (2 or less enemy champions)
I think this is a preemptive nerf before releasing magma chamber where champions that are usually very strong in small battle scenerios are not running too rampantly over ones that aren't.
Also as far as laning is concerned, warwick could lane but its easier for him to get gold by jungling and it's so safe there is really no downside to jungling instead of laning. So I'd agree (painfully) with Hazmat.
I'm about 90% sure they're just going to tone down his passive and possibly base damage so he goes through the jungler slower but is still pretty safe all things considered.
I have something I've been wondering if people would think about discussing: runes that give you the most bang for your buck, as far as cross-hero usage goes. I understand that there is a lot of personal preference involved depending on play-style, but I figure there must be a few runes that are widely agreed upon to be useful for many different heroes. (ArPen for ranged AD carries, imo; etc)
For example, you're just hitting level 20 where you can acquire Tier 3 runes worth keeping, what should you buy? Naturally, you'd find someone who has refined the art of runes for a specific character and buy those. But that's a pretty decent chunk of IP for one hero worth of runes, what if they're very specific for that champion and have very little crossover value to other champions?
Ex: You get rune X to better hero A's jungling capabilities, but rune X isn't even close to optimal for Champion B, C, D or E.
mp5/lvl yellows. Armor pen or magic pen reds, hp quints, mr/lvl blues is my basic page. Then I have armor yellows for those faggots without mana on another page.
The runes which are will be used the most are: Red: Armor Penetration, Magic Penetration Yellow: mp5/level, Flat Armor Blue: mp5/level, mr/level, CDR Quints: Health, Move Speed, Armor Penetration
CDR isn't all that great, but it's at least decent on any champion. Move Speed is a preference that certain players like to have. Both are kinda pricey though.
Don't forget the Attack Speed reds for certain junglers. A nice rune tier list can be found here.
I like the MS quints, but if you want to play 3v3 at a competitive level, HP quints are the better generic quints if you're constrained by IP and can only buy one set.
On November 21 2010 21:44 barbsq wrote: wat happened to the gtrsrs thread, i was looking forward to making progot the #1
altho, the tapioca thing was a bit too far
a mod said that it was a bunch of people spamming for post count instead of generating useful discussion so he closed it...pretty fair assessment to be honest lol :p
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