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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 17:45:28
January 30 2011 17:44 GMT
#5501
I like the doran nerfs, more diversity like you said, on the other hand.. im not sure how the balance will be now for champs that really relied on doran + early potions to even do decent in early laning phase.

Hmm
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
January 30 2011 17:47 GMT
#5502
Cloth 5pot may become my Shen standard, and I'll probably be forced to drop a point in feint early.
it's my first day
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 17:48:03
January 30 2011 17:47 GMT
#5503
On January 31 2011 02:42 spinesheath wrote:
Faerie Charm is the "thing before mana manip"

You forgot:
#14 Regrowth Pendant + ___
#15 Vampiric Scepter
#16 Oracle's + ___
#17 only wards/pots, plenty of epic combinations possible here.


Wow, you're right. I forgot regrowth and vamp. Oracles, hmmm debatable.

Only wards and pots, or just pots is another option that's really good.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 30 2011 17:51 GMT
#5504
Regen Bead, Faerie Charm + pot builds into Tiamat!
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
January 30 2011 17:56 GMT
#5505
I too am looking forward to more early game diversity, and I'm hoping base MP5 is increased enough to make up for nerfs elsewhere.
Zero fighting.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
January 30 2011 17:57 GMT
#5506
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woo inhouse
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 30 2011 18:18 GMT
#5507
caller with most creeps by 60? WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3309 Posts
January 30 2011 18:42 GMT
#5508
On January 31 2011 02:37 0123456789 wrote:
Let's talk about possible new openings with the new patch.
#1 Cloth Armour + ___
#2 Boots + ___
#3 Ruby Crystal
#4 Sapphire Crystal + ___
#5 Dorans Ring, Shield, Sword
#6 Regen Bead + ___
#7 Faerie Charm + ___
#8 Meki's pendant + ___
#9 Long Sword/Amplifying Tome/Atk speed sword + ___
#10 Brawler's gloves + ___
#11 Mana Manipulator
#12 Elixirs + ___
#13 Null Mantle + ___
#14 Regrowth Pendant + ___
#15 Vampiric Scepter
#16 Oracle's + ___
#17 only wards/pots, plenty of epic combinations possible here

Wow, tons of new openings. Grats Riot, you created early game diversity.


arent those the sa... oh i see what u did there
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
January 30 2011 19:35 GMT
#5509
go into game (me on xin, wala on kass, friends on annie, rammus, panth), mid vs ryze

get 3 kills on ryze

remember beginning of game where entire team announced bravery

decide its time to be brave yourself

get 20 stacks, dive their pool, get q'd by lux and die then win

#1
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 19:35:27
January 30 2011 19:35 GMT
#5510
On January 30 2011 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:
uhhhhhh
i'm p sure melee champs need the armor/health even more than ranged champs do seeing as they have to close the gap before they can kill a creep

with nerfs to vet scars and HP quints too i really really doubt boots first is gonna be viable on nearly anyone, regrowth or meki are gonna pretty niche cases too imo


i dont' agree at all, ranged champs can use the bonuses from dorans shield more because they have the option of basically only engaging in harass

whereas melee champions are potentially committing to a fight when they go in to hit a creep, they absolutely cannot live without potions
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 20:14:19
January 30 2011 20:14 GMT
#5511
Looks to me like catalyst rush with a mana crystal opening just got a lot stronger.

I mean now you get 300 more HP (with 2 pots) than you will with doran's ring (just the 100 flat). The AP is nice and all but I don't think it's worth 300 HP early on and a faster catalyst.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 30 2011 20:17 GMT
#5512
On January 31 2011 05:14 phyvo wrote:
Looks to me like catalyst rush with a mana crystal opening just got a lot stronger.

I mean now you get 300 more HP (with 2 pots) than you will with doran's ring (just the 100 flat). The AP is nice and all but I don't think it's worth 300 HP early on and a faster catalyst.

This was my impression as well.

The biggest deterrent for blue crystal->fast cata imo was always that its weaker than Doran starts until you finish cata. Now that that's no longer necessarily the case, I think I'll be starting blue crystal on a few more champs.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 20:43:39
January 30 2011 20:41 GMT
#5513
[image loading]
ad soraka cool; hard to against
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
January 30 2011 22:29 GMT
#5514
I failed horribly trying to ad soraka earlier today t.t
washed
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
January 30 2011 23:26 GMT
#5515
Why even have doran's items in the game btw? Seems like 95% of ppl go for them and then all the other possible openings tend to be ignored. They're so efficient that by the item the slot is needed for something else it has already easily paid off.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
January 30 2011 23:45 GMT
#5516
[image loading]
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 31 2011 00:28 GMT
#5517
On January 31 2011 08:26 Slayer91 wrote:
Why even have doran's items in the game btw? Seems like 95% of ppl go for them and then all the other possible openings tend to be ignored. They're so efficient that by the item the slot is needed for something else it has already easily paid off.

Personally I think having starter items is totally acceptable--DotA has them in the form of gg branches and magic stick/wand. The thing about Doran's items is that it takes you significantly longer until you need the slot for something else.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 00:36:31
January 31 2011 00:29 GMT
#5518
Exactly, so they're almost a no brainer and leads to little diversity. Why is that good? Why not give everyone an extra base 100 hp and be done with it?

On another note why are there so many ridiculous must-haves in utility like greed the +XP and the mana and utility master while also having intelligence and quickness which are really solid, while offensive is mostly useless except for some AD classes, and like almost everyone just gets into defensive for strength of spirit except junglers.
EnrageD
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada230 Posts
January 31 2011 00:31 GMT
#5519
whats with the Tooplark screenshots?
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 00:39:34
January 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#5520
But there's some point where the tradeoffs between a Doran's item and part of a big item will be fairly even. Right now, EVERYONE opens doran's because the benefits of doing so overwhelmingly outweigh the disadvantages.
the screenshots are today's collection of games, of varying levels of srs.
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