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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 28 2011 21:53 GMT
#5421
Yet another part of Riot's "lets make the early game less passive" initiative without them elaborating what part they think is too passive.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 28 2011 21:53 GMT
#5422
But manamune shaco is soooo good guys. Like seriously! LOOK AT ALL THE MANA HE HAS.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 22:06:09
January 28 2011 22:02 GMT
#5423
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=477643

My thread on the lol forums trying to get riot to put a EULA containing the patch notes so you have to read it before you can play a ranked game after the patches. Just my idea on how to get people to read the notes before they ruin ranked games for a week.

And judging from a post by reep where he said that the change meant that everyone, and not just level 30's would benefit from the change, im guessing that my guess was right: Runes nerfed, base regen increased.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 28 2011 22:42 GMT
#5424
It's about time MP5/lvl runes get nerfed. They are overpowered, and you know it.
I wouldn't really mind if they just nerfed them and then left it at that, watching how everyone is doing with less mana regen. When problems occur, fix them (bring Locket back lol).

The nerf isn't that big anyways. Remember that you have like 5 base MP5, bonus MP5 per level, and 5 MP5 from Meditation. 4 MP5 from Doran's ring is common on many champs as well. MP5 also is most important during the laning phase. Once teamfights occur, the value of flat mana goes up.

Most casters can't complain; they just got a ridiculously overpowered hat, they can just pour some money into MP5 and still end up with insane AP.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
January 28 2011 23:02 GMT
#5425
On January 29 2011 07:42 spinesheath wrote:
It's about time MP5/lvl runes get nerfed. They are overpowered, and you know it.
I wouldn't really mind if they just nerfed them and then left it at that, watching how everyone is doing with less mana regen. When problems occur, fix them (bring Locket back lol).

The nerf isn't that big anyways. Remember that you have like 5 base MP5, bonus MP5 per level, and 5 MP5 from Meditation. 4 MP5 from Doran's ring is common on many champs as well. MP5 also is most important during the laning phase. Once teamfights occur, the value of flat mana goes up.

Most casters can't complain; they just got a ridiculously overpowered hat, they can just pour some money into MP5 and still end up with insane AP.



its more about non mana users that were already really strong/balanced being a lot harder to deal with now. who can keep up with vlad/kennen/shen etc top now?
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 28 2011 23:04 GMT
#5426
I look at it a different way. MP5 runes were op because they NEEDED to be: play someone like lux with real mana costs: you go oom fast. And with base MP5 being fairly shitty, you need the runes to compensate for that. If they buff base mp5 I have no problems with the nerf: no one ever complained about having more choices. However, some casters and dps characters depend on mp5/lvl, and a straight up nerf would destroy them.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 23:28:17
January 28 2011 23:19 GMT
#5427
On January 29 2011 07:42 spinesheath wrote:
Most casters can't complain; they just got a ridiculously overpowered hat, they can just pour some money into MP5 and still end up with insane AP.

Alternatively, casters that got Catalyst/Tear still do, and have infinite mana in lane either way.

I think this will have more effect on the non-caster champs that used mp5pl runes to buffer their mana pools without having to buy mana regen items. Because most casters at least consider some mana regen items in their build. And a large chunk of them do end up getting Cata or Tear, which give you a ton of mana to work with regardless of how you rune. It'll suck for a few edge cases like Sion and Lux, and make it harder for people to skimp on early regen by skipping Cata/Tear, but for the most part, I don't think this nerf hits casters that hard.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 28 2011 23:27 GMT
#5428
[image loading]

AD nid so good. She apparently was shit talking her team. I rocked their annie mid then she switched and rocked her. lolol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 28 2011 23:29 GMT
#5429
0/15/15 with just mp5/level yellows (and d-ring) allows me to Q the opposing champ constantly as malphite. literally every single time it's on cooldown i press Q and take 1/5 of their health and the mana is back by the time the cd is done.

that is not fair

with the nerf i am going to have to press Q like 2 seconds after it's available now if i want to keep full mana :C
what the fuck is this bullshit i have to actually manage my mana? nuuuuuu

vlad nerf is incoming anyways, some red post on the forums (guinsoo?) said vlad is imba and not fun to lane against

kennen nerf might follow these mana regen rune nerfs to compensate for how strong he will be

if you're running out of mana as lux you're spamming too much or using your skills on creeps, neither is necessary, lrn2lasthit

shen numba wan solo top now? count on it. or not. renekton :ohnoes:

i don't see this nerf helping push the game to a "less passive" style of play but i approve of it anyways
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 23:37:42
January 28 2011 23:34 GMT
#5430
On January 29 2011 08:29 gtrsrs wrote:
0/15/15 with just mp5/level yellows (and d-ring) allows me to Q the opposing champ constantly as malphite. literally every single time it's on cooldown i press Q and take 1/5 of their health and the mana is back by the time the cd is done.

that is not fair

with the nerf i am going to have to press Q like 2 seconds after it's available now if i want to keep full mana :C
what the fuck is this bullshit i have to actually manage my mana? nuuuuuu

Isn't Catalyst a reasonable early option on Malphite anyways?

On January 29 2011 08:29 gtrsrs wrote:
vlad nerf is incoming anyways, some red post on the forums (guinsoo?) said vlad is imba and not fun to lane against

It was Morello, I think, saying something along the lines of "I though Vlad was a bitch from the very beginning, but I was afraid of nerfing him too hard because I was biased--but since everyone's been QQing about him, I figured it's ok to hit him with the nerf-bat again."
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 28 2011 23:37 GMT
#5431
Let's be honest. Vlad sucks. And when he's lvl 9 he sucks even more
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 28 2011 23:42 GMT
#5432
On January 29 2011 08:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2011 08:29 gtrsrs wrote:
0/15/15 with just mp5/level yellows (and d-ring) allows me to Q the opposing champ constantly as malphite. literally every single time it's on cooldown i press Q and take 1/5 of their health and the mana is back by the time the cd is done.

that is not fair

with the nerf i am going to have to press Q like 2 seconds after it's available now if i want to keep full mana :C
what the fuck is this bullshit i have to actually manage my mana? nuuuuuu

Isn't Catalyst a reasonable early option on Malphite anyways?

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2011 08:29 gtrsrs wrote:
vlad nerf is incoming anyways, some red post on the forums (guinsoo?) said vlad is imba and not fun to lane against

It was Morello, I think, saying something along the lines of "I though Vlad was a bitch from the very beginning, but I was afraid of nerfing him too hard because I was biased--but since everyone's been QQing about him, I figured it's ok to hit him with the nerf-bat again."


i have literally never opened cata on malphite, if i'm struggling in lane i just get more d-rings til i'm not struggling any more. when it reaches the point where i can immediately kill my lane opponent when my ult is up, i start building tank. but i played against a cata malph today as mf and when my jungle came to gank we got malph down to like 40 health and then he leveled up from creeps dying and got away and i was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU but we ended up winning so it was aiight

and yes i believe you are right, it was morello and yes that is what he said
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Logrus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States228 Posts
January 28 2011 23:47 GMT
#5433
On January 29 2011 08:37 Kaniol wrote:
Let's be honest. Vlad sucks. And when he's lvl 9 he sucks even more

I think what you mean is that Vlad is an asshole
maybe not as big as Sion
still an asshole
"Down, down into the pile, into the great slag heap, window onto the ends of time and space, where nothing is to be seen at the end, I went, between walls forever afire, never burnt down..." -Merlin, Prince of Chaos
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 28 2011 23:55 GMT
#5434
On January 29 2011 08:47 Logrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2011 08:37 Kaniol wrote:
Let's be honest. Vlad sucks. And when he's lvl 9 he sucks even more

I think what you mean is that Vlad is an asshole
maybe not as big as Sion
still an asshole

No, Sion blows. Vlad sucks (i think Trist blows more thank Sion though). If you want solid champ, pick malphite
Logrus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States228 Posts
January 29 2011 00:19 GMT
#5435
[spoiler]On January 29 2011 08:55 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2011 08:47 Logrus wrote:
On January 29 2011 08:37 Kaniol wrote:
Let's be honest. Vlad sucks. And when he's lvl 9 he sucks even more

I think what you mean is that Vlad is an asshole
maybe not as big as Sion
still an asshole

No, Sion blows. Vlad sucks (i think Trist blows more thank Sion though). If you want solid champ, pick malphite

i c wat u did ther
"Down, down into the pile, into the great slag heap, window onto the ends of time and space, where nothing is to be seen at the end, I went, between walls forever afire, never burnt down..." -Merlin, Prince of Chaos
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 29 2011 01:34 GMT
#5436
Just don't take him for granite when you pick him.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 29 2011 01:50 GMT
#5437
Karma skill/screenshot preview is up. The screenshots are practically worthless for understanding how any of her skills work.

She's going to be weird. The logical conclusion seems to be that her QWE will have 6 ranks since her Ult is free and doesn't level.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
January 29 2011 01:51 GMT
#5438
Wait what?!
FREE ULTI AT LV1!!!
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 29 2011 02:01 GMT
#5439
On January 29 2011 10:50 Seuss wrote:
Karma skill/screenshot preview is up. The screenshots are practically worthless for understanding how any of her skills work.

She's going to be weird. The logical conclusion seems to be that her QWE will have 6 ranks since her Ult is free and doesn't level.


It doesn't say her ult doesn't level. It says it's available at level 1 without a skill point. She could still have 3 more ult levels.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2011 02:08 GMT
#5440
Can Phrost explain how she works without being put at risk of riot calling in the ghostbusters to stop him from haunting the ptr servers?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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