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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 13 2011 04:27 GMT
#20861
On July 13 2011 13:19 Craton wrote:
Riot also wants to remove CV, so I don't think they have the philosophy of more map vision in mind.

IF I remember correctly I dont think riot wants to remove cv, just change it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 04:30:04
July 13 2011 04:27 GMT
#20862
On July 13 2011 12:32 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 08:23 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Finally got back, long day at work.

Replay for Southlight: This is a game of myself (Jarman) and my girlfriend (Kogmaw) dual queuing.

http://www.mediafire.com/?eqp08q1ji46i7ld


a bunch of long really good feedback

So from what I can gather, the gist of it is this: pressure by presence and threat, actually pressure things and get shit done, and have better reactions to creep pushes and vulnerable heroes.

I don't remember my route that game - generally I start at blue, did I not go there that game? Might have been doing something new. -_-

Thanks again.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
July 13 2011 04:37 GMT
#20863
On July 13 2011 13:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 13:19 Craton wrote:
Riot also wants to remove CV, so I don't think they have the philosophy of more map vision in mind.

IF I remember correctly I dont think riot wants to remove cv, just change it.

They said something akin to wanting to gut it. I don't remember the exact phrase used, though.
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c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
July 13 2011 05:01 GMT
#20864
On July 13 2011 13:37 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 13:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 13 2011 13:19 Craton wrote:
Riot also wants to remove CV, so I don't think they have the philosophy of more map vision in mind.

IF I remember correctly I dont think riot wants to remove cv, just change it.

They said something akin to wanting to gut it. I don't remember the exact phrase used, though.

It was Morello who said something to the effect of "We are nerfing CV into the ground" but I can't find the screenshot.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=813669

That thread was in response
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 13 2011 05:17 GMT
#20865
On July 13 2011 13:27 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 12:32 Southlight wrote:
On July 13 2011 08:23 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Finally got back, long day at work.

Replay for Southlight: This is a game of myself (Jarman) and my girlfriend (Kogmaw) dual queuing.

http://www.mediafire.com/?eqp08q1ji46i7ld


a bunch of long really good feedback

So from what I can gather, the gist of it is this: pressure by presence and threat, actually pressure things and get shit done, and have better reactions to creep pushes and vulnerable heroes.

I don't remember my route that game - generally I start at blue, did I not go there that game? Might have been doing something new. -_-

Thanks again.


You went blue -> wolf -> minigolem then all the way back to wraith and then all the way back up to top for a gank. Then you followed by wasting time attacking turret, then killed a few lane creep (stealing from your teammates both of whom were alive) and then proceeded to walk allllllllll the way across to kill the wolves before finally backing.

Your first Lizard was at like 20, which is somewhat mind-boggling.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 05:27:56
July 13 2011 05:25 GMT
#20866
On July 13 2011 14:17 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 13:27 HyperionDreamer wrote:
On July 13 2011 12:32 Southlight wrote:
On July 13 2011 08:23 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Finally got back, long day at work.

Replay for Southlight: This is a game of myself (Jarman) and my girlfriend (Kogmaw) dual queuing.

http://www.mediafire.com/?eqp08q1ji46i7ld


a bunch of long really good feedback

So from what I can gather, the gist of it is this: pressure by presence and threat, actually pressure things and get shit done, and have better reactions to creep pushes and vulnerable heroes.

I don't remember my route that game - generally I start at blue, did I not go there that game? Might have been doing something new. -_-

Thanks again.


You went blue -> wolf -> minigolem then all the way back to wraith and then all the way back up to top for a gank. Then you followed by wasting time attacking turret, then killed a few lane creep (stealing from your teammates both of whom were alive) and then proceeded to walk allllllllll the way across to kill the wolves before finally backing.

Your first Lizard was at like 20, which is somewhat mind-boggling.

That's weird, I'm normally way more efficient than that..... Was there a counter jungle or CV in the air before? A lot of the time I get nervous going for blue when there's someone chillin out near the buff or I have no guards, since my health goes pretty low if I don't get a leash. I think it generally drops below 100 since I don't have a ton of armor on my runepage - generally apen marks, armor yellows, flat mr glyphs, flad ad quints - bought those pretty early and didn't really find a need to change them up for jarman.

Regardless, I'll improve 100% from considering those things... The reason I pushed that tower after getting the double kill was that I thought with 3 full health champs we could take it down. I guess level 4 is way too early to take down a tower.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 13 2011 05:27 GMT
#20867
It's often not worth it to take the early tower, esp at higher levels, because you just open up the pushed lane to a gank. I usually ask junglers to not hit the tower if they succeed a gank and minions are hitting the tower :x

You got blue buff fine, you just didn't get red buff forever.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 13 2011 05:34 GMT
#20868
I need to get a bit more armor on my runepage or take more defensive masteries, since if i go blue - wolves - wraiths - red than I get way too low, wraiths are a bitch to get for me without waiting for my smite....
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 13 2011 05:35 GMT
#20869
You don't need to do consec, I'd have just gone back after the gank and done another round and ended Liz, then gone back to heal etc.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
July 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#20870
On July 13 2011 13:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Right now, the only counter to a late game oracles is to kill it, which means engaging in a fight that you may not want and diverting focus to get rid of it. Otherwise warding is impossible. Remove uncertainty by giving map vision, teams move more freely, the late game doenst drag on as much.

okay best idea ever: you put a bunch of wards close together ( like a LOT ) and hope that they don't come as 5 to spend time clearing them. hopefully its on like a support and the carries are like fuck this and leave to farm because they think they're cool. so you pick off the support ( getting rid of the oracles also ) and then you can 5v4!
:)
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 13 2011 05:39 GMT
#20871
ok, fair. thanks again.

in the words of mogwai, it's too tired-o'clock. im out. ^_^
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 13 2011 05:46 GMT
#20872
I think they should just put on a timer on wards like in DotA. This way you can have supports spamming 5+ wards per trip with every other person on the team with 1-2 every time. Wards are too easy to get. They should just put a stock in the shop, say 5, with each one on a 30-60 second cooldown or something.

Oracles is pretty darn strong though, put it on a tank or low priority target and you're guaranteed to have that oracles be very "worth it." They should put either A. a timer on it, or B. make it a buff like blue buff or red buff (it gets transferred to killer).
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 06:14:43
July 13 2011 06:14 GMT
#20873
On July 13 2011 12:01 Mogwai wrote:
I'm already on CLG and solomid

did it go black for anyone else? I think that was just you, but not sure =\.

Wait... You're SmashGizmo? mind = blown
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
July 13 2011 06:42 GMT
#20874
On July 13 2011 15:14 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 12:01 Mogwai wrote:
I'm already on CLG and solomid

did it go black for anyone else? I think that was just you, but not sure =\.

Wait... You're SmashGizmo? mind = blown

LOL
You can't milk those!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 13 2011 06:43 GMT
#20875
On July 13 2011 14:34 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I need to get a bit more armor on my runepage or take more defensive masteries, since if i go blue - wolves - wraiths - red than I get way too low, wraiths are a bitch to get for me without waiting for my smite....

Don't most Jungle Jarvans run 21 defense?
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 13 2011 07:20 GMT
#20876
On July 13 2011 15:14 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 12:01 Mogwai wrote:
I'm already on CLG and solomid

did it go black for anyone else? I think that was just you, but not sure =\.

Wait... You're SmashGizmo? mind = blown

huehuehue
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 13 2011 07:44 GMT
#20877
On July 13 2011 07:34 APurpleCow wrote:
I highly disagree with flat CDR over CDR/level. When I'm putting CDR runes on my champions, it's to close the gap and hit 40% CDR later in the game. Flat CDR isn't going to do that until I get like two CDR items, at which point CDR/level will have caught up.


On July 13 2011 07:50 APurpleCow wrote:
For each CDR glyph I don't need because I'm taking CDR/level instead, I can throw in an mr or mr/level glyph.

That's 2 glyphs you can free up. 3 MR or whatever that is at lvl 18 with MR/lvl. Compared to potentially having 40% CDR with just CDR boots and a Kindlegem or a Blue Elixier - WAY before you hit lvl 18 (which is the point when you will hit 6% CDR from runes since you squeeze 2 MR runes in).

If you don't have your 40% CDR build set up during midgame (again, WAY before you hit lvl 18), there's hardly a point in using runes for it.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 13 2011 08:34 GMT
#20878
On July 13 2011 14:01 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 13:37 Craton wrote:
On July 13 2011 13:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
On July 13 2011 13:19 Craton wrote:
Riot also wants to remove CV, so I don't think they have the philosophy of more map vision in mind.

IF I remember correctly I dont think riot wants to remove cv, just change it.

They said something akin to wanting to gut it. I don't remember the exact phrase used, though.

It was Morello who said something to the effect of "We are nerfing CV into the ground" but I can't find the screenshot.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=813669

That thread was in response

Think its there way of encouraging more people to ward. That and they don't like the fact that its standard for a support to get.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 13 2011 09:50 GMT
#20879
@ smash, maybe you can do a commentary of your game like loci did and upload them somewhere for those of us who can't catch your stream when it's on.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
July 13 2011 09:51 GMT
#20880
They could alter CV to only reveal a target location for half a second. That would reduce it's immense value for jungle teamfights.

It would still allow you to spot if the enemy team is doing dragon/baron, just not the incredible combat bonus that it currently provides by taking brushes and corners out of the equation.
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