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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 29 2010 21:03 GMT
#3081
People realized that her ultimate is broken as fuck and abused it by building her AD. Simple as that.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 29 2010 21:13 GMT
#3082
On December 30 2010 05:55 BlackPaladin wrote:
Her "buff" was a while ago, not sure exactly which patch. But her ult was changed to where it auto healed her the health instead of you needing to activate it to heal her and give her the movespeed + aspeed. With the autoheal in place, now activating her ult only gives you the movespeed + aspeed it really changed her and helped her a LOT imo. You can do retarded shit in teamfights like go instagib someone. Everyone tries nuking you down, but the moment someone dies you heal instantly and can just continue the process. I know I've tanked soooo much crap as eve because of that as it's like giving her 4k hp with her natural hp + items + healing from kills/assists.


Run into a team fight with 1/4 hp, unstealth, spam hate spike on 2-4 champions. Run away with ulti + ghost. Rack up 2 assists. Go back into team fight with 2/3 hp.

Good times. Eve #1
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 29 2010 21:17 GMT
#3083
Ok, it was 2 months back, but here:

+ Show Spoiler +
Evelynn

* Determined Killer (passive) tooltip clarified to explain it does not work on neutral minions.
* Shadow Walk
* Fixed a bug with Shadow Walk where you could stun towers
* Fixed a bug with Shadow Walk where autoattacking would break stealth even if the attack was canceled
* Ravage no longer has back facing requirement in order to gain the extra effect
* Malice and Spite lifegain changed to a flat 350/500/650 upon kill or assist
* Malice and Spite's active now has a 90 second cooldown and refreshes whenever an enemy champion dies
* Stats
o Base health increased to 500 from 475
o Health per level increased from 86 to 76
o Mana regen per level increased to 0.4 from 0.25
o Base mana regen increased to 5 from 3.85.
* Additional note: these changes do not represent the final remake on Evelynn. These are simple usability fixes for her current design.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 29 2010 21:22 GMT
#3084
lolz @ "these changes do not represent the final remake on Evelynn"

Imagine if they planned on buffing Eve more.

Those buffs were mostly stats though. Made her less squishy of a caster. What was the old ultimate? I remember Eve always healing a ton whenever an enemy champion died. o.O
Old Ravage was stupid. I really dislike the positioning bonuses.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 21:24:11
December 29 2010 21:22 GMT
#3085
The healing is basically unchanged, before the change you would just spam R during teamfights instead of having it done automatically. The important part is that you now get those stereoids as a separate ability, which allows you to use it BEFORE someone died. It also refreshes after 90 sec without any kills now, which allows you to use it in situations where there hasn't been a kill for a while.

And no, her ultimate is not broken as fuck. Look at Master Yi, he doesn't get the healing, but he gets his abilities back on kill which means another Wuju (stereoids) and Alpha (deaggro, jump). That's pretty similar in strength imo.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 29 2010 21:26 GMT
#3086
There's just so much synergy with her ulti + Wiggles (for jungling) and ulti + Sheen (for mowing down towers). boom boom pow.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 29 2010 21:33 GMT
#3087
I disagree. If Yi had her ultimate he'd be unstoppable once he got a kill. +650 health is RETARDED amount of instaheal. Before, if I recall, it used to be healing over time similar to Mundo's?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 21:37:08
December 29 2010 21:34 GMT
#3088
On December 30 2010 06:26 NeoIllusions wrote:
There's just so much synergy with her ulti + Wiggles (for jungling) and ulti + Sheen (for mowing down towers). boom boom pow.

What's the connection between Sheen and her ulti??? You deal either physical damage or some AP based damage, depending on which is higher. Usually that would be physical damage on Eve, so the Sheen AP doesnt matter. Sheen only procs once per 2 seconds. Doesn't scale with ASpd or MSpd you know. And the Sheen Mana doesn't do much against towers either.

Her ulti is great for killing towers, sure, but Sheen only matters because you can spam Q.

On December 30 2010 06:33 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I disagree. If Yi had her ultimate he'd be unstoppable once he got a kill. +650 health is RETARDED amount of instaheal. Before, if I recall, it used to be healing over time similar to Mundo's?


Afaik it was a flat, instant heal for 25% of the HP of the champ that died. 650 * 4 = 2600, which is a bit higher than a typical lvl 16 squishy, but probably a bit lower than a lvl 16 tank.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 29 2010 21:51 GMT
#3089
in the comparison to master yi and eve's ults, i think its more important to look at the difference in cc. yi and eve i'd imagine can kill the same hero in similar times with ult popping, its that built in 2 second stun that royally fucks someone over imo. Tbh, even if you turned it around and swapped ultimates, i still think eve would be kicking ass in the same way because she has a steroid spell that can kill some1 in the 2 seconds that they are stunned (tho the heal is certainly pretty damn strong).

on the other hand, yi is like 90% reliant on some1 else cc'ing the target. Not to mention the fact that eve has a better built in 'vulturing' mechanism (stealth), so can therefore be more reliably in a better position.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
December 29 2010 22:03 GMT
#3090
i keep seeing 1/14/15 being listed as something of a standard for jungling but i have never seen the actual tree. That and i've never jungled before besides when playing fiddle so i don't know anything about jungling.

Can someone list out the 1/14/15 masteries for me? Any tips on runes (for Eve) would be welcome too.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 29 2010 22:09 GMT
#3091
You take all points in SoS, Defensive Mastery and Harden Skin, then Good Hands, imp. ghost, experience, buff mastery, meditation, greed and a point in movespeed. You can move around meditation/movespeed/greed if you want.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
December 29 2010 22:12 GMT
#3092
Thank you very much ^.^
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
December 29 2010 22:19 GMT
#3093
On December 30 2010 05:14 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously nobody cares about EU because the top player there MIGHT MAYBE make the top 500 here.


You serious? Its not like its an incredibly complicated game, I'm sure some EUs are good enough.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 29 2010 22:25 GMT
#3094
Lol I'd be willing to bet the top 500 on Euro are at least almost on par with the top 500 in America. What would make the European scene so much worse than the American? Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely curious as to why the Europeans have such a bad rep.

Besides the fact that they blatantly stole our bravery.
Retvrn to Forvms
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 29 2010 22:28 GMT
#3095
On December 30 2010 07:25 Chrispy wrote:
Lol I'd be willing to bet the top 500 on Euro are at least almost on par with the top 500 in America. What would make the European scene so much worse than the American? Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely curious as to why the Europeans have such a bad rep.

Besides the fact that they blatantly stole our bravery.


obviously since us beat eu in wcg, that determines everything
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
December 29 2010 22:34 GMT
#3096
Brasilians play on US server and Brasil es #1
it's my first day
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
December 29 2010 22:35 GMT
#3097
EU gets raped by eve ganks.
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
December 29 2010 22:39 GMT
#3098
Only objective terms we have is more ppl on US server.
Asdkmoga
Profile Joined May 2010
United States496 Posts
December 29 2010 23:04 GMT
#3099
On December 30 2010 07:25 Chrispy wrote:
Lol I'd be willing to bet the top 500 on Euro are at least almost on par with the top 500 in America. What would make the European scene so much worse than the American? Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely curious as to why the Europeans have such a bad rep.


i played euro when my computer was taken was (come on, who doesnt want to be a badass foreigner) and the LiquidParty had i believe 4 people in it? LFG Channel also had VERY little, and it took me several minutes for me to get a actual game to play in...

and i have nothing against europe players, im sure they could take on US best as well, didnt know people had a bad rep against euro's but i feel like its not as popular
"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action and over 600 is clearly the work of an ancient Sumerian demon or some shit."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 23:05:46
December 29 2010 23:04 GMT
#3100
On December 30 2010 07:25 Chrispy wrote:
Lol I'd be willing to bet the top 500 on Euro are at least almost on par with the top 500 in America. What would make the European scene so much worse than the American? Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely curious as to why the Europeans have such a bad rep.

Besides the fact that they blatantly stole our bravery.

The impression I got from prior TL discussions is that it comes from just seeing straight up bad play in higher level EU games (e.g. poor warding, poor team decision making mid-late, etc.).
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