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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
November 21 2010 13:16 GMT
#1061
Yeah, I never knew that mod was active in our forums. I am sad.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 21 2010 14:56 GMT
#1062
On November 21 2010 21:44 barbsq wrote:
wat happened to the gtrsrs thread, i was looking forward to making progot the #1

altho, the tapioca thing was a bit too far


I didn't think it was mean spirited... at least I hope it wasn't
it's my first day
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 21 2010 16:02 GMT
#1063
On November 21 2010 12:43 Arckan wrote:
I have something I've been wondering if people would think about discussing: runes that give you the most bang for your buck, as far as cross-hero usage goes. I understand that there is a lot of personal preference involved depending on play-style, but I figure there must be a few runes that are widely agreed upon to be useful for many different heroes. (ArPen for ranged AD carries, imo; etc)

For example, you're just hitting level 20 where you can acquire Tier 3 runes worth keeping, what should you buy? Naturally, you'd find someone who has refined the art of runes for a specific character and buy those. But that's a pretty decent chunk of IP for one hero worth of runes, what if they're very specific for that champion and have very little crossover value to other champions?

Ex: You get rune X to better hero A's jungling capabilities, but rune X isn't even close to optimal for Champion B, C, D or E.

So: What runes have the most crossover value?



Generally you can get away with

Quints: Flat hp works on everyone otherwise any kind of pen

marks: Armor pen or magic pen

seals: mp5 per level (assuming you play mostly mana champs, otherwise hp/lvl)

glyphs: mp5 per level or magic resist per level
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
November 21 2010 16:09 GMT
#1064
On November 22 2010 01:02 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 12:43 Arckan wrote:
I have something I've been wondering if people would think about discussing: runes that give you the most bang for your buck, as far as cross-hero usage goes. I understand that there is a lot of personal preference involved depending on play-style, but I figure there must be a few runes that are widely agreed upon to be useful for many different heroes. (ArPen for ranged AD carries, imo; etc)

For example, you're just hitting level 20 where you can acquire Tier 3 runes worth keeping, what should you buy? Naturally, you'd find someone who has refined the art of runes for a specific character and buy those. But that's a pretty decent chunk of IP for one hero worth of runes, what if they're very specific for that champion and have very little crossover value to other champions?

Ex: You get rune X to better hero A's jungling capabilities, but rune X isn't even close to optimal for Champion B, C, D or E.

So: What runes have the most crossover value?



Generally you can get away with

Quints: Flat hp works on everyone otherwise any kind of pen

marks: Armor pen or magic pen

seals: mp5 per level (assuming you play mostly mana champs, otherwise hp/lvl)

glyphs: mp5 per level or magic resist per level


Another (similar) perspective:

Quintessences (Purple): Flat HP, Movement Speed, ArPen (DPS), MPen (AP)
Marks (Red): Attack Speed (junglers, on-hit champs like Teemo), ArPen (DPS), MPen (AP)
Seals (Yellow): MP5/lvl, Flat Armor (junglers), HP/lvl (Vlad, Kat, Morde, Mundo), E5/lvl (ninjas)
Glyphs (Blue): MP5/lvl, MR/lvl, Flat CDR

Some of these have a more obvious effect than others. I have two movement speed quints, and I've never felt they did anything for me. Flat HP, on the other hand, feels great. I'd say that, for most champions (i.e. have mana, not jungling), the best investments are Flat HP quints, MP5/lvl seals and glyphs, and either apen or mpen marks depending on whether you're AP or AD-based.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 21 2010 16:51 GMT
#1065
new warwick skin
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 21 2010 17:01 GMT
#1066
I should have remembered who was posting this before opening that spoiler
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-21 18:48:01
November 21 2010 18:45 GMT
#1067
a new day, a new home for the favorite champion of TL contest, another chance to
HURT heimer twice
fucking hate that guy's voice

+ Show Spoiler +

Akali - 20
Alistar - 19
Amumu - 20
Anivia - 20
Annie - 20
Ashe - 22
Blitzcrank - 20
Cho'Gath - 21
Corki - 19
Dr. Mundo - 21
Evelynn - 20
Ezreal - 20
Fiddlesticks - 20
Galio - 20
Gangplank - 20
Garen - 21
Gragas - 20
Heimerdinger - 17
Irelia - 20
Janna - 19
Jax - 20
Karthus - 20
Kassadin - 20
Katarina - 20
Kayle - 20
Kennen - 20
Kog'Maw - 20
LeBlanc - 21
Lux - 21
Malphite - 20
Malzahar - 20
Master Yi - 20
Miss Fortune - 20
Mordekaiser - 20
Morgana - 18
Nasus - 20
Nidalee - 20
Nunu - 20
Olaf - 20
Pantheon - 20
Poppy - 20
Rammus - 20
Ryze - 20
Shaco - 20
Shen - 20
Singed - 20
Sion - 20
Sivir - 20
Sona - 20
Soraka - 20
Swain - 20
Taric - 20
Teemo - 18
Tristana - 20
Tryndamere - 20
Twisted Fate - 20
Twitch - 19
Udyr - 21
Urgot - 20
Veigar - 20
Vladimir - 20
Warwick - 20
Xin Zhao - 20
Zilean - 19
TapiocaBall - 7



also, in order to keep this contest going, i now request that you add legitimate discussion to your votes. i'm legitimately surprised ashe is +2 right now, what the fuck. for such a shitty and outshined champion she sure is popular x_x . why would anyone like ashe when MF is in the game?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
November 21 2010 19:17 GMT
#1068
Exactly. MF is better on the boob tier list.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 21 2010 19:29 GMT
#1069
Because Ashe is interesting, MF is... MF.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 21 2010 19:30 GMT
#1070
On November 22 2010 03:45 gtrsrs wrote:
also, in order to keep this contest going, i now request that you add legitimate discussion to your votes. i'm legitimately surprised ashe is +2 right now, what the fuck. for such a shitty and outshined champion she sure is popular x_x . why would anyone like ashe when MF is in the game?

I'm just going to quote Gizmo's response to you from another thread:

On November 11 2010 03:10 Mogwai wrote:
this thread is so depressing...

gtrsrs seems to be stuck on the TL view of Ashe from a year ago and it seems like he's not the only one . Ashe is easily top 5 ranged carries and IMO is tied with twitch for #2 ranged carry atm (corki's #1, sry but you haven't play enough vs. new Corki if you don't believe this yet). Essentially, everyone hits hard enough if they have OK base stats, OK attack animation at high Attack Speeds, and an Infinity Edge and Last Whisper. So then you need to weigh the other abilities out and frankly ECA is the single best ranged carry skill in the game. Doing more damage in great and all, but the combination of AoE Slow, perma Slow and an incredible initiation/counter-initiation global stun/AoE slow nuke is absolutely amazing and unique on a character that can also be your carry. Carries are traditionally very very weak in teams of CC, and having one of the strongest CC skill sets in the game on your ranged carry opens up a whole lot of options for the rest of your team comp.

EDIT: oh yea and from my short experience in DotA, Mages seem to last much longer in terms of dealing good damage in LoL, but they do still taper off towards the end to an extent.

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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
November 21 2010 22:21 GMT
#1071
On November 22 2010 03:45 gtrsrs wrote:
also, in order to keep this contest going, i now request that you add legitimate discussion to your votes. i'm legitimately surprised ashe is +2 right now, what the fuck. for such a shitty and outshined champion she sure is popular x_x . why would anyone like ashe when MF is in the game?



Because of Enchanted Crystal Arrow. In a competitive setting that ultimate can completely win games. Killing someone on their team for free by catching them with an Ashe ult is pretty damn good.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
November 21 2010 22:26 GMT
#1072
Petition to Riot: remove the active part of HSS because people actually think you should use it :/
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 21 2010 23:01 GMT
#1073
Great comeback from a TL 5s today. Unfortunately I don't havethe screenshot, but we had Rugfeeder on #2 best bird solo top, IntoTheWow solo mid as #1 best bird, EDWARIAN jungle Udyr, and Teemo (Ghenxx) Malphite (forgot who T_T) bottom against Leblanc Ashe Olaf Sona Morgana.

Game starts, of course, with their double jungle Olaf/Sona ganking me at level 3. WHAT. Rugfeeder too pro, yo.
Anyways, at about 20 minutes in they win a couple of important teamfights and have total map control for the next ~20 minutes. During this time period they all run bot and push it from river so we run up and ninja Baron, which is enough of a buff for us to take down their rampaging Olaf, though at the cost of three of us.
Anyways, this apparently scares them enough that they stop pushing as hard and we dance around our jungle for a few minutes before one of us catches one of them out of position and we ace them and take down their inhibitor.
Then we straight up lose the next teamfight, though ITW and Ghen survive iirc. They take inhibitor and are starting to kill nexus turrets. Olaf dives ITW, who is so fed that he ALMOST gets the kill through blind, zhonyas, and egg with BOTH nexus turrets shooting him.
Anyways, we kill olaf, then sona, ashe, and morgana (leblanc was farming top) and run straight to their nexus and win as olaf respawns. SO INTENSE.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 21 2010 23:05 GMT
#1074
On November 22 2010 07:26 Kaniol wrote:
Petition to Riot: remove the active part of HSS because people actually think you should use it :/



i find it quite useful when you get cc'ed on ganks with ult which happens a lot

i have gotten a lot of kills using it while rooted or slowed to finish a low hp champ
Brees on in
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
November 21 2010 23:19 GMT
#1075
On November 22 2010 08:01 Tooplark wrote:
Great comeback from a TL 5s today. Unfortunately I don't havethe screenshot, but we had Rugfeeder on #2 best bird solo top, IntoTheWow solo mid as #1 best bird, EDWARIAN jungle Udyr, and Teemo (Ghenxx) Malphite (forgot who T_T) bottom against Leblanc Ashe Olaf Sona Morgana.

Game starts, of course, with their double jungle Olaf/Sona ganking me at level 3. WHAT. Rugfeeder too pro, yo.
Anyways, at about 20 minutes in they win a couple of important teamfights and have total map control for the next ~20 minutes. During this time period they all run bot and push it from river so we run up and ninja Baron, which is enough of a buff for us to take down their rampaging Olaf, though at the cost of three of us.
Anyways, this apparently scares them enough that they stop pushing as hard and we dance around our jungle for a few minutes before one of us catches one of them out of position and we ace them and take down their inhibitor.
Then we straight up lose the next teamfight, though ITW and Ghen survive iirc. They take inhibitor and are starting to kill nexus turrets. Olaf dives ITW, who is so fed that he ALMOST gets the kill through blind, zhonyas, and egg with BOTH nexus turrets shooting him.
Anyways, we kill olaf, then sona, ashe, and morgana (leblanc was farming top) and run straight to their nexus and win as olaf respawns. SO INTENSE.

gg =p.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-21 23:55:47
November 21 2010 23:40 GMT
#1076
SEE I TOLD YOU DARTHTHIENAN WAS FROM TL!

yeah your olaf was good but a little too brave
and your sona had an awful build.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Daxunyrr
Profile Joined August 2010
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 03:34:23
November 22 2010 03:34 GMT
#1077
[image loading]


Gotta admit. Im laughing at this.
Stop bitching bout people who suck and teach em how to play.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
November 22 2010 04:13 GMT
#1078
you guys are on youtube!



9:15
Whaaaa?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 22 2010 04:25 GMT
#1079
So proud of tl <3
Sad they didn't show caller's build, 100% sure it was brave lux.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
November 22 2010 04:56 GMT
#1080
On November 22 2010 08:40 Tooplark wrote:
SEE I TOLD YOU DARTHTHIENAN WAS FROM TL!

yeah your olaf was good but a little too brave
and your sona had an awful build.

haha. We noticed you guys were TL too, thought we said stuff in the beginning that made it apparent, but whatevs .

That last dive was silly =[.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
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