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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1397 Posts
March 22 2025 18:29 GMT
#1
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7760 Posts
March 22 2025 23:17 GMT
#2
Thank you the video jinjin! Flash mentioned an argument between iloveoov and H.O.T. Forever during a PL final... anyone know what was said?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51397 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-22 23:42:19
March 22 2025 23:37 GMT
#3
that 10-11 season pissed me off because they made EVERY match a bo7, essentially taking out the luster of the playoffs and rewarding the high end teams that had incredible depth (so, kt and skt). i think around this time i took a step back from watching every night because 99% of the games were boring as fuck macro snoozefests and had random kids who'd never qualify for a starleague playing in them. proleague fatigue was a genuine thing.

there was also the season where they decided that having a bo3 grand final was a good idea; first day at gwangahli was packed to the rafters and the second day was virtually empty. i did enjoy the super ace concept though for the playoff games.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1496 Posts
March 23 2025 09:43 GMT
#4
Thanks for the translation! Wasn't it Canata instead of Catana? Also, in what year CJ won vs OZ with that famous reverse all kill from SkyHigh?
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7762 Posts
March 23 2025 09:58 GMT
#5
Thank you!

Yeah, Canata.. I remember Canata because he had a positive record vs my baby
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SpaNiarD
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Spain345 Posts
March 23 2025 12:23 GMT
#6
I'm pretty sure it was Canata. I took a screenshot back in the days

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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1496 Posts
March 23 2025 14:14 GMT
#7
On March 23 2025 21:23 SpaNiarD wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was Canata. I took a screenshot back in the days

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You waited 20 years for the right moment to share it
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8075 Posts
March 23 2025 15:22 GMT
#8
I forgot how PL used to have 2v2 matches. Most of them were not that fun to watch, but there were also some totally awesome games. Would be cool to watch some spon-match 2v2s between current pros (IE not just funsies UMS 2v2 etc).

2v2 is a really different skillset than 1v1 and removing it really screwed up some teams and players IIRC.
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2031 Posts
March 23 2025 18:20 GMT
#9
There is plenty of 2v2 at Korea but mostly on hunter/fastest maps. Shame they don’t really play on regular maps.
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Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1010 Posts
March 23 2025 21:41 GMT
#10
Canata recently appeared in the T1 20th Anniversary Documentary btw which everyone of course should watch

Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8075 Posts
March 24 2025 21:27 GMT
#11
Wasn't canata's nickname like "the sleepy terran" or something because his games were always so long and drawn out? lol
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66145 Posts
March 25 2025 06:24 GMT
#12
On March 24 2025 00:22 Ideas wrote:
I forgot how PL used to have 2v2 matches. Most of them were not that fun to watch, but there were also some totally awesome games. Would be cool to watch some spon-match 2v2s between current pros (IE not just funsies UMS 2v2 etc).

2v2 is a really different skillset than 1v1 and removing it really screwed up some teams and players IIRC.

2v2 was really interesting on certain maps like Iron Curtain, but maps like DMZ fucked it up lol
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19205 Posts
March 25 2025 11:14 GMT
#13
On March 24 2025 00:22 Ideas wrote:
I forgot how PL used to have 2v2 matches. Most of them were not that fun to watch, but there were also some totally awesome games. Would be cool to watch some spon-match 2v2s between current pros (IE not just funsies UMS 2v2 etc).

2v2 is a really different skillset than 1v1 and removing it really screwed up some teams and players IIRC.

I love how top 2v2 player ZergBong became Nestea and dominated SC2 as an old man.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
March 25 2025 13:50 GMT
#14
On March 23 2025 08:17 Vasoline73 wrote:
Thank you the video jinjin! Flash mentioned an argument between iloveoov and H.O.T. Forever during a PL final... anyone know what was said?


Yep, during the 09-10 finals, there was an interview of the coaches and iloveoov and HOTForever.

iloveoov basically said: I haven't seen all 50 games, but out of the games I have watched, when Flash is slotted to play in the 4th game, they (KT) lose 3-0. If Flash is slotted to play within the first 3 games, they lose 3-1. Because that's the trend that I've witnessed, I thought "Flash is the only one who wins". So while KT may be strong in a best-of-5, today's best-of-7 format means Flash's strength is limited to 1/6 of his total impact. So, our team should sufficiently, actually no, EASILY, beat KT today.

iloveoov also says that he admits Flash is very strong and currently ranked #1. He believes that Fantasy should be able to set Flash as his goal and reel him in, just like he was able to do the same to NaDa (the #1 in 2003-2004).

H.O.T.Forever says: I'm reminded of 6 years ago, when Boxer was in tears (I think referring to 2004 SKY Proleague R1 where Boxer lost in the deciding 4th match). I think that same result will happen here. And iloveoov said he didn't watch all the games, but isn't it the duty of the coaching staff to watch all the games and study them? Also, you must have not watched your own game, where Flash didn't appear in the 5th round and still beat SKT. You didn't see that match??

iloveoov: KT has been very lucky to make it to the finals on the back of Flash. They haven't experienced pre-playoff (pre-6th round) matches before. They're completely ignoring the data.

H.O.T.Forever: Aren't the pre-playoff matches for shitty teams? We're #1, and even if we wanted to participate in the pre-playoffs, we couldn't. You might say that you have built up a "force" by beating shitty teams, but nah - we've stayed in this exact spot. #1.

Flash: What they're saying isn't negative towards me, but it is negative towards my team. They seem to think KT will definitely lose. I have no thoughts of losing. And my teammates have practiced very hard. We think that SK's skill isn't as good as the previous year's, so we think we will win today.

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