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On July 20 2011 23:14 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 22:52 JackDino wrote:On July 20 2011 22:16 Crucifix wrote:
Nice split... 17 minutes in Queue, ROFL. The queue is probs here so they don't have everyone logging on right at once and putting a huge load on the server. With WoW for example there has never been a queue, just shortly after maintenance. Seems like somewhat of a farfetched possibility compared to the more realistic "Riot doesn't know wtf they are doing". Servers have been shit for over half a year now. The guy running the server department is completly incompetent. At this point being skeptical is only to be expected after a total of 5 promises that server problems would be fixed. Riot's idea of fixing the servers is handing out RP.
Or IP boosts.
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On July 20 2011 23:13 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 23:08 Shikyo wrote:On July 20 2011 23:06 HyperionDreamer wrote:On July 20 2011 22:36 starfries wrote:On July 20 2011 21:46 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Meh at monkey king. I just wish Riot would spend an entire month working on the balance of their game rather than introducing more imbalanced elements into it. Seriously, out of the last 6 champions released, how many of them have been broken as hell?
Nocturne - broken upon release, huge nerfs required.
Lee Sin - bad upon release, has since transformed into a strong sustainable jungler/solo laner
Brand - eazy mode AP, whether he's balanced or not is debatable
Rumble - I don't know why people don't run this guy more, he's insanely strong.
Vayne - broken upon release, but instead of changing the one thing that breaks her terribly (% of max hp in true damage) they nerf everything else. still an amazingly strong ranged AD.
Orianna - banned or picked in a lot of high level games, awesome AP nuke. You missed Yorick lol, autoloss on release Oh shit, my bad. I don't ever get to see him in games since he was garbage initially and ban worthy every time right now. ^_^ He's not even ban-worthy, still really bad <_< But I'm glad that people waste a ban on him so we get one more broken champion every game His insane lane sustainability alone makes him ban worthy imo. Can you force him out of lane with anything, or just throw another insane laner in top like udyr or lanewick? Udyr is banned quite a lot too for the same reason, I don't see why you don't find that worthy of ban.
because udyrs laning is way better and udyr isnt a total fail late (But even so isnt worth a ban
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at least Yorick doesn't take it in the butt from Teemo.
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True for being an AD champion Teemo's Blind kind of fails against yorick because he gets and image + 3 ghouls and teemo can only blind one. Also ghouls facecheck bushes like a boss
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Are the Korean WCG qualifiers live or a replay of yesterdays?
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Udyr's totally useless late-game, lol.
Yorick is an absolute wrecking-ball late-game.
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On July 20 2011 23:32 rwrzr wrote:
True for being an AD champion Teemo's Blind kind of fails against yorick because he gets and image + 3 ghouls and teemo can only blind one. Also ghouls facecheck bushes like a boss
what? This has nothing to do with it. Teemo rapes udyr and warwick because they have no fucking range, Teemo's stupid fast, and poison dart makes his pewpew harass way better than most.
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WTf these koreans are pretty bad l0l. Dat dive, DAT DIVE!
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On July 20 2011 23:36 Southlight wrote:
Udyr's totally useless late-game, lol.
Yorick is an absolute wrecking-ball late-game.
Please don't reply to my posts if you don't back up your arguments, I don't feel like just doing the "you're wrong I'm wrong" exchanging.
Yorick has no gapcloser and is extremely vulnerable to CC. His damage is okay but only if he gets into melee, in which case he gets focused fast unless he builds tank, in which case he deals no damage.
Udyr in the lategame at least has a ghost and a stun and phenomenal damage, Yorick has absolutely nothing aside from a weak slow with a long cooldown.
Yorick's decent 1v1 but since when has 1v1 been the measurement point? Why don't we see Tryndamere as the top ban?
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Udyr and useless in the same sentence boggles my mind, Are you sure we're on the same patch?
He's the most broken champion in the game right now imo, at all stages of the game.
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Udyr late-game gets kited and doesn't do shit, and hasn't done anything beyond get kited and do shit for the last several months. His laning is obnoxious but that's about it; solo q superstar.
Yorick doubles your ranged DPS, which is absolutely filthy. And he can control it so that there's a free farmed up ranged DPS shitting on one squishy while he pressures another and the real ranged DPS and killing your other shit. It's stupid as fuck. He just struggles getting to late-game 'cause he has to actually hit level 16, and his mid-game is somewhat bad, which is his single saving grace.
Tryndamere doesn't get banned because he blows in lane, blows in jungle, can't gank, and gets kited all day.
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Also Yorick doesn't NEED a gap closer his fucking ranged spells do fifty billion damage so he doesn't even need to autoattack someone.
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So because udyr doesn't have a gap closer he gets kited? I dont often see scenarios where a random udyr appears and just runs straight at your team from a mile away for you to kite endlessly, he usually has someone else on his team to initiate or CC enemies or he catches someone by flanking or flash stunning them and then his red buff + move speed keeps him on that target. And even if he gets kited, he's essentality zoning out some carry and then can fold on whatever target is closer and unable to run away.
I really don't get this "gets kited all day" talk when what I see and experience in practice is vastly different from the actual theory..
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i love how one person complains about lack of gap-closers and how it fucks one hero but mysteriously doesn't fuck a hero that has no real gap-closing either.
and another person argues that having no gap-closing is not really an issue "in practice"
Udyr has and always will have the handicap of not actually being able to power through peels and such from AP heroes and supports. He's a solo queue superstar because he shits on unskilled laners (surprisingly, he gets demolished by a lot of ranged heroes and spellcasters, but people tend not to play them, or play them well, especially in solo queue where you'll get a lot of retards up there trying to deal with Udyr). Having extra farm and levels and extra enemy attention does not remove this fact.
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Seriously, have you PLAYED Udyr against a decent team that has decent CC and knows how to use it? It's the most infuriating thing in the world, red buff or not. I don't care if you Flash Red-buff into their carry you'll get stunned ONCE and then boom you're fucked for the rest of the fight, especially against heroes like Vayne and Ashe and MF and Corki. Good thing they're not played much! Oh wait.
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Want more? The time you spend dicking around not doing any damage and just slowing getting killed is actually not a good thing! Why? Because you took a goddamn solo lane, and you're not actually contributing to the fight because all you're doing is dying, generally not even scratching the guy you're supposed to kill. It's one thing to not do anything as a jungler, it's another thing to be one of your team's primary carries and output all of 500 damage (Flash Bear Tiger). So you'll usually see Udyr eat the ranged AD's attacks while hitting whatever the fuck he can hit, which is usually the tank/support peeling him. GJ.
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Or Trist or Cait, they don't have kiting skills/snares/pushbacks, so you can go after them np!
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I think you're exaggerating about how useless he is in team fights, his sustain/surviveability with lifesteal/shield/short CD stuns both in lane and teamfights is just so strong he can stay in them for such a long time, that alone is huge threat with the right comps, so as someones job is to absord damage and attract attention he's pretty good at that aspect and if you dont mind your positioning udyr will fuck you up real fast, you simply can't 1v1 a farmed udyr as a squishy carry.
And yeah as you mention his laning power is just ridicilous, he can stay in lane for SOO long after wriggles that he's like a tanky nidalee, that alone can win games because the enemy is just forced to bring so many people to even come close to shut you down. Even then its often a waste if you have active teammates.
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I always wondered how Flash/Cleanse would be on Udyr, I never tried it out, as anyone else? With that's he basically invulnerable to CC for 3 seconds, which allows him to do his damage, cause he'll be able to get up to people and fight them (As long as he has enough speed with bear + maybe a triforce?) Persoanally, I think Yorick might be a better top then Udyr, simply because Yorrick has a better escape ability (he can use W, which is actually a fairly huge slow), and Udyr can be a bit hurt by a lot of ranged harass (moreso then Yorick for sure).
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Proper laning heroes can fuck with Udyr, I'm not even a good Ori and I can zone out an Udyr until he gets a ton of ganking help. Again, bad players can't deal with him properly, and so he's a fantastic solo queue hero, but honestly even if he gets farmed in lane I don't give a crap because I know he's going to be worthless in teamfights. It's just like how a farmed Udyr rarely guaranteed an actual advantage because he's so easy to shut down.
Also many "squishy carries" can 1v1 Udyr if they have red buff, or at least ping him down. The problem is that nowadays Udyr is the guy who's supposed to be killing shit, or at least peeling while damaging, instead of just being a pincushion being hot-potato'd in the middle of the fight.
Is he obnoxious? Hell yes, and I think along with Lanewick he merits a nerf to his sustain, but Riot's already been on the sustain heroes and we all knows he's next. Most broken hero? Give me a break he's really not that good.
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This is really annoying me, why doesn't pink taric have cloak?
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I ban Fiddle over Udyr every single time for whatever that's worth.
Other team picks Udyr? Teemo, boom problem solved.
Other team picks Fiddle? Fuck, even Honver gets to Plat by playing Fiddle
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On July 21 2011 00:32 Southlight wrote:
Proper laning heroes can fuck with Udyr, I'm not even a good Ori and I can zone out an Udyr until he gets a ton of ganking help. Again, bad players can't deal with him properly, and so he's a fantastic solo queue hero, but honestly even if he gets farmed in lane I don't give a crap because I know he's going to be worthless in teamfights. It's just like how a farmed Udyr rarely guaranteed an actual advantage because he's so easy to shut down.
Also many "squishy carries" can 1v1 Udyr if they have red buff, or at least ping him down. The problem is that nowadays Udyr is the guy who's supposed to be killing shit, or at least peeling while damaging, instead of just being a pincushion being hot-potato'd in the middle of the fight.
Is he obnoxious? Hell yes, and I think along with Lanewick he merits a nerf to his sustain, but Riot's already been on the sustain heroes and we all knows he's next. Most broken hero? Give me a break he's really not that good.
tbh Tigerstance should % true damage. Then he would be viable again. *wistles* and I agree with, udyr is annoying at best.
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I guess my experience from just playing on EU is too limiting in this argument. I mean double AP does happen for solos with a tanky jungler, but not often so its hard to argue that. Solo top AD ive never actually seen in like 500 ranked games.
Its pretty much always tank vs tank top so yeah, go EU meta zzZzz
God I fucking EU meta so hard. Would love to be able to solo top corki.
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