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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 14 2011 18:30 GMT
#21081
On July 15 2011 03:28 Mogwai wrote:
50 is a ton. 20-30 maybe, but not 50.

also, his abilities just need more impact. Even just spamming his shit atm, he's mostly just an ult bot...


The idea behind reducing it by 50 is that it makes it essentially free if you hit something, and not if you dont. So you can continue to throw blades and sheild yourself
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 14 2011 18:31 GMT
#21082
i must say that the problem with jarvan is that not only is he tanky as shit and still does a ton of damage, but the issue is that he also stupid amounts of cc AND farms really easily.

i dont think there's been single champion recently that hasn't had a freefarm technique. There should be a balance between how well the champion scales and how easy it is for them to farm. When you have people like jarvan and irelia who can mash q to farm creeps, they shouldn't become fucking rape mode when they farm. Look at shaco ffs. He has a hard time farming, and he scales like shit (well, unless you're building ap). This is also why annie is broken now. Because she can afk farm with q and w, and she scales better (same with alistar) than before, she becomes stupid strong. Same with singed. Press q, get money, become unkillable. Same with Malzahar. Press q and e, get money, one shot people with w. Rumble? Press Q, press R, win the game. Need I go on?

I hate to say it, but Poppy and Mordekaiser are a good example of this principle. Poppy is stupid strong late game because she scales so damn well, but trying to farm with poppy is extremely difficult. Mordekaiser has shitty scaling, but farms EVERYTHING. This is a balance. If you have assholes that can farm everything while scaling well, you're going to have a broken game. And that's why i'm super semi-retired from this game, because its silly broken in that champion design principle.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
July 14 2011 18:34 GMT
#21083
On July 15 2011 03:31 Caller wrote:
i must say that the problem with jarvan is that not only is he tanky as shit and still does a ton of damage, but the issue is that he also stupid amounts of cc AND farms really easily.

i dont think there's been single champion recently that hasn't had a freefarm technique. There should be a balance between how well the champion scales and how easy it is for them to farm. When you have people like jarvan and irelia who can mash q to farm creeps, they shouldn't become fucking rape mode when they farm. Look at shaco ffs. He has a hard time farming, and he scales like shit (well, unless you're building ap). This is also why annie is broken now. Because she can afk farm with q and w, and she scales better (same with alistar) than before, she becomes stupid strong. Same with singed. Press q, get money, become unkillable. Same with Malzahar. Press q and e, get money, one shot people with w. Rumble? Press Q, press R, win the game. Need I go on?

I hate to say it, but Poppy and Mordekaiser are a good example of this principle. Poppy is stupid strong late game because she scales so damn well, but trying to farm with poppy is extremely difficult. Mordekaiser has shitty scaling, but farms EVERYTHING. This is a balance. If you have assholes that can farm everything while scaling well, you're going to have a broken game. And that's why i'm super semi-retired from this game, because its silly broken in that champion design principle.

One of the most important parts of creating a hero should be "So what is this champions weak point" there are several of the new champions that the awnser to that one is "none".
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 18:42:56
July 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#21084
yet he still manages to get his face fuckstarted by the majority of top lane heroes and has marginal jungling speed. I mean, just lol @ the idea that farming up a storm with singed or irelia is easy when they're both fucking pathetic early and good players on you know... actually good laners will completely eat them up and then not push down their tower to let them farm back into the game until it's too late.

Now I'm not gonna pretend that shit like WW, Udyr, Yorick, Fiddle, Alistar, Nidalee, etc with ungodly sustainability is healthy for the game, but I just think it's naive to say that Singed, Irelia, and Jarvan have it easy farming top these days. Fun note, none of those ungodly sustainability assholes scales particularly well, so in a sense their crazy laning is justifiable. On the other hand though, corki is total fucking bullshit, fucking craziest damage scaling of ranged carries and has triple AoE ezmode farming abilities.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 14 2011 18:46 GMT
#21085
Maokai is the closest we've come to a tank in a while, I just don't like his single CC (which is slow CD), and his inadvertent lane-pushing.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 14 2011 18:51 GMT
#21086
he has 2 CC, the Q is just a little awkward.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 14 2011 18:55 GMT
#21087
Jarvan seems to be intended to play like rammus 2.0 and then they accidentally gave him irelia's damage, wtf.

I feel like his design would actually be fantastic if he were tankier and less damaging, unless they nerf him to the point where he can't lane properly he will always be playable just based on his current level of cc.

On July 15 2011 03:31 Caller wrote:
i must say that the problem with jarvan is that not only is he tanky as shit and still does a ton of damage, but the issue is that he also stupid amounts of cc AND farms really easily.

i dont think there's been single champion recently that hasn't had a freefarm technique. There should be a balance between how well the champion scales and how easy it is for them to farm. When you have people like jarvan and irelia who can mash q to farm creeps, they shouldn't become fucking rape mode when they farm. Look at shaco ffs. He has a hard time farming, and he scales like shit (well, unless you're building ap). This is also why annie is broken now. Because she can afk farm with q and w, and she scales better (same with alistar) than before, she becomes stupid strong. Same with singed. Press q, get money, become unkillable. Same with Malzahar. Press q and e, get money, one shot people with w. Rumble? Press Q, press R, win the game. Need I go on?

I hate to say it, but Poppy and Mordekaiser are a good example of this principle. Poppy is stupid strong late game because she scales so damn well, but trying to farm with poppy is extremely difficult. Mordekaiser has shitty scaling, but farms EVERYTHING. This is a balance. If you have assholes that can farm everything while scaling well, you're going to have a broken game. And that's why i'm super semi-retired from this game, because its silly broken in that champion design principle.


what?

did caller just... make a good post? A serious one? You just broke a 6554 post combo chain...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 14 2011 18:56 GMT
#21088
You obviously dont read his economics posts. He drops a combo breaker every now and again.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 14 2011 18:58 GMT
#21089
Neo has arrived.

amagad, stop initiating as Kass, Uta!

bai
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 14 2011 18:58 GMT
#21090
Also, just checked the CD on Twisted advance and it's the same as level 2 Dazzle. Assuming you don't level Dazzle until last like most Tarics, it's on a shorter CD than Dazzle and on top of that he has his jawkward mini knockup on a 6 second CD.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 14 2011 19:01 GMT
#21091
enough useless discussion. New BR tier list:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=966173
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 14 2011 19:05 GMT
#21092
On July 15 2011 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
enough useless discussion. New BR tier list:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=966173

Hahah, sick thread.

Sona: Boobs to distracting, reduce size make her not viable.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 19:10:51
July 14 2011 19:10 GMT
#21093
On July 14 2011 06:37 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 06:04 -Zoda- wrote:
On July 14 2011 04:30 Shiv. wrote:Edit: I've been trying to get Tristana again and I really think something's messed up. I followed the official forum link and this is what happens:
[image loading]

It's a bit hard to get her yeah. You have to go in your Facebook options, delete the link with "Tristana Facebook" or something like that. Then, be sure you like the LoL official page. Then go back to the page to get her and it should work.
I just played a game with her this afternoon and see I underestimated her. With good items she's just destroying. And with Q, she's like a gatling rocket launcher. :D
And her E's passive is just freaking great to clear lanes. :O
+ Show Spoiler +

You can see here how low level players are bad at farming, they end the game not even being lvl18
[image loading]


Considering this pic above, I died 6 times because of fiddle. I was laning against him and he got me a few times with his skill that affraid me or something like that, and since I was building only AD he always had enough time to kill me. Any idea how I could avoid this situation ?

Turns out, the application does not exist anymore. Proof:

[image loading]

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

There is supposed to be a Tristana Application, as shown in this tutorial

I've tried Firefox and Safari, both won't work. It's just really sad.



If someone is still experiencing the same troubles, I have found a solution for this:

1. "Unlike" LoL on Facebook if you currently have "liked" it.
2. IF you added the LoL app already, visit http://www.facebook.com/#!/editapps.php?ref=mb and remove the "LoL Community Tristana" Application from your apps list. (If it's not there, you're okay.)
3. Go to Account > Account Security and make sure Secure Browsing (https) is unchecked. If you have to uncheck it, Save your change.
4. Log out, close the window/tab and come back to Facebook in a new window/tab.
5. Log in, go to the http://facebook.com/leagueoflegends page and "like" it.
6. Re-visit http://leagueoflegends.com/facebook and click the Connect to Facebook button. You should now get the message, "Congratulations!The Riot Girl Tristana Skin has been credited to your account."
7. (Optional but Recommended) Go to Account > Account Security and re-enable Secure Browsing (https) which makes your activity on FB more secure (less likely to get hacked/hijacked).
currently rooting for myself.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
July 14 2011 19:13 GMT
#21094
On July 15 2011 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
enough useless discussion. New BR tier list:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=966173


He put Soraka twice, both in bottom tier
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 14 2011 19:15 GMT
#21095
u must be new here. that's how futebolBR tier lists work. If I had to guess, he's probably missing a character or two in there too, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 14 2011 19:16 GMT
#21096
Le bonk she get the name bonk because she bonk so hard you gonna die 2 hits every time.
Nidalee Look at her, definately from brasil.
Ashe GIANT arrow stun for so long i get kick for afk
Annie Too young, you are diapers? for some reason bear not eat her for dinner yet.
Morgana oh you put poison pool? i walk 2 centimeter to left.
Rumble recycle caracters i see riot, es twitch inside of blitzcrank


ahahahah
it's my first day
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 14 2011 19:18 GMT
#21097
On July 15 2011 03:58 Mogwai wrote:
Also, just checked the CD on Twisted advance and it's the same as level 2 Dazzle. Assuming you don't level Dazzle until last like most Tarics, it's on a shorter CD than Dazzle and on top of that he has his jawkward mini knockup on a 6 second CD.


Difference is Taric's Dazzle is good from the start, Maokai W sucks until you level it a lot. So you'll be like GOT HIM HIT HI- oh it ran out, poo.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 14 2011 19:23 GMT
#21098
Seems like Leona is viable as a duo lane semi-support thing. Played so far with Corki/Vayne/MF and it pretty much rapes because of a lot of burst in early game thing. Dash -> immobilize -> stun -> shield dmg, so far, so good.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 19:24:34
July 14 2011 19:23 GMT
#21099
W's fine from the start, you're just spoiled.


On July 15 2011 04:23 Crucifix wrote:
Seems like Leona is viable as a duo lane semi-support thing. Played so far with Corki/Vayne/MF and it pretty much rapes because of a lot of burst in early game thing. Dash -> immobilize -> stun -> shield dmg, so far, so good.

yep, it's like playing blitzcrank bot. just so much cc to let your carry rape theirs.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 19:29:19
July 14 2011 19:28 GMT
#21100
I don't like it Anyways I feel like Maok doesn't have enough CC to justify building as a pure tank, is more-or-less why most people don't really consider him a tank tank, and more an AP off-tank.

Edit:
Also he feels clunky (the legendary Uta complaint!), like Gragas. That's probably my main reason LOL.
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