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On July 21 2011 01:21 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 01:11 Odds wrote: Why the fuck does nobody play Sivir anymore? So they nerfed the multiple-target damage on BB a bit, big goddamn deal.
I'll bet anything she's still OP as all hell. Because Sivir needs a team around her to work. Simple as that really, in solo queue the heroes that work are those that doesn't need your entire team to adapt to your playstyle.
More like you can't trust them to do all the right things to help you lol
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On July 21 2011 00:42 Southlight wrote: Udyr currently wrecks tanks because he has the strongest melee sustain, and that's what that matchup is all about. Proper sustained AP heroes or AP heroes with ridiculous burst fuck with Udyr. I'm not as sure about AD heroes vs Udyr 1v1 lane because I'm atrocious at them, but I'd imagine Corki would mess up Udyr, and I'd also go ahead and assume that Udyr can't actually prevent farm on proper ranged AD, and farmed ranged AD > farmed Udyr.
Edit: Also I prefer banning Fiddle too. o/ Vayne such a counterpick to Udyr in lane IMO. Silver bolts really messes with his sustain, because a percentage of max hp in true damage is really balanced. Unless turtle stances is even more balanced than silver bolts?
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On July 21 2011 01:27 DrKlingmann wrote: how many ppl on westEU LiquidParty right now? we have 26 on NE
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On July 20 2011 12:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: Why is everybody suddenly leaving LoL? Just not fun anymore? DotA2? Is HoN finally good now?
Caller, we need to Queue again and try to get me fired from another job. Remember how much fun that was? We need to do it more! Good memories! Yo I'll duo with you. We can get you fired from like 3 jobs np
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On July 21 2011 01:29 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 01:21 Hynda wrote:On July 21 2011 01:11 Odds wrote: Why the fuck does nobody play Sivir anymore? So they nerfed the multiple-target damage on BB a bit, big goddamn deal.
I'll bet anything she's still OP as all hell. Because Sivir needs a team around her to work. Simple as that really, in solo queue the heroes that work are those that doesn't need your entire team to adapt to your playstyle. More like you can't trust them to do all the right things to help you lol Which is exactlly what I said
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On July 21 2011 01:43 mercurial wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 01:27 DrKlingmann wrote: how many ppl on westEU LiquidParty right now? we have 26 on NE 31
How to get in LiquidParty on WestEU? Just join the chatroom LiquidParty through the PvP.net client?
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The reason you ban udyr is just because you can't trust your teammates to play properly against him. In solo q you never know when someone is going to pick something like Jarvan/Singed etc.. top and get completely destroyed by Udyr. You also can't count on your team kiting him in team fights.
There are quite a few champs that can get cs against him fine, but it's pretty hard to power through all 4-5 of his potions before he can farm a madreds. After that you can't harass him which is what I would consider a broken/unfun mechanic. The issue you have then is he can become a better version of split push nidalee and just push down all your towers, steal your jungle and in general cause havoc.... which again wins solo q games.
All they'd have to do is remove wriggles functionality with turtle and he will rarely be seen in solo q again. I'd honestly like to see them nerf tiger stance and buff phoenix too because having tiger so strong just promotes playing Udyr in a way that will only work against bad opponents. They're essentially saying "well since you will get kited all day we will try balance it by making tiger so strong that if you aren't kited you will 3 shot enemies." At least with phoenix you can get a Singed-like champion out of the jungle that can be somewhat effective at split pushing, tanking, etc...
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Yorick is auto win lane against a lot of champs, and can't lose against the rest. A huge percentage of games are decided in laning so that's already a strong point of him. Since Yorick's lane isn't going to fail there's a high chance even if the others do the game continues on to a lategame scenario...where Yorick can either ghost himself (probably guarenteed to be farmed with decent AD) or ghost a farmed AD carry which is near impossible to deal with.
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K, the split was good, I didn't have to wait any minute to connect. But what did they do with personalized games ? I no longer can play against bot to try a champ. 
Edit: And they still not have fixed this fucking chat system.
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On July 20 2011 12:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: Why is everybody suddenly leaving LoL? Just not fun anymore? DotA2? Is HoN finally good now?
Caller, we need to Queue again and try to get me fired from another job. Remember how much fun that was? We need to do it more! Good memories!
Yo if you find that amumu from the other day i'll go down with the entire goddamn ship to make him miserable.
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I love poppy + support lanes so much <3
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For the past month everybody in a chat channel has the same icon and doesn't change color for being in game/queue. Does Riot know that chat is messed up right now? Have they acknowledged this at some point?
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i joined liquidparty... like 7people?
but tbh i just wanna find someone around my elo, with a mic, to duo with (whos not a rager...)
rather than do aram or 5mans or something.....
is there a thread for that? ^_^
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Holy shit what happened to fat grackis?
EDIT: Nvm I dumb that was scy.
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On July 21 2011 02:31 arnath wrote: For the past month everybody in a chat channel has the same icon and doesn't change color for being in game/queue. Does Riot know that chat is messed up right now? Have they acknowledged this at some point? I imagine they have to know about it. They've had the bug visible on stream, too.
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Is AP Poppy the only tournament viable build? zzz
Triforce Poppy so much more fun than AP. I have been getting Rageblade first because its cheap, helps tremendously with farming, and gives some kick to Q and E.
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Udyr is definitely weak late game. I haven't been raping my lanes that much with lane udyr because people always gank the fuck out of me and I'm used to jungling him so much, but maybe I should try.
Vayne rapes udyr hard. Literally no way for him to catch up with constant tumble+condemn+ultimate+insane damage.
The problem I have with lane udyr is it takes the role of a solo top tanky dps who can run into a fight and kill their carry. If I'm udyr I can't do shit to their carry, and our jungle is likely to be a nunu/amumu or a jungle jarvan/xin who usually don't go for the carry for some reason.
When I play jungle udyr I'm much more comfortable because I can build mostly tanky stay back protect the carries and then charge in when their whole team can't burst me. Even with a tank build using wits end, wriggles and phage for damage I can still kill any squishy but I don't get raped so hard by AoE damage. Lategame udyr has no burst damage at all so that's why he seems so weak. You take all this damage charging in and dying and only get a few hits of tiger in which takes like 30% of someone's health. However if the teamfight streches on he's not that bad.
Definitely can't see how udyr is possibly more overpowered than gangplank who is just retarded at all stages of the game.
On July 21 2011 00:46 Senx wrote: Its like if i go into a ranked and pick corki and say "solo top" people initially rage and call me an idiot, and then they shit themselves because they have no idea what to pick or what to do for bot lane.
While in US its like everyone picks whatever the fuck they want and people just make it work in the end.
Whos to blame? Do we need like fnatic/SK to stop running support/ad bot for people to change their mind on this?
Soutlight (I think?) is advocating the burst duos bot to counter support/ad but its weird that none of the top teams are picking up on this if its indeed the better strat?
Pick corki solo top and you have to come up with 2 champions that have fantastic synergy with each other and at least 1 of them is going to be level dependent. (either a tanky dps or an AP carry) The other team can pick ANY viable AD carry and ANY viable support and it will shit on 95% of the duo lanes solo queuers will put together. And your solo top corki will still lose to xin zhaos/irelias/jarvans and you're also stuck with an underleveled tanky dps who will not be able to do their job because they can't farm as well in a duo lane getting harassed and have less levesl to give them hp/mr/armour.
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You definitely can't just "run up" to their carry while they're bunched up. You have to flank or intercept their carry while they're running around the map trying to restore order to the mess you're making by pushing the lanes.
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Actually good Corkis fuck around with most melee heroes, including the Jarvs and Irelias and Xins of the world. The bigger issue is the sheer amount of coordination that is required to deal with even the worst of support hero players, because there's a power balance issue there.
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Udyr also thrives in chaotic situations where everybody is split up or some people are missing and he runs around and kills everyone, which only happens in solo queue but happens frequently in solo queue.
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yup support heroes are impossible to balance because when people play them poorly its a 4v5 and free food for the other team whereas a well played support is stupidly OP to the point where the team without one will always lose.
hate support and hate fiddle,
done ranting for today time to finish this essay
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