Patch preview is up. Increased cost on Doran's items, nerfs to health quints and mana regen runes. From the way they described it, it sounds like they're nerfing Meditation and mana regen runes and bumping base hero mana regen but it was a little hard to tell.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

January 30 2011 08:19 GMT

#5482

Lawl Strength of Singed mastery. So true.

Ruken

United States858 Posts

January 30 2011 08:33 GMT

#5483

I can almost guarantee this is going to screw over Nasus' solo laning ability. He needs a crapload of mana and health regen to farm effectively.

Ruken

United States858 Posts

January 30 2011 08:36 GMT

#5484

Although the Doran nerf and SoS nerf is interesting because sometimes in lane you'd be like "ok that dude has a dorans shield don't harass him, it's pointless, go for the lux instead."

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

January 30 2011 09:00 GMT

#5485

i was thinking exactly the change they made to doran's items

tbh im surprised they're increasing base regen or something as well, i don't like that mana is a wasted stat on most heroes and on the rest wasted past the first item you get it on

bar a very few exceptions (anivia)

Odds

Canada1188 Posts

January 30 2011 09:23 GMT

#5486

Finally I won't get laughed at for my hp/5 quints

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

January 30 2011 09:28 GMT

#5487

doran's shield now the only acceptable item to open with on any champ

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

January 30 2011 10:08 GMT

#5488

we were talking about it earlier in liquidparty and i think it breaks down this way

- ranged: doran's shield
- all other: meki, boots, regrowth pendant or bead

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

January 30 2011 10:11 GMT

#5489

uhhhhhh
i'm p sure melee champs need the armor/health even more than ranged champs do seeing as they have to close the gap before they can kill a creep

with nerfs to vet scars and HP quints too i really really doubt boots first is gonna be viable on nearly anyone, regrowth or meki are gonna pretty niche cases too imo

Zanzabar Haberdasher

United States510 Posts

January 30 2011 10:26 GMT

#5490

On January 30 2011 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:
uhhhhhh
i'm p sure melee champs need the armor/health even more than ranged champs do seeing as they have to close the gap before they can kill a creep

with nerfs to vet scars and HP quints too i really really doubt boots first is gonna be viable on nearly anyone but Garen, regrowth or meki are gonna pretty niche cases too imo

Fixed that for you.

On topic: I'll still stand by doran's shield on most characters.. depending on how hard my mana runes are hit, I may have to make break down and start with the meki opening I hate so much. The other option being to build Soul Shroud as my first item on everyone, which I will look in to.

locodoco

Korea (South)1615 Posts

January 30 2011 10:48 GMT

#5491

anal beads + health pots + mana pots gonna be the new standard :D

SHr3DD3r

Pakistan2137 Posts

January 30 2011 11:00 GMT

#5492

On January 30 2011 19:48 locodoco wrote:
anal beads + health pots + mana pots gonna be the new standard :D

LOL

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

January 30 2011 12:52 GMT

#5493

On January 30 2011 17:33 Ruken wrote:
I can almost guarantee this is going to screw over Nasus' solo laning ability. He needs a crapload of mana and health regen to farm effectively.

Mana isn't going to be an issue. Phreak specifically stated that if you continue to use mana regen masteries/runes you won't notice much of a difference and that they were simply bringing level 1 summoners more in line with level 30 summoners.

Health, on the other hand, could be more of a problem for any laning melee champ. Maybe if we're lucky though you can trade regen seals for flat armor seals...

On January 30 2011 18:23 Odds wrote:
Finally I won't get laughed at for my hp/5 quints

Hp/5 quints were boss before and they're only more boss now. I guess my troll page isn't quite so troll anymore...

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

January 30 2011 13:35 GMT

#5494

More importantly this means that the mana users who I don't use MP5 runes on will have more mana regen than before with the same runepage. Especially thinking about Janna, Sona (though I still don't think she's worth playing right now), Poppy, Blitz.

I think the Doran's and SoS change will make Teleport even more attractive. Since you don't really have to worry about early dragon fights that much anymore you can use it for a quick shop at ~4 minutes, making you much safer against most ganks.

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

January 30 2011 14:29 GMT

#5495

I strongly dislike the idea of nerfing veteran's scars, i used it only on melee champs that had problems in lane :<

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

January 30 2011 14:54 GMT

#5496

oh man time to MUNDO even harder!
hp5 runes new FotM? I hope they don't nerf Rammus too hard. He's tons of fun to play. Maybe just "no flash while powerballing"?

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

January 30 2011 15:30 GMT

#5497

speaking of rammus...

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

January 30 2011 15:37 GMT

#5498

I like how their janna is the one who got the kill.

0123456789

United States3216 Posts

January 30 2011 17:37 GMT

#5499

Let's talk about possible new openings with the new patch.
#1 Cloth Armour + ___
#2 Boots + ___
#3 Ruby Crystal
#4 Sapphire Crystal + ___
#5 Dorans Ring, Shield, Sword
#6 Regen Bead + ___
#7 Faerie Charm + ___
#8 Meki's pendant + ___
#9 Long Sword/Amplifying Tome/Atk speed sword + ___
#10 Brawler's gloves + ___
#11 Mana Manipulator
#12 Elixirs + ___
#13 Null Mantle + ___
#14 Regrowth Pendant + ___
#15 Vampiric Scepter
#16 Oracle's + ___
#17 only wards/pots, plenty of epic combinations possible here

Wow, tons of new openings. Grats Riot, you created early game diversity.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

January 30 2011 17:42 GMT

#5500

Faerie Charm is the "thing before mana manip"

You forgot:
#14 Regrowth Pendant + ___
#15 Vampiric Scepter
#16 Oracle's + ___
#17 only wards/pots, plenty of epic combinations possible here.