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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 22:51:06
November 15 2010 22:26 GMT
#701
super awful builds on the opposing team also helped. That pantheon build is offensively bad to me, haha.
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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 15 2010 22:46 GMT
#702
On November 16 2010 06:50 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
we banned jazriel

yep, so now I gotta deal with his bullshit over on smashboards QQ.


I just read that whole thing and good fucking god. It's as though what he learned from being an asshole on TL was "I guess I need to be even more of an arrogant little shit to people".
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 15 2010 22:52 GMT
#703
Yo, Utah and crew, are we getting the band back together to do that newegg tourney?
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 15 2010 22:58 GMT
#704
On November 16 2010 07:18 Mogwai wrote:
against pirate and pantheon? good fucking luck.

stealth would be semi annoying until pirate backed to buy oracles or a ward.


I think it might. Pantheon doesn't have the mana to get through about 2300HP in a duo lane without going OOM.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 15 2010 22:59 GMT
#705
pirate runs up and whacks you... nice regen :p
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 15 2010 23:01 GMT
#706
On November 16 2010 07:59 Mogwai wrote:
pirate runs up and whacks you... nice regen :p


Zzz, but if panth gonna be spamming aegis he runs oom even faster yo ;(
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 23:16:17
November 15 2010 23:14 GMT
#707
Health potion regen won't mean shit when you're sitting at your tower watching your creep wave push the other direction, it doesn't matter if you had infinite health potions, you're going to be a 1v2 without level advantage, which is impossible to win.

The only way to 'win' that is for your jungler to come give very fast assistance, so then you have to have a jungler that can viably do a lvl 2/3 gank, with health(the with health part eliminates almost everyone, you're left with like rammus/udyr/ww, or a quick Shaco gank, but Shaco is squishy and might actually get it turned around on him quick depending on who the 1v2 laner is).

Edit: In truth if I were faced with that situation, I'd bring a 2nd person top to even out the lane, and accept that we are now giving up our jungler=free dragon advantage(you won't just start losing dragons though because they have no jungler, it just means you will have to fight for them a lot more than if you were only worried about their 'roaming').
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
November 15 2010 23:18 GMT
#708
Hahaha now I see what you were talking about Neo.

GP + Panth revolutionize the solo top meta game! Lol. Seriously this would be pretty killer to implement in a game successfully. The only way I think he would survive would be if he had a really strong and fast jungler who could come top and win a 2v2 easy.
Retvrn to Forvms
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
November 15 2010 23:19 GMT
#709
On November 16 2010 08:18 Chrispy wrote:
Hahaha now I see what you were talking about Neo.

GP + Panth revolutionize the solo top meta game! Lol. Seriously this would be pretty killer to implement in a game successfully. The only way I think he would survive would be if he had a really strong and fast jungler who could come top and win a 2v2 easy.


Shaco with red pot!
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
November 15 2010 23:20 GMT
#710
On November 16 2010 06:40 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:36 Ruken wrote:
I still say Nasus is the strongest 1v2 if it comes down to it. It's not optimal but I really don't think you can deny him that hard. Would love to test vs 2 good panth/plank players.

I really don't think you would, LOL.

I dunno, maybe Chrispy and I can give you a 1 way ticket to the pain cave if you really want, but goddamn dude, it's not gonna be pretty.

I believe I've never faced players good enough. I think I can do it but I also kind of want to see how badly I can get my top solo pushed in lol.

The only combo that's ever given me problems before was sona/poppy because it's an insane diving lane.
MIK Terran
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 15 2010 23:21 GMT
#711
On November 16 2010 08:18 Chrispy wrote:
Hahaha now I see what you were talking about Neo.

GP + Panth revolutionize the solo top meta game! Lol. Seriously this would be pretty killer to implement in a game successfully. The only way I think he would survive would be if he had a really strong and fast jungler who could come top and win a 2v2 easy.


Team comp would be Panth + GP, DPS mid, tank + healbot bot. Wards are an absolute must in order to keep the enemy jungler at bay. I think having at least 1 CV and Teleport would help. Giving up buffs was be ok, but not Dragon.

Anything else that needs to be taken into consideration? I'd really like to try this out, haha.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 15 2010 23:24 GMT
#712
On November 16 2010 08:14 red_ wrote:
Health potion regen won't mean shit when you're sitting at your tower watching your creep wave push the other direction, it doesn't matter if you had infinite health potions, you're going to be a 1v2 without level advantage, which is impossible to win.

The only way to 'win' that is for your jungler to come give very fast assistance, so then you have to have a jungler that can viably do a lvl 2/3 gank, with health(the with health part eliminates almost everyone, you're left with like rammus/udyr/ww, or a quick Shaco gank, but Shaco is squishy and might actually get it turned around on him quick depending on who the 1v2 laner is).

Edit: In truth if I were faced with that situation, I'd bring a 2nd person top to even out the lane, and accept that we are now giving up our jungler=free dragon advantage(you won't just start losing dragons though because they have no jungler, it just means you will have to fight for them a lot more than if you were only worried about their 'roaming').


Try fighting a 7health potion kennen or kassadin with panth + GP and see what kind of results you get.

Note: I'm not 100% sure, but I doubt it's going to be 100% deny Smash is expecting.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 15 2010 23:25 GMT
#713
Are there possible replacements for Pantheon? GP isn't a popular hero, but unless you first or second pick Panth there's a chance he could be taken.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-15 23:47:53
November 15 2010 23:29 GMT
#714
ok, so Utah's hella busy and doesn't wanna organize anything for the newegg tourney but I wanna get a legit team together and see what we can do. Here's the link to the tournament: http://wanfest.newegg.com/?page=tournament&tournamentid=2747

We're allowed 2 alts, so a team of 7. High elo guys (Loci, Yiruru, Spud, Aaerox, EzPz, Chrispy? need a team, want in?) looking for a team, hit me up through PM and I'll send you our team password to get in. Neo or anyone else from our skype chat, be a bro and post this in the Skype chat so that we can have as much as the standard crew involved as are interested. I would do it myself but this is a late night of work and won't be around until pretty damn late and I want people to hop on this ASAP since signups close tonight.

The team I've created is TeamLiquid and as I said, PM me for the team password. The signup process is pretty straight forward and only takes a minute or two, so don't be lazy guys. We totally got this, CLG and L0CUST ain't shit, let's bring it home for TL.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 15 2010 23:30 GMT
#715
On November 16 2010 08:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 08:14 red_ wrote:
Health potion regen won't mean shit when you're sitting at your tower watching your creep wave push the other direction, it doesn't matter if you had infinite health potions, you're going to be a 1v2 without level advantage, which is impossible to win.

The only way to 'win' that is for your jungler to come give very fast assistance, so then you have to have a jungler that can viably do a lvl 2/3 gank, with health(the with health part eliminates almost everyone, you're left with like rammus/udyr/ww, or a quick Shaco gank, but Shaco is squishy and might actually get it turned around on him quick depending on who the 1v2 laner is).

Edit: In truth if I were faced with that situation, I'd bring a 2nd person top to even out the lane, and accept that we are now giving up our jungler=free dragon advantage(you won't just start losing dragons though because they have no jungler, it just means you will have to fight for them a lot more than if you were only worried about their 'roaming').


Try fighting a 7health potion kennen or kassadin with panth + GP and see what kind of results you get.

Note: I'm not 100% sure, but I doubt it's going to be 100% deny Smash is expecting.


Kass will get destroyed by bush control, Kennen is going to have to decide between last hitting or attempting to harass the panth back with his skillshot, not both. Those are both champs that LOVE having level advantage+farm too, so even if they 'survive' their whole game is a fucked. A Kennen coming out of lane with like, a rejuv bead+boots1+blasting wand isn't doing anything for his team.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 15 2010 23:31 GMT
#716
On November 16 2010 08:25 Niton wrote:
Are there possible replacements for Pantheon? GP isn't a popular hero, but unless you first or second pick Panth there's a chance he could be taken.

Sion works in it fine too IMO, XIn too. Just needs to be someone really mean and abusive, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 15 2010 23:31 GMT
#717
On November 16 2010 08:25 Niton wrote:
Are there possible replacements for Pantheon? GP isn't a popular hero, but unless you first or second pick Panth there's a chance he could be taken.


Any champion with a strong stun/nuke would work. Kass or Sion could sub in.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 15 2010 23:36 GMT
#718
On November 16 2010 08:29 Mogwai wrote:
ok, so Utah's hella busy and doesn't wanna organize anything for the newegg tourney but I wanna get a legit team together and see what we can do. Here's the link to the tournament: http://wanfest.newegg.com/?page=tournament&tournamentid=2747

We're allowed 2 alts, so a team of 7. High elo guys (Loci, Yiruru, Spud, Aaerox, Chrispy? need a team, want in?) looking for a team, hit me up through PM and I'll send you our team password to get in. Neo or anyone else from our skype chat, be a bro and post this in the Skype chat so that we can have as much as the standard crew involved as are interested. I would do it myself but this is a late night of work and won't be around until pretty damn late and I want people to hop on this ASAP since signups close tonight.

The team I've created is TeamLiquid and as I said, PM me for the team password. The signup process is pretty straight forward and only takes a minute or two, so don't be lazy guys. We totally got this, CLG and L0CUST ain't shit, let's bring it home for TL.


LoCi is CLG, despite not being on the roster. I'll forward this to him if I see him on tonight.

Uta and red are talking about it on Skype atm.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
November 15 2010 23:40 GMT
#719
[18:00:00] nightseternal: i'm fine with it, but the timing is horrible for me so i'm definitely not going to be proactive in organizing it
[18:00:05] nightseternal: and if people want to set up a team without me by all means
[18:00:14] nightseternal: because i'm stressed out of my mind with all the work/projects going on
[18:00:26] nightseternal: and i can tell it's leading to decreased patience in LoL games
[18:00:33] nightseternal: hence me raging in basically every normal/IH game for the pastmonth
[18:33:30] nightseternal: if you guys need a 7th or something i'll tag along
[18:33:32] nightseternal: else i'll defer
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 15 2010 23:52 GMT
#720
aight, well, we'd love to have you, but if you wanna wait until like 10:30 to see if TL can get a full 7 man together without needing to add anything to your plate that's cool. I've given Neo the password to pass around to our Skype chat, so do what you gotta do.
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