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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 01:25:36
October 20 2016 01:21 GMT
#61
On October 18 2016 01:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I think that I haven't lost a game against Vikings with new Butcher yet. You gain meat so fast if you keep rotating and gaining pick offs from Vikings, or you can even just pressure one lane and call for 1 mate to help you kill the Viking. Literally every game against Rexxar and Vikings I keep finishing my quest like 2 minutes earlier. Rexxar always gives you 10 meat stacks unless Misha is already dead.

And then since you usually get Abattoir, after you finish the quest early you snowball out of control with at least 80-100 damage just from Abattoir. You keep deleting everything.


As a Vikings main, I am not afraid of Butcher players at all. Butcher has no real way to lock down Vikings long enough to kill them and if he tries he's going to be exposing himself a lot to my teammates later on and if he's chasing them around on his own he isn't contributing to helping his teammates out with objectives.

Butcher doesn't scare me. Zeratul, Samuro and Falstad scare me because they can follow me around all over the map and it's hard for me to keep track of where they are.

Kael'Thas and Li Ming scare me because they can vaporize all of them in a breath and Li Ming can then turn around and wipe my team out.

the new Nova scares me because she has bribe and can fuck up my merc camp roaming very easily.

But butcher? Butcher doesn't scare me at all.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 02:02:39
October 20 2016 02:01 GMT
#62
As a butcher player, I would never chase a viking. Its pointless. GOGOGO gives absurd amount of speed. Invul is annoying too. If they have Vikings that means they have 1 less body to prevent me to getting my meat. I prefer 4v4 battle over 5v5.

Btw vikings main enemy is Tracer imo. Free Untouchable stacks, GOGOGO doesn't stop her...
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 07:42:19
October 20 2016 07:41 GMT
#63
the butcher has the highest winrate vs tlv out of all heroes in the game
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
October 20 2016 08:14 GMT
#64
65% winrate now for samuro, it has gone down a bit.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 20 2016 08:17 GMT
#65
On October 20 2016 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
the butcher has the highest winrate vs tlv out of all heroes in the game

Yeah, people don't realize this. It's not the point about his kill potential, because he is weaker than before in that regard, but the fact that he gains A LOT more than other heroes against Vikings and Rexxar. I will gank with a team mate, and make sure I get as much Viking kills as I can. Also, you can kill Vikings alone if you are smart enough and watch mini-map and attack one of the VIkings when other Vikings are in trouble as well, you usually need 2-3 hits and then even if he realizes and use GoGoGo, you can charge and get the kill(Olaf might get away, he is too fat). Later in the game, every Viking kill is 5 more damage, and with completed quest it is just so easy to farm them.

I've been following win rates every week on hotslogs(yeah it's not the best way to tell since a lot of replays don't get uploaded but it's what we got), and since the Butcher rework Vikings just kept falling down in win rate while Butcher went up. Before that Vikings were always in top 5, now they are not even in top 20(!), and Butcher was on 3rd place yesterday.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
October 20 2016 10:16 GMT
#66
On October 20 2016 17:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
the butcher has the highest winrate vs tlv out of all heroes in the game

Yeah, people don't realize this. It's not the point about his kill potential, because he is weaker than before in that regard, but the fact that he gains A LOT more than other heroes against Vikings and Rexxar. I will gank with a team mate, and make sure I get as much Viking kills as I can. Also, you can kill Vikings alone if you are smart enough and watch mini-map and attack one of the VIkings when other Vikings are in trouble as well, you usually need 2-3 hits and then even if he realizes and use GoGoGo, you can charge and get the kill(Olaf might get away, he is too fat). Later in the game, every Viking kill is 5 more damage, and with completed quest it is just so easy to farm them.

I've been following win rates every week on hotslogs(yeah it's not the best way to tell since a lot of replays don't get uploaded but it's what we got), and since the Butcher rework Vikings just kept falling down in win rate while Butcher went up. Before that Vikings were always in top 5, now they are not even in top 20(!), and Butcher was on 3rd place yesterday.


Well Vikings' winrate took a big nosedive during the Machines of War event because several of their best maps were taken out of the pool.

Garden of Terror, Sun Temple and Infernal Shrines were replaced with Braxis Holdout and Warhead Junction as well as a greater percentage of games played on Battlefield of Eternity, Dragon Shire and Tomb of the Spider Queen. That's going to hurt viking winrates too IF the players were still picking them on it.

The Vikings are IMO one of the most map dependent heroes in the game, when you take 3 of their best maps away for a long period of time, their winrate is going to suffer for it.

Now that the event is over, let's see if it climbs back up again.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 10:47:19
October 20 2016 10:33 GMT
#67
Reason not to look at winrates is because it can be out of context ALOT, also replays missing but thats not the main factor.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
October 20 2016 12:22 GMT
#68
Those rage-inducing wc3 days are back? wtf

Taste uh my blade
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
October 20 2016 14:03 GMT
#69
Warhead Junction game breaking Bribe bug
Bosses can be bribed on the map.

Any hero's bribe can do it.

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Hopefully gets hot fixed soon.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
October 20 2016 15:59 GMT
#70
Well...now it's even more stupid to waste nukes on those things!
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 20 2016 16:03 GMT
#71
It is funny, that bug was there in PTR before the map got released, then it got fixed, and then after the Samuro patch it is back again.

Until it is fixed, Vikings are like auto-win on that map.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 16:07:24
October 20 2016 16:05 GMT
#72
I can only imagine the bosses spawning the first time and the Vikings instantly capping both at the same time.
The enemy team suddenly seeing double boss ping on the minimap. Quite gamebreaking.

Oh, and it's Viking free week. Well.....
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
October 20 2016 20:11 GMT
#73
Not impressed by the hero samuro so far. Anyone can point out what's OP about him?
1. Might be bad drafts for him that ive seen. Everytime i picked him i got like BW healer against extreme stun/burst composition.
2.I and others might suck with him.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
October 20 2016 21:14 GMT
#74
He's pretty hard to kill if he knows how to use Mirror Image and Windwalk properly.
Unless you have a way to detect his images, he can still win a fight at like 30% health by just using his Mirror Image and attacking. You won't have time to figure out which one is real and he can use the time to Windwalk or wait for it to come off cooldown. His single target damage and body blocking is also very strong and I don't think many heroes can really duel him.

As with Illidan, he dies to a lot of CC but is a monster when CC is lacking and he has a healer to keep him going.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 22:58:12
October 20 2016 22:48 GMT
#75
On October 20 2016 23:03 karazax wrote:
Warhead Junction game breaking Bribe bug
Bosses can be bribed on the map.

Any hero's bribe can do it.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Hopefully gets hot fixed soon.


Hotfix rolled out now for this. Also Blizzard Voice Chat is live for battle.net, but not an in game option for HOTS yet. It can be used with friends, but not with random team mates at this time.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
October 21 2016 04:59 GMT
#76
Exploring Samuro in Trymode

by SgtFlexxxBugs:

Heyo! I've been testing some stuff in Try mode as there seems to be some misconception about some abilities and other stuff that I wasn't sure about, so I went into try mode for about half an hour testing some stuff

Here's some stuff copied from my notepad:



Q Location is Random

example: http://i.imgur.com/2xvqQTF.png



Q (and switching clones with illusion master) can be used to disjoint (Removes any incoming projectiles, slows, Roots, DoT Effects)

It is essentially an altered version of cleanse.

Gfycat example: https://gfycat.com/RadiantLonelyDassierat

Gfycat example: https://gfycat.com/PortlyOrganicIraniangroundjay



Q does not remove duration abilities (Ex: some abilities like Lightning Rod, Bone Prison, Probably overkill as well, Drain Hope)

Gfycat example: https://gfycat.com/DimSomeAlligator

gfycat of summon targeting w/ illusion master: https://gfycat.com/SneakyMeaslyBuck



Q can be used to mitigate all damage for a very short window (Disappear from battleground completely)

Gfycat example: https://gfycat.com/YawningCloseKissingbug

gfycat example of invuln frames w/ illusion master: https://gfycat.com/MaleElegantKingfisher (Makes you and all clones invulnerable for a short period)



While poison is applied, Samuro is forced out of stealth after the 1 second window if there's any left applied still.

gfycat example: https://gfycat.com/BaggySelfishHapuka



Illusions DO NOT soak Exp, only if they last hit (like summons).



Summons originally targeted on Samuro will still target the real samuro after he has used his Q



Using E (With teleport) will remove all incoming projectiles.



Illusions count as heroes (you can stack quest talents off of them)



Advancing Strikes and Windwalk DO NOT stack.



Illusions Target Priority is: Nearest Target

EDIT: Further Findings: Issueing an attack command RIGHT AFTER you Q will issue an attack command for the illusions. The illusions will go to the target, attack once, and then attack the nearest target (which can still be the original target if its still the closest target).

gfycat example: Targeting mercs: https://gfycat.com/SinfulLeftAmericanmarten

gfycat example: Targeting Arthas: https://gfycat.com/RequiredEcstaticBluegill



Bladestorm does 5 ticks (tick dmg = tooltipdmg/5) per second for a total of 20 ticks



Revealing Samuro removes his Windwalk movement speed bonus



Auriel gains energy from Samuro's clones even if not crowned directly

gfycat example: https://gfycat.com/PracticalBruisedCleanerwrasse



If you dive Samuro right as he clones, you will end up diving the real one



If you target the real samuro, and then he clones (Q's), your hero will still be targeting the real samuro.



Switching to an illusion (with illusion master) replenishes the illusions health to your current health

Using Q near a wall has a chance of placing yourself or an illusion on the other side. Useful when trying to escape, especially with illusion master, but can also get you killed if you get placed on the inside of a fort or keep.



MAJOR FIND: Illusion master has the same exact benefits of casting Q, a self cleanse being one of them in this case, but on a 5s CD! This is actually really powerful.



Working on Testing more

Use this knowledge when using and facing Samuro! Some of this is very powerful to know!

Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 21 2016 11:14 GMT
#77
illusions soak xp if they last hit the minions


yep samuro gonna be brokener than vikings on pro level
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 12:04:22
October 21 2016 11:45 GMT
#78
On October 21 2016 13:59 karazax wrote:
Exploring Samuro in Trymode

by SgtFlexxxBugs:

If you target the real samuro, and then he clones (Q's), your hero will still be targeting the real samuro.




I think this is not true. I read it an thought cool I just rightklick him then.
I maintained my rightklick but it turned out to be a copy.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
October 21 2016 12:19 GMT
#79
Sreyz gives his first impressions on Samuro and the best ways to counter him:


DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
October 22 2016 03:32 GMT
#80
Yay you can exit out of the MVP/ voting screen post-game now!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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