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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
July 15 2011 19:31 GMT
#21241
On July 16 2011 03:37 r.Evo wrote:
and go 18-4-16 as Annie.


Doesn't work anymore, people ban Annie like every game
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 15 2011 19:32 GMT
#21242
I cant wait till im in ELO Hell
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 15 2011 19:38 GMT
#21243
On July 16 2011 04:05 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was "up there" GMB was infuriating to play with because he'd have massive brainfart moments and really played with the solo q mentality of "1v5 or bust" (ie ignore teamfights entirely, even if taking place in front of him). He was also hilarious to play against because you knew there was a huge chance he'd blow the game for his team in some inexplicable way like that too. I've generally chalked it up to him just trolling solo queue *shrugs*


I just assumed it's because he's paying attention to his stream and people talking to him in IRC as much as the game itself if not moreso. He also doesn't try to carry. It's rare to see Bob giving his team direction. He'll tell them what they did wrong on occasion, but he doesn't care enough to drag them kicking and screaming to victory.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
July 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#21244
On July 16 2011 03:12 APurpleCow wrote:
I played like 10 games as Veigar yesterday. They were only normal queue, but he honestly seems like one of the strongest AP carries in the game right now. If he doesn't become fotm soon, I'm going to be surprised. He just has so much going for him...

+ Show Spoiler +
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Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:51 Sponkz wrote:
How do you carry when the 5th pick troll picks something completely useless when we need say, ad carry or support, and then proceeds to go 0-5 in laning phase with 10 CS? Fyi im at 1350'ish ELO on EU.


It does take a lot of games to get yourself out of ELO hell. It really does happen over a long stretch.
Just gotta play more games, as there are a lot of games that are uncarryable.

It took me about 10 games from 1200 to 1400 way back in the day, and continued rising to 1500 at about the same rate, where I hovered for ages losing drive to try, then floating upward a bit more

The closer you are to your correct skill level, the slower towards it you will rise for the most part, if you are supposed to be significantly higher than you're currently at it wont take a lot of games
You can't milk those!
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#21245
I'm getting some godawful lag right now - when i change directions my character stutters for a second or two before responding. I'm assuming its on riots end?
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
July 15 2011 19:53 GMT
#21246
On July 16 2011 04:49 calgar wrote:
I'm getting some godawful lag right now - when i change directions my character stutters for a second or two before responding. I'm assuming its on riots end?


Sounds like high latency. Press ctrl+f ingame, what's your ping?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 15 2011 19:57 GMT
#21247
It took me about 10 games to go from 1400 to late 1500s, then I started losing a bit so it took me another 10 to hit 1600+, then another 10ish to break 1700s.

/shrugs
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 15 2011 19:58 GMT
#21248
On July 16 2011 04:53 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 04:49 calgar wrote:
I'm getting some godawful lag right now - when i change directions my character stutters for a second or two before responding. I'm assuming its on riots end?


Sounds like high latency. Press ctrl+f ingame, what's your ping?
~93-100
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 15 2011 20:01 GMT
#21249
bob also lacks some basic game sense. I still remember listening to Whale's recording of TL vs. Whale in week 1 of Premier League and hearing Bob rage at Nico for Janna ulting Jarman off of him (he was Sivir) and claiming that that was a gain winning fight there. Then I looked at his items (this like 35 mins into the game) madred's razor, pickaxe, multiple d-blades, bloodthirster... We had a Jarman and a Taric. And he had no LW. -_-'. Nico's ult did literally nothing because bob bought Razor on Sivir rather than having a last whisper by then.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 15 2011 20:34 GMT
#21250
lol, I remember a game where his team was using a lame heal comp and poking down towers with Nidalee, was almost done poking down inhib tower when Bob suddenly tower dives me (Kass) with WW and gets his team wiped into gg. I think I was duo q with redtooth. It was very bizarre.

zzz
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
July 15 2011 20:34 GMT
#21251
So many people critizing bob as if he's actually trying to be competitive or something.

He's playing on US server with 200-300 ms listening to some chill music and interacting with his audience. I mean come on give him a break.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#21252
On July 16 2011 02:51 Sponkz wrote:
How do you carry when the 5th pick troll picks something completely useless when we need say, ad carry or support, and then proceeds to go 0-5 in laning phase with 10 CS? Fyi im at 1350'ish ELO on EU.

Normally I would recommend waiting a couple months, but then I realized you're gonna get stuck with ALL OF THEM LOL
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 15 2011 20:43 GMT
#21253
well, I'm just trying to point out that it's silly for people to assume that since he's a well known streamer he must be deserving of a higher rank than he currently has.

in other news, that karman game from 2 nights ago is up:
http://www.own3d.tv/video/149941/7_13_Tipsy_Smash_ft._Leona_and_Karman_Quadra_Keel
game's from about 1:00:00 - 1:35:00. Quadra's at about 1:19:30 or so.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 21:12:09
July 15 2011 21:01 GMT
#21254
Gman Bob pretty chill streamer to watch, though a lot of his decision making makes me cringe sometimes. For example, when he dies with flash and Xin ult both up, and then in the same game refuses to initiate 5v4 when he's like 15-5 and super farmed (somehow is he amazing and terrible at Xin at the same time). I'd rather he made good decisions, and just sucked at last-hitting or something.

In other news [image loading]
+ Show Spoiler +

All credit goes to R04R, who also broke 1500 with that win, and carried super hard with last pick jungle Xin after 4 derp picks. Our first three were Vlad, TF (AP), and Nidalee, and I literally had no idea how to balance it out--Alistar/Udyr were banned, and I am pretty lacking in tanky AD champions that allow for three AP solos... (plus I haven't slept since Thursday morning) so I defaulted to Jax for the epic Jax/Nidalee vs Soraka/Garen bot lane. Basically neither side could cs and zone at the same time, at least until nid hits 6 and r04r pulls off crazy gankage while I just stacked gp5 items and jumped around. Also partial credit goes to enemy vayne, who went 1-7 in the first 17 minutes or so. Real WTF 22 minute game.

Finally feels like I'm learning LoL at a snail's pace, been hovering around 1450 pretty much forever--my elo pretty much never fluctuates beyond 50 points. Then again I don't spam ranked games, which I probably should.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 21:31:29
July 15 2011 21:11 GMT
#21255
On July 16 2011 04:31 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 03:37 r.Evo wrote:
and go 18-4-16 as Annie.


Doesn't work anymore, people ban Annie like every game


on U.S. server you can get Orianna every game(Haven't seen her picked/banned at all, and only players I've seen play her have not been very good) in the 1550-1600's I'm having some good luck with her. Even if i'm not carrying the game I can make the decision to E my melee guy, give him a speed boost, and ult their team and look, we won the team fight regardless.

There are so many powerful picks right now that it's hard to ban them all.. If I get 2nd/3rd ban and first pick, I almost always get Udyr, Annie or GP, cause one of those won't be banned in that position if i plan it out. And someone on your team can play these champions(All three are super easy to play and do well with). I don't like getting TF, I never see good TF's on my team at this elo, and the tf on other team is always super pro, so I just ban tf to be safe.

I hate being third pick, it's my least favorite spot to be. I like being first and controlling the pace of champ selection and making some good bans, but I also don't mind being last at all, and playing a solid fill in role for the team.

Buy wards!

Just to comment on Yango's post below this, I love when teams get super cocky and way overextend their welcome in your base or around your jungle, don't ever go back to heal, always dive. It leads to some really funny happenings. On the other hand, the games where your losing whole game but they are too scared to ever push or do anything with their lead, those games are sad, but then you get the random late game turn arounds that way. Personally I'm still trying to find a healthy balance in my own play, I think i play too scared sometimes, idk.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 21:22:14
July 15 2011 21:21 GMT
#21256
On July 16 2011 02:51 Sponkz wrote:
How do you carry when the 5th pick troll picks something completely useless when we need say, ad carry or support, and then proceeds to go 0-5 in laning phase with 10 CS? Fyi im at 1350'ish ELO on EU.

Even if the enemy team has a carry that gets fed 12-0, at that Elo, there are two things that you can consistently rely on:

1) The enemy team does not know how to win the game.

2) That fed 12-0 carry will invariably make a game-losing mistake somewhere. He's ~1350 Elo, if you're not seeing his mistakes and capable of taking advantage of them, then you're not playing well enough.

As such, even if you're not more fed than the other team's carry, you can ensure your team's victory if you can do 2 things: First, you need to perform damage control in bad fights (i.e. just make sure that you don't lose the fight badly enough that they can take whatever they want--teams at that Elo are slow and sloppy about Baroning/pushing off a won teamfight, so as long as you don't get aced, you can generally prevent them from getting to push their advantage. Second is you need to capitalize on that game-losing mistake (and obviously not make them yourself when you're that fed). It doesn't matter how fed the enemy Nocturne is. If he gets caught by himself and picked off, you can still probably do something with his mistake. In many cases, 3-4 of his teammates will be stupid and turn him getting caught into a way worse situation for their team--then it's YOUR job to make sure your team is not slow and sloppy about pushing your advantage.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 15 2011 21:43 GMT
#21257
Thanks for all the replies guys. I gave up playing solo queue for a while, however i will look into this in more depths when i don't completely rage/facepalm at every team member.
hi
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
July 15 2011 21:50 GMT
#21258
I played a game recently as Maokai with a team that did not want to group up and push at all. We were behind in kills and towers, but up in dragons and we got an early baron thanks to Brand and Bloodrazor Nocturne. Then brand, jarvan and jax split up to farm jungle and lanes.
We got a second baron, and brand and jarvan use it to farm jungle and lanes.
They get our mid inhibitor down, so we "can't push until inhib is up" despite having baron and Leona being their only currently living champion.
I get picked off in jungle because I'm bad, and they get brand too because he 'tried to save me'. They take our bottom inhibitor.
They stay too long in our base, we run to baron, kill it, see Lux farming halfway up mid lane, and in quick succession pick off her, Teemo, Udyr, and someone else I forget who, and crush mid turret, inhibitor, and nexus.
If you can drag it out to late game, just try and pick one person off and you'll often snowball out of control from there. Ezpz.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 21:53:32
July 15 2011 21:53 GMT
#21259
On July 16 2011 06:50 Tooplark wrote:
If you can drag it out to late game, just try and pick one person off and you'll often snowball out of control from there. Ezpz.

It's even better when that 1 person has all their kills and most of their farm, and the enemy team has no chance of being able to fight without him, even under towers. Then in the post-game he'll rage about feeders and Elo hell when, despite being fed, he's the one that made the game-losing mistake.
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Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
July 15 2011 21:57 GMT
#21260
On July 16 2011 06:21 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:51 Sponkz wrote:
How do you carry when the 5th pick troll picks something completely useless when we need say, ad carry or support, and then proceeds to go 0-5 in laning phase with 10 CS? Fyi im at 1350'ish ELO on EU.

Even if the enemy team has a carry that gets fed 12-0, at that Elo, there are two things that you can consistently rely on:

1) The enemy team does not know how to win the game.

2) That fed 12-0 carry will invariably make a game-losing mistake somewhere. He's ~1350 Elo, if you're not seeing his mistakes and capable of taking advantage of them, then you're not playing well enough.

As such, even if you're not more fed than the other team's carry, you can ensure your team's victory if you can do 2 things: First, you need to perform damage control in bad fights (i.e. just make sure that you don't lose the fight badly enough that they can take whatever they want--teams at that Elo are slow and sloppy about Baroning/pushing off a won teamfight, so as long as you don't get aced, you can generally prevent them from getting to push their advantage. Second is you need to capitalize on that game-losing mistake (and obviously not make them yourself when you're that fed). It doesn't matter how fed the enemy Nocturne is. If he gets caught by himself and picked off, you can still probably do something with his mistake. In many cases, 3-4 of his teammates will be stupid and turn him getting caught into a way worse situation for their team--then it's YOUR job to make sure your team is not slow and sloppy about pushing your advantage.

I just started ranked games...what do you do when your teammates can't tell the difference between you doing damage control and reinitiating a fight? XZ players for example are on a hair trigger to E in and then ult when they see someone move back a step.
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