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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 14:53:55
July 11 2011 14:53 GMT
#20581
I think he gets ruined by ranged AP heroes in lane, and by certain AD heroes though. Like he gets thrashed by Trist after a bit, I can't see Malz/Cass/etc. losing to him, and Turkey got thrashed by Mord after a bit (though a lot of that because he didn't rush Manamune I think, and also because of the "Gragas missi-" BOOM HEADSHOT).

Edit:
I did say he was pretty fucking strong before they buffed him though, just no one believed me :x 'S why I said he just needed a mana tweak and he'd be pretty retarded, but they did that and more, and now he's like zzzzzzzzzzzz.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 15:00:49
July 11 2011 15:00 GMT
#20582
I can just imagine the hell skillshot junglers have trying to gank Yorick.
DERP, SUPRISE MINION IN YOUR WAY!

I'm trying to get Yorick to work in the jungle first before I buy him.

PS: second, third, or w/e on Smash looking hella sad last night. Jebus.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2011 15:00 GMT
#20583
I just don't see how a ranged AP hero is going to do anything to him. He's gonna sit around in lane being a fuckface and throw a bunch of ghouls at the guy and zone them by using the extremely skillful spam-all-my-shit-in-random-directions tactic and then they'll lose at least in terms of cs. I think he should trash morde after more looking into it since he's just really dumb and overpowered in terms of damage output + sustainability atm, I don't actually see how Morde could keep up and even assuming he could, it seems like it would be a we-both-freefarm style lane rather than morde actually being able to accomplish anything.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 15:09:04
July 11 2011 15:07 GMT
#20584
Mord's a freefarm style against most ranged heroes that can't ping him out tbh, so not that surprising there.

It's similar to how Cass/Malz can ping WW out of lane, their sustain and burst is too high for Yorick IMO, although in Malz case it really is a matter of draining the fuck out of Yorick with that E. I would imagine good sustain heroes like Cho can also eat up Yorick.

Jarv isn't really a sustain laner though so in that sense against that much barrage it's just a bad matchup :/

Edit:
Worth noting that Yorick's E (the life gain) only returns 80 HP at max level without AD items, and has 100% life steal but only does 33% of Yorick's AD, so it actually gives relatively low life return.
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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
July 11 2011 15:09 GMT
#20585
Too much theorycraft, not enough testing.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2011 15:12 GMT
#20586
well, Cass is a whole nother level of bitch ass crazy damage output in lane, but I honestly never ran into a Malz that pinged my WW out of lane. Cass probably ruins everyone atm, maybe I should just learn her.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 11 2011 15:12 GMT
#20587
I'm just saying, pre-nerf lanewick and current lanedyr are far more obnoxious to lane against as a hero that outranges Yorick, because their sustain is significantly better. IMO any hero that can deal with lanewick/lanedyr can crush Yorick. Yorick will slam heroes that can't far harder because he has 600 range on his skills.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 11 2011 15:14 GMT
#20588
On July 12 2011 00:12 Mogwai wrote:
well, Cass is a whole nother level of bitch ass crazy damage output in lane, but I honestly never ran into a Malz that pinged my WW out of lane. Cass probably ruins everyone atm, maybe I should just learn her.


Cass is just hilar. For the longest time, no one knew how to play her but now I'd put her in top 3 AP solos.

It's like Cass, Brand, Malz. Maybe Rumble and Gragas round out the top 5.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2011 15:15 GMT
#20589
On July 12 2011 00:12 Southlight wrote:
I'm just saying, pre-nerf lanewick and current lanedyr are far more obnoxious to lane against as a hero that outranges Yorick, because their sustain is significantly better. IMO any hero that can deal with lanewick/lanedyr can crush Yorick. Yorick will slam heroes that can't far harder because he has 600 range on his skills.

but part of so many heroes who beat lanewick/udyr is the hitting them from 600 range and then running away part. So like, as Teemo, he fuckstarts lanewick's face by just shooting him and running away because you literally have to have down's syndrome to get within 300 range of him post level 2. But with yorick, you're gonna eat a ton of ghouls to your face if you try that shit.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 11 2011 15:16 GMT
#20590
Yorick's laning may be strong, but he seems fairly useless in team fights unless you have a fed/farmed ranged carry. I've yet to see any Yorick be remotely successful past the laning phase without a farmed ranged carry to ult.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 15:29:53
July 11 2011 15:18 GMT
#20591
But his ghouls don't really heal enough to deal with it. As I said, E only heals 87 at max level without AD items, while doing significantly less damage than AP heroes.

Magic Damage: 55 / 85 / 115 / 145 / 175 (+1.0 per bonus attack damage)

W's scale is

Magic Damage: 60 / 95 / 130 / 165 / 200 (+0.8 per bonus attack damage)

For my part he seems more like an anti-tankyDPS-in-lane, provided his mana can hold up, which is why I mentioned in my rant last week that a mana cost buff was all he needed.

Edit:
The scaling is incidentally why I said he was previously crippled by manacosts and the need to rush Tears/Manamune, which don't really help his early game beyond being able to spam shit.

This man is hilarious duo lane with Soraka though. GHOUL SPAM ALL DAY EVERY DAY PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEW.

Edit:
On July 12 2011 00:16 Seuss wrote:
Yorick's laning may be strong, but he seems fairly useless in team fights unless you have a fed/farmed ranged carry. I've yet to see any Yorick be remotely successful past the laning phase without a farmed ranged carry to ult.


He's a melee DPS, think Yi/Trynd/Shaco... when he's farmed he's like unbeatable 1v1 for any hero esp because his ult gives like 100% damage increase :/
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 16:00:11
July 11 2011 15:51 GMT
#20592
On July 11 2011 06:41 r33k wrote:
What's Salce's background anyways? I remember the name salcepulse from somewhere, might be WoW might be GW...


I remember a Salce from Arenajunkies, US priest with a billion glad titles and a few rank 1s I think, was always a top player in his realmpool

btw which teams are going to gamescon now? Pretty confusing. National ESL site says this

6 Invitees
4 Qualification slots at Go4LoL - July 3rd 2011
4 Qualification slots at Go4LoL - July 10th 2011
2 IEM slots at American Final - July 16th - 17th 2011

So all these teams will play a big qualifier for 2 slots on july 16-17th or what?
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
July 11 2011 15:57 GMT
#20593
champs like ww/udyr really break the game for me. Here are 2 champs that a monkey can play well at 2400 elo. All you do is just spam your abilities and stay at full hp. Doesn't that go against riots ANTI-FUN design principles?

You can be the superior player in every regard, but if the guy happend to pick udyr. You can outplay him all you want, but the fact remains that he picked a champion where skill is a non-factor. You just PLAY the champion and you look like a god.

Never seen the game as broken as it is now.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 11 2011 16:06 GMT
#20594
On July 12 2011 00:57 Senx wrote:
champs like ww/udyr really break the game for me. Here are 2 champs that a monkey can play well at 2400 elo. All you do is just spam your abilities and stay at full hp. Doesn't that go against riots ANTI-FUN design principles?

You can be the superior player in every regard, but if the guy happend to pick udyr. You can outplay him all you want, but the fact remains that he picked a champion where skill is a non-factor. You just PLAY the champion and you look like a god.

Never seen the game as broken as it is now.

Show us some footage of an incredibly good player outplaying you and still losing to you while you play ww/udyr.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
July 11 2011 16:08 GMT
#20595
It's not like Riot intentionally designed these champs to be broken lane gods when they made them, for a really long time they where only junglers but people experimented and discovered broken shit, that's just a normal process in any game as complex as LoL. Im not saying they shouldn't nerf them but I don't think nerfing any new trend that is coming up within 3 weeks is good for the game.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 11 2011 16:08 GMT
#20596
cass is way overrated imo, doesnt deserve all this underrated/amazing laning that everyone says about her. now that more people play her and people understand her abilities, you just have to walk in weird ways similar to playing vs urgot and she cant do shit. If you know you are against cass just open boots in lane, and after laning she really isnt that big of a threat. very close range skills on a squishy mage with no escapes when pretty much everyone playable in the game right now has a gap closer...dont really see how she wins games. you might get good kda but that isnt everything
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TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
July 11 2011 16:10 GMT
#20597
Can some one clue me in on cass? I've still never seen anyone play her decently.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 11 2011 16:11 GMT
#20598
On July 12 2011 01:10 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Can some one clue me in on cass? I've still never seen anyone play her decently.


She's like Urgot, only her CD on her missile is faster (0.5 if landed).
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 16:13:12
July 11 2011 16:12 GMT
#20599
Its the fact that you can go eat dinner while playing udyr and not risk dying to anything is my main concern, most champs have to take risks to play aggressive/push, ie they can be punished for it. Udyr just does whatever the fuck he wants and lives or he needs the entire enemy team to be on his nuts and that is already a waste of time if enemy team is smart.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
July 11 2011 16:17 GMT
#20600
You can actually be a complete monkey and free farm on a champ like Corki vs lane Udyr, which in theory would put you at an advantage late-game. Having said that Udyr is just stupid in lane and they need to nerf the interaction between turtle and wriggles.

There are a few champions that give warwick trouble, specifically pushers and strong 1-4 champs. The problem is a lot of this can be negated by a jungler. I thought they would nerf him by increasing the mana cost of his Q in the earlier levels so that he just wouldn't be viable in lane...instead they nerfed his lategame which doesn't solve the solo q problem at least.
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